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Ysabelle nKataros
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.17 22:21:00 -
[31]
I don't think it really matters whether or not he's guilty or innocent. The fact is, if you, in everything you do, act in a fashion that is trustworthy and honest, if you keep your word and place responsibility ahead of privileges, you will be trusted.
If by design or accident you disguise your intentions, mislead your fellows and desire privileges before accepting the responsibilities, you will be mistrusted.
If the evidence presented here is true, then Calculon must be, if not guilty as hell, then at the least deserving of suspicion. Well done and good luck to you Boliknar.
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s4xon
Flashman Services
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:11:00 -
[32]
Turf,
As a very quick response. I am certain esri and calculon are not one and the same. But I am positive Esri's position within our corp was not done with best intentions , and was in some way contrived. To qualify this somewhat, i was told today by the guys on TS that one person had actually heard esri ONCE on ts. and .... to quote... "it was wierd, like he/she was using a voice changer, but it was explained he/she had a bad connection" ...
I have quite a bit more circumstantial evidence that keeps pointing me in the same direction .. and nothing that steers me away from it.
So yes , it would be nice to have proof , but in the abscence of any likelihood of ever having proof , i will go with an overwhelming mound of circumstantial evidence and coincidental events that would give me about as good a chance of winning the lottery if they were all unfounded.
And like someone just so rightly put. The proof of guilt is irrelivent.
If many of your peers see you as untrustworthy ... then regardless of the whys and wherefores .... you must be doing something wrong or be **** unlucky.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.18 00:13:00 -
[33]
Never trust a person named after an ancient entertainment robot.
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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Unreal
Gallente
Black Sun Consortium
Red Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.18 01:53:00 -
[34]
He actually never watched Futurama...long story behind how he got his name. I don't remember it so you would have to ask him yourself.
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Elisabeth Caine
Vengeance Factor
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Posted - 2006.11.18 02:08:00 -
[35]
The accusation of a member of this community in attempts to discredit or embarrass him MUST be accompanied by irrefutable proof, including screenshots, in order to be considered a valid complaint. Making assumptions and posting them without merit is **** poor.
You call this man a thief, and smear his name. Our sources say otherwise. If you want to know who the thief is, look closer, and deeper. It's not who you think it is.
Elisabeth Caine
Co-CEO, Vengeance Factor.
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Tetovo
Caldari
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.18 03:44:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Elisabeth Caine
The accusation of a member of this community in attempts to discredit or embarrass him MUST be accompanied by irrefutable proof, including screenshots, in order to be considered a valid complaint. Making assumptions and posting them without merit is **** poor.
You call this man a thief, and smear his name. Our sources say otherwise. If you want to know who the thief is, look closer, and deeper. It's not who you think it is.
Elisabeth Caine
Co-CEO, Vengeance Factor.
If your sources say otherwise where is their irrefutable proof? Not to say TSA doesn't need proof, they certainly do. However, to claim you know who the real thief is and discredit their charge on the basis of no 'irrefutable' proof while providing none yourself...kind of contradictory isn't it?
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Elisabeth Caine
Vengeance Factor
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Posted - 2006.11.18 03:48:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Tetovo
Originally by: Elisabeth Caine
The accusation of a member of this community in attempts to discredit or embarrass him MUST be accompanied by irrefutable proof, including screenshots, in order to be considered a valid complaint. Making assumptions and posting them without merit is **** poor.
You call this man a thief, and smear his name. Our sources say otherwise. If you want to know who the thief is, look closer, and deeper. It's not who you think it is.
Elisabeth Caine
Co-CEO, Vengeance Factor.
If your sources say otherwise where is their irrefutable proof? Not to say TSA doesn't need proof, they certainly do. However, to claim you know who the real thief is and discredit their charge on the basis of no 'irrefutable' proof while providing none yourself...kind of contradictory isn't it?
Not really since I am neither naming a thief, nor claiming irrefutable proof.
Good Day
Elisabeth.
