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Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
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Posted - 2015.06.30 18:30:25 -
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O.K. , I can possibly accept that there are 10 + posters on THIS thread that are doing most of the critical posting over the new icon changes.......but have YOU seen any other threads like this.....anywhere else? Reddit.....TMC Forums....anywhere?
I'm trying to grasp the scope of the upheaval here. I'm doing a rough count of toons that favor vs those who do not on the topic for a side project. A lot of anger and passion in this thread, and I would assume that this discussion/debate must be raging on more than just this one platform.
Dan
Honey Never Sleeps.
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Panterata
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
333
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Posted - 2015.06.30 18:37:32 -
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I think someone in the previous pages posted some links of other forums of the icons...I think one of them was in some russian forum |
Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:18:51 -
[2193] - Quote
I thought that as well, but I've read every post over since it formed, and just quickly scanned through 80% of this thread on three screens and there is no links that i can find.
There are a few links to other threads in regards to the Old Map / New Map discussion, and the Entosis link debate, but absolutely nothing I can find that directs me to other threads anywhere else, on this site or others in relationship to mass complaints about this icon change.
Dan
Honey Never Sleeps.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
6024
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Posted - 2015.06.30 19:42:42 -
[2194] - Quote
Removed some off topic posts.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Panterata
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
333
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Posted - 2015.06.30 20:44:57 -
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Dan Seavey Allier wrote:I thought that as well, but I've read every post over since it formed, and just quickly scanned through 80% of this thread on three screens and there is no links that i can find.
There are a few links to other threads in regards to the Old Map / New Map discussion, and the Entosis link debate, but absolutely nothing I can find that directs me to other threads anywhere else, on this site or others in relationship to mass complaints about this icon change.
Dan
Check it. I'm 100% sure that there was a link to some russian forum if is not removed from ISD. Even there was a vote regarding the icons |
J0rj Lmoz
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2015.06.30 21:56:29 -
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Needed some time to get used to the new icons, but now I'm starting to like them.
Keep the good work CPP.
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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
321
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Posted - 2015.07.01 00:16:33 -
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"I Survived the Summer Icon Rage" commemorative t-shirts will be going on sale soon. Wear yours at the next EVE FanFest!
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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Destrukter
Mafia Redux Feign Disorder
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Posted - 2015.07.01 00:24:44 -
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Almost 2,200 comments (not counting rage posts that were nuked), over 50,000 views... I'd say this topic is important to more than the few left commenting on a topic a lot of people may have given up on. Let CCP make a vote on the icons if they really want to know how many people favor them but do you honestly think they would do something like that?
Some good news that most can agree on, the new Drone Icons look much better than what we are currently stuck with. I wish I had a link to share but atm I do not. |
Jeven HouseBenyo
Baron and Serpent Productions
201
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Posted - 2015.07.01 02:55:37 -
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Jared Tobin wrote:CCP Claymore wrote: We have been looking at these changes with the colorblind player in mind and we have looked at them through some simulators, but not being colorblind we really need your feedback if this is helping your experience. Colorblind players please let us know how they look and if they are better.
Might I suggest visiting the Color Blind Awareness Organization. They have interesting comparison charts which, if I may suggest, would be handy to keep on file for all art and graphic designers to reference: http://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/Personally, two friends of mine suffer 2 of the 3 types of color blindness. The one suffers the most common "deuteranopia" ("red/green" color blindness) which means any color that includes red in it, is "subtracted" in some (or all) level. I've noticed he completely thinks red is brown. He also has mentioned that vegetation is "a mustard brown or yellow" and the "sky is a deep blue". The other friend has "protanopia" (a slight variant of "red/green") where, oddly, she describes that, on some days the sky is "blue" (to her) but on other days where the sky is tinted/stormy (or dawn/dusk), she has described the sky as "a little like a pink day"... It "appears", in my experiences and studies, that the most common color that will be seen by "most" will be a variant of blue. There are always exceptions, but in my graphic design jobs in the late 90s, it was imperative to focus on "pure" greens, reds and blues. I am hoping things have changed since then, but even back in '98, I had a program that was able to (at a simple keystroke) switch my entire monitor through various color blindnesses so that I could "see" what colors of things which a company/client wanted to be "highlighted" (or "stand out") to the largest group of potential customers had to be a "commonly shared" color of distinction from the rest of the text/shapes/colors etc. It's been awhile, and I forget the hexadecimal code, but the best color was somewhere in the blue wavelength areas of the visible light spectrum. I'm sure there are advances in programs for graphic designers using both RGB and CMYK color preparations on computer monitors these days, but it is a rather basic filtration system program that barely takes up space. I hope this helps.
Then there's the oddity vision/color problems out there that don't get as much attention. Thankfully, they (usually!) don't impact computer monitor viewing as much as the standard colorblind variants. For example, 'night blind' and other types of vision issues where amount and/or type