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Tetovo
Caldari
Art of War
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.18 03:52:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Tetovo on 18/11/2006 03:52:11
Originally by: Elisabeth Caine
Originally by: Tetovo
Originally by: Elisabeth Caine
The accusation of a member of this community in attempts to discredit or embarrass him MUST be accompanied by irrefutable proof, including screenshots, in order to be considered a valid complaint. Making assumptions and posting them without merit is **** poor.
You call this man a thief, and smear his name. Our sources say otherwise. If you want to know who the thief is, look closer, and deeper. It's not who you think it is.
Elisabeth Caine
Co-CEO, Vengeance Factor.
If your sources say otherwise where is their irrefutable proof? Not to say TSA doesn't need proof, they certainly do. However, to claim you know who the real thief is and discredit their charge on the basis of no 'irrefutable' proof while providing none yourself...kind of contradictory isn't it?
Not really since I am neither naming a thief, nor claiming irrefutable proof.
Good Day
Elisabeth.
You should really go into law. Also of all the corp thief threads I have read, not one has had screenshots. Guess there are no thiefs in eve?
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Carcusian
Flashman Services
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.18 04:19:00 -
[39]
LOL. This coming from an obvious alt from an alt corp. You, your corp's founder, and your corp's CEO all have both 0.0 secstats, and histories long enough to make that rather odd and questionable. That said, post with your main.
In any case, this thread is hardly an attempt to embarrass or discredit Calc. It's an attempt to record certain personal histories that range over months to years. That they happen to lead toward the painting of a certain picture is neither the fault nor motive of the posters. That you feel compelled to say what you have makes you: a) noob, so naive to this game, so somewhat excusable, or b) something else altogether.
What you ask for, "irrefutable proof," is in incidents like these extraordinarily difficult to obtain. It's not like you can dust a dread for fingerprints, or take DNA samples from the corp hanger door. Especially if you're dealing with a person bright enough, and well-versed enough with the game mechanics of Eve, to cover their tracks (which often is true of the player types in this game). A game like Eve is precisely based on player relationships. I could never acquire a screenshot of you in the act of stealing anything... if I'm not there in the first place.
Anyone who has played this game long enough knows exactly what I'm getting at, here. The ground rules you want to use in order to determine "guilt" are impossibly fantastic, and totally irrelevant, in fact. You'd have us play this issue out like some sort of koan. Like, "If a tree falls and nobody is there to hear it, does it scream?" That sort of question is designed to move your gaze from what's important to what's irrelevant. <Insert there is no spoon reference from "The Matrix" here, YEAH i know, i had to go there lol.)
Anyways. Quote your sources if you feel so compelled to make an argument here. I am easily tired of waxing philosophic, and everyone BUT you has provided either first hand experience, or evidence of a veteran player's wisdom.
Cheerios and milk. All that jazz.
carc
Originally by: Elisabeth Caine
The accusation of a member of this community in attempts to discredit or embarrass him MUST be accompanied by irrefutable proof, including screenshots, in order to be considered a valid complaint. Making assumptions and posting them without merit is **** poor.
You call this man a thief, and smear his name. Our sources say otherwise. If you want to know who the thief is, look closer, and deeper. It's not who you think it is.
Elisabeth Caine
Co-CEO, Vengeance Factor.
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Elisabeth Caine
Vengeance Factor
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Posted - 2006.11.18 05:01:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Carcusian
LOL. This coming from an obvious alt from an alt corp. You, your corp's founder, and your corp's CEO all have both 0.0 secstats, and histories long enough to make that rather odd and questionable. That said, post with your main.
In any case, this thread is hardly an attempt to embarrass or discredit Calc. It's an attempt to record certain personal histories that range over months to years. That they happen to lead toward the painting of a certain picture is neither the fault nor motive of the posters. That you feel compelled to say what you have makes you: a) noob, so naive to this game, so somewhat excusable, or b) something else altogether.
What you ask for, "irrefutable proof," is in incidents like these extraordinarily difficult to obtain. It's not like you can dust a dread for fingerprints, or take DNA samples from the corp hanger door. Especially if you're dealing with a person bright enough, and well-versed enough with the game mechanics of Eve, to cover their tracks (which often is true of the player types in this game). A game like Eve is precisely based on player relationships. I could never acquire a screenshot of you in the act of stealing anything... if I'm not there in the first place.
Anyone who has played this game long enough knows exactly what I'm getting at, here. The ground rules you want to use in order to determine "guilt" are impossibly fantastic, and totally irrelevant, in fact. You'd have us play this issue out like some sort of koan. Like, "If a tree falls and nobody is there to hear it, does it scream?" That sort of question is designed to move your gaze from what's important to what's irrelevant. <Insert there is no spoon reference from "The Matrix" here, YEAH i know, i had to go there lol.)
Anyways. Quote your sources if you feel so compelled to make an argument here. I am easily tired of waxing philosophic, and everyone BUT you has provided either first hand experience, or evidence of a veteran player's wisdom.
Cheerios and milk. All that jazz.
carc
Originally by: Elisabeth Caine
The accusation of a member of this community in attempts to discredit or embarrass him MUST be accompanied by irrefutable proof, including screenshots, in order to be considered a valid complaint. Making assumptions and posting them without merit is **** poor.
You call this man a thief, and smear his name. Our sources say otherwise. If you want to know who the thief is, look closer, and deeper. It's not who you think it is.
Elisabeth Caine
Co-CEO, Vengeance Factor.
Actually, you have no idea my dear ;)
Cheers and kisses
Elisabeth.
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Carcusian
Flashman Services
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.18 06:25:00 -
[41]
Here's a big glass of mEh to go with your large fries. I won't respond to you anymore. :)
You got to bring more to this discussion than innuendo, platitudes, and provocative nothingness.
so long. o/
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xenodia
Gallente
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.18 06:43:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Grendel X
irrelevant blog entry about "operation Nyarr"
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I was aware of the plan I believe this blog refers to some time ago. Cal tried to recruit me for it. It had absolutely nothing to do with a corp theft. It was a plan about the rebirth of the Red Horizon alliance, with a change of direction and purpose. I'll let Cal elaborate on that if he feels like it, but suffice it to say it had nothing to do with an elaborate plot to steal a dread he could just as easily have bought outright with much less time and effort.
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GonzoWCS
The Shadow Order
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.20 14:20:00 -
[43]
As Director of the Industrial Engineering Group for TSO I wanted to post here to say that the facts as posted by Boliknar are accurate. I also wanted to say that although this was a temporary setback The Shadow Order will continue to grow as a team.
That said our actions will continue to be honorable and true both to our friends and our enemies.
Salute!
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Adame Matriana
Acheron Vanguard Armada
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.21 06:16:00 -
[44]
Wow... So, I just recieved this, figured I better make it public knowledge and make my response public. It was actually requested of me that I do so.
Originally by: Jahnweh
2006.11.21 02:11
Ambassador Adame Matriana:
I have been instructed to deliver our Terms to The Shadow Ascension (TSA) on behalf of the Black Sun Consortium (BSC) and Red Horizon (RH), which are as follows:
1. TSA will retract their statements accusing Calculon of being a corporate thief on all forums where they have posted such accusations.
2. TSA will compose an apology for unjustly accusing Calculon of being a corporate thief on all forums where such accusations were posted.
3. TSA will cease and desist all slanderous comments about Calculon under penalty of war.
4. TSA will begin payment of ISK 200,000,000 per month for residence in the BSC Operational Area, which includes the systems of Otosela, Tasti, Akkio, Uemon and Paala.
Failure to comply with these terms will result in continued war operations against all TSA targets at all locations.
Compliance with Terms 1 through 3 but not Term 4 will result in continued war operations against TSA until it removes itself from the Operational Area or pays the designated fees.
Compliance with all terms will result in a discontinuation of the war, positive standings, and protection according to BSC policy while within the Operational Area.
Please direct any questions and responses to myself at your convenience.
Yours,
Jahnweh
I think the general consensus is. ROTFLMAO or something like that. Sorry to burst your bubble Janweh, but we're not going to let a couple lost ships ruin our day. All I have to say is fight us wing/squad/fleet style, toe to toe, blow for blow. Your randomly hunting single targets in groups of 2 or 3 is kind of funny. Yet when we are out hunting you 10-15 to 5 (same odds) you seem to run. So, your 14 vs 14 of us. Slug fest... you seem to have something to prove, we don't...
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Adame Matriana
Acheron Vanguard Armada
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.21 06:36:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Adame Matriana on 21/11/2006 06:39:49
Now, I would like to actually take my time and address each issue, now that you know the feelings of the Alliance.
1. TSA will retract their statements accusing Calculon of being a corporate thief on all forums where they have posted such accusations.
-Why would we retract any statements made? We made them based on evidence that was gathered throughout his stay with us and it poses a strong case against him. It's not like we made any of it up, infact numerous people on this thread have already posted similar encounters with calc as well as character reviews from 3rd parties. Also, why try to force us to retract statements? One of our Alliance mates put it best "Are you going to beat us up and make us like you?" That's just ludicrous.
2. TSA will compose an apology for unjustly accusing Calculon of being a corporate thief on all forums where such accusations were posted.
-Again, would go against what we stand for to apologize for something that we believe to be true. We're not in the business of lieing and deciet.
3. TSA will cease and desist all slanderous comments about Calculon under penalty of war.
-Slanderous comments? Well, if in game, someone stole something from you, or bested you in some way, or even screwed you over and stabbed you in the back would you not call him names? I mean it's only human nature to retaliate with words.
4. TSA will begin payment of ISK 200,000,000 per month for residence in the BSC Operational Area, which includes the systems of Otosela, Tasti, Akkio, Uemon and Paala.
- Pay you to live in space that's not owned by you, never will be owned by you, and is generally populated with our friends? That's the most pompous statement or request out of this whole thing. Again, just down right stupid to request of someone, and to request such a thing from an Alliance 45 times your size almost sounds like a joke (Hence the laughter)
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Kraknall
Minmatar
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.21 08:20:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Kraknall on 21/11/2006 08:21:38
For the love of Gawd....
What makes these people in BSUN think *they* can dictate terms to TSA? Because they blow up the odd Rifter that throws itself at them? Man, I've only been playing EVE-Online for a month...I've been a member of TSA for a week...and I dive my throwaway Rifters at them just out of sheer BOREDOM!!! Truth be told, the only effect their so-called "war" has had on us is to tick us off with the promise of PvP that almost never happens. Terms.... 
So far you've been about as intimidating as a bad case of gas.
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:50:00 -
[47]
I would also like to point out a few interseting things.
1) Black Sun Members claim to have started this war because of the accusations made. Seems to me its already been proven that they had this war planned long before the Dread was stolen. So to use that as a reason is just silly. Would have more respect for ya if the reason was simply we wanted some good PVP.
2)This whole "pay us and we will allow you to operate here" attitude is just indicitative of how much you hold us in disdain.
3) This very disdain for us is what i believe (my opinion) led to the theft of the Dread. It wasnt for monetary gain it was in the mistaken belief it would demoralize us and then "Priest" could chalk up another corp to his list of corps he destroyed and ripped off because they refused to bow and sc*****before your obvious greatness
4) Black Sun may be ahead in the war tally good for them they are good experienced pilots. However their actions have not really been of much consequence.
5) When this war started I had the hope for a lot of good pvp and some fun. It seems now that Black Sun is gonna try and bore us to death and get us to leave the area out of sheer monotony.
Oh well maybe another week of this war will see some action.
-B-
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:07:00 -
[48]
First: excellent posts and analysis S4xon.
Second: Demanding 200 million to operate in a mediocre area of lowsec is funny. I wouldn't pay that to use the best 0.0 systems in the cluster.
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Jahnweh
Black Sun Consortium
Red Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:28:00 -
[49]
It is somewhat unfortunate that TSA has decided that their diplomatic efforts must be conducted in the context of a public forum, as doing so puts substantial restrictions on what diplomats can say and do in terms of resolving conflicts. However, as that die has been cast I shall respond here - once - for the enjoyment of our readers.
It must be noted that we did not initially send Terms to TSA. We waited a period of time to allow the alliance to become aware of our seriousness and to understand some of the consequences of failure to comply with the forthcoming terms. Additionally, certain TSA members have expressed frustration to us because they did not understand what it would take to end the war. BSUN feels that now is the appropriate time to reveal these Terms.
Whether TSA does or does not believe the Terms given are valid in no way diminishes the situation in which they find themselves. They are currently involved in a highly asymmetric conflict, as they have noted, wherein their forces cannot be properly brought to bear. It is true that BSUN will not fight TSA toe-to-toe, for to do so would play to TSAs strengths and not our own. As such, TSA can expect to see continued disruption of their operations until such time as a suitable arrangement has been made.
In terms of BSUN's alleged ineffectiveness in disrupting TSA operations, after seven days of warfare TSA has suffered enough losses to pay for the Terms many times over, including a Hulk and a very nicely-fitted Bustard. Given the unbalanced nature of the conflict, it is reasonable to conclude that additional losses of similar magnitude will be suffered in the future, making the Terms seem quite cost-effective as a method of resolution.
Had this diplomatic effort not been spurned in such an unprofessional manner, it might have been possible for TSA to come to an arrangement which results in a less public display of their inability to protect their members, and which would not have necessitated their sad play to the community for sympathy and support.
However, as the Emissary of the Consortium, I remain at the disposal of legitimate and professional diplomatic overtures which will, of course, be held in the strictest confidence.
Good day.
Jahnweh
Director of Diplomacy
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Crypt
Gallente
Feral Tendency
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:55:00 -
[50]
Sounds like a very cool war you guys have going.
"we killed 2 of ur members! phear us! Now pay us iskies or we will pWn U sum morr!"
Is it ok to point and laugh now? Or does this get even better?
ROFL
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.21 19:58:00 -
[51]
Oh yeah and one more point...We would be pretty much stupid to think you would stand behind any agreement made. We can only judge you by past actions and those dont exactly speak volumes as to your honesty or ethics.
See ya on the battlefield.
-B-
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Ranged Airman
Caldari
Black Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.21 20:29:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Ranged Airman on 21/11/2006 20:30:28
Edited by: Ranged Airman on 21/11/2006 20:29:40
We've killed slightly more than two members.
In the duel where I challenged one of your pilots. I honored my end yet you had a raven warp in during the fight. Where does that show honesty or ethics?
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Bearclaww
Black Sun Consortium
Red Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.21 20:38:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Crypt
Sounds like a very cool war you guys have going.
"we killed 2 of ur members! phear us! Now pay us iskies or we will pWn U sum morr!"
Is it ok to point and laugh now? Or does this get even better?
ROFL
Jahnweh please dont hate me for responding.
Crypt its more like 40+ ships killed and about 4 losses (10:1 ratio) and a 2 billion isk TSA loss to 200m our total loss (again 10:1 ratio). Pretty big considering how few members we have compared to their numbers.
We have also practically shut down their areas of operation in both the Oto region and their high sec mission running systems. The proof is the numbers of active TSA in systems they frequented has dropped to near non existant levels and those we find are holed up in station for hours on end. These are results from multiple searches by multiple people of every belt, sitting outsiude station cloaked, both with mains and with scouts, etc when we see TSA in system.
The occasional blob shows up if we **** some people off (ie blowing up tech 2 outfitted scorpions and feroxs) but even the blob is gettign smaller daily and once it reaches levels we are comfortable with then you might see some fights.
Now TSA absence might be as a result of pulling together ranks or moving, which shows we are little more than a "bad case of gas". We will continue to actively search for TSA and scouts are being sent to all corners of the EVE universe in search of their members that have left the area.
Have to give it to TSA they do have some skill as was observed in an awesome piece of teamwork to gank a sniper of ours. I was impressed by that and look forward to many more fights and fun with TSA. So its not like 10 experienced people are taking on 600+ noobs.
And we arent dumb 3 assault frigs, cruisers are not going to go up against a blob of 20+ all ship types, thats would be dumb.
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Crypt
Gallente
Feral Tendency
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:00:00 -
[54]
I stand corrected then. It had sounded like you guys had only killed a few ships and then were trying to ransom the space they occupy after that. Good luck to both sides, may all your fights be fun.
Oh and I really didn't point and laugh. I just chuckled alot.
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Bearclaww
Black Sun Consortium
Red Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:04:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Crypt
I stand corrected then. It had sounded like you guys had only killed a few ships and then were trying to ransom the space they occupy after that. Good luck to both sides, may all your fights be fun.
Oh and I really didn't point and laugh. I just chuckled alot.
All good man i would have chuckled too LOL. I do look forward to many more good fights thanks for the words of good luck
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:50:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Boliknar on 21/11/2006 22:03:05
Originally by: Bearclaww
Originally by: Crypt
Sounds like a very cool war you guys have going.
"we killed 2 of ur members! phear us! Now pay us iskies or we will pWn U sum morr!"
Is it ok to point and laugh now? Or does this get even better?
ROFL
Jahnweh please dont hate me for responding.
Crypt its more like 40+ ships killed and about 4 losses (10:1 ratio) and a 2 billion isk TSA loss to 200m our total loss (again 10:1 ratio). Pretty big considering how few members we have compared to their numbers.
We have also practically shut down their areas of operation in both the Oto region and their high sec mission running systems. The proof is the numbers of active TSA in systems they frequented has dropped to near non existant levels and those we find are holed up in station for hours on end. These are results from multiple searches by multiple people of every belt, sitting outsiude station cloaked, both with mains and with scouts, etc when we see TSA in system.
The occasional blob shows up if we **** some people off (ie blowing up tech 2 outfitted scorpions and feroxs) but even the blob is gettign smaller daily and once it reaches levels we are comfortable with then you might see some fights.
Now TSA absence might be as a result of pulling together ranks or moving, which shows we are little more than a "bad case of gas". We will continue to actively search for TSA and scouts are being sent to all corners of the EVE universe in search of their members that have left the area.
Have to give it to TSA they do have some skill as was observed in an awesome piece of teamwork to gank a sniper of ours. I was impressed by that and look forward to many more fights and fun with TSA. So its not like 10 experienced people are taking on 600+ noobs.
And we arent dumb 3 assault frigs, cruisers are not going to go up against a blob of 20+ all ship types, thats would be dumb.
Ok first of all thanks for the back handed complement. Second what systems have you been in..What are you smoking and can i have some? To say you have shut down our operations in Otosela is pretty much a lie. Most of you kills come against solo targets who were out doing their own thing. You dont control Otosela or any of the surrounding systems. We pretty much come and go as we please and continue to do what we have always done. Never said that playing cat and mouse for 4 hours a night was stupid on your part just boring. I already stated you were ahead in the war tally yippie good for you hasnt really meant a thing in the overall picture of our operations. Wow you throw in aweful lot of possesive pronouns when you have been part of their corp for what... 2 days. "You" havent done anything but beat your chest about someone elses imaginary victories. Sad when ya look at it. Our blobs as you call them have been consistant with members playing time... Ask Calc from his days of masquerading as our friend if he is honest he will tell ya.
Oh and the reason we are running smaller blobs is so there might be the off chance one of ya will engage.
-B-
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Bearclaww
Black Sun Consortium
Red Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:14:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Bearclaww on 21/11/2006 22:14:23
You know what forget it its not worth feeding the drama queen
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Madeline Wickwor
Amarr
Asguard Security Service
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.21 23:17:00 -
[58]
You gave a dread to someone that you suspected of being a corp thief for over 2 months?
You deserve whatever you got full stop.
However you have admitted you had corp theft before, altho claim it was resolved and your case against calculon is incredibly circumstatial and based on hear say.
You know what he may have done it, but you will never convince people with those arguements.
If i was you I would look elsewhere as well.
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Impee
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Posted - 2006.11.21 23:19:00 -
[59]
I find Bearclaws statements a bit laffable (notice the laff as the statements do not even warrant a laugh). Whenever I am on, Oto usually has 20-30 people in it. Most of them are TSA (usually 60% to 70%) most of the others are usually friendlies, and the odd plex farmer and noob pirate. The majority of the time BSUN has 0,1, or 2 members in system. Usually they are docked. If they are undocked, they are running around high sec space looking for noobs running missions, or running trade routes.
Not really much of disruption. I played all day yesterday and I had more disruption from a 0.0 gate camp that I had to run through to get back to Oto, where gasp, one BSUN member was.
Personally I have better things to do than chase stabbers with all their lows filled with warp core stabs in it :)
As I have said before, BSUN will believe what they want, and TSA will beleive what they want. However, as has been pointed out in game their have been many "incidents" with Calc, so obviously there is a prescedent there. I look forward to when BSUN comes on this same board in a 3-9 months when something similar happens to them :)
Say what you want, but I'm not seeing what you are seeing.
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Koten Twilight
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Posted - 2006.11.22 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bearclaww
Jahnweh please dont hate me for responding.
Crypt its more like 40+ ships killed and about 4 losses (10:1 ratio) and a 2 billion isk TSA loss to 200m our total loss (again 10:1 ratio). Pretty big considering how few members we have compared to their numbers.
We have also practically shut down their areas of operation in both the Oto region and their high sec mission running systems. The proof is the numbers of active TSA in systems they frequented has dropped to near non existant levels and those we find are holed up in station for hours on end. These are results from multiple searches by multiple people of every belt, sitting outsiude station cloaked, both with mains and with scouts, etc when we see TSA in system.
First, having more ship kills means nothing. For an example, when I was younger and my buds and I would go out and play lazer tag, the guy that ran the place would challenge us, saying that if we beat him we'd get free games for the rest of the night. Sure enough, he'd always win. Why? He had six or seven targets - we had only one. Likewise, there are just about a dozen BSUN members and around 600 TSA members. You have more targets, thus you have more opportunities to get kills.
Added to this is the fact that BSUN has moved their operations out of otosela, where most of our experienced pvpers are, and have gone up to Eram and Rens and Gelfiven hunting for our new players that are running missions and mining in high sec. Yes, that's oh so brave of BSUN to target those least able to defend themselves. You're corp is a pirate corp, nothing more, so quit acting like you're sitting on some high horse.
Second, to say that you have shut down our operations in Otosela is ridiculously naive. We control Otosela and our operations are only hampered when BSUN shows up cause we have to babysit you as you sit docked in the stations. If you call that "disrupting" then so be it, but get over these delusions of grandeur that your disruption is due to some skill on your part. The only time I've seen BSUN actually fight is the first night of the war, and after we blew up one of your battleships you all logged off. The next night you switched to these cowardly pirating tactics of targeting new players and always running away. Yeah, that's so scary I think I might never go down to otosela again, for fear of your elite running away tactics. (warp core stabs 4tw)
And if you don't like blob tactics then you should have thought about that before you declared war on an alliance over 50 times your size. Your tactics these last few days have been more than simply cowardly, they've been dishonorable. I'm shamed by the fact that some of you used to fly in the same alliance as me. If you want to run us out of Otosela then do just that - run us out! Don't fly up to Eram and gank newbies just cause they're easy targets. That's what pirate corps do, so if you want to retain any semblance of dignity then start fighting honorably. Do that, or start telling the truth about being a pirate corp. Either is fine with me, just quit being hypocrites.
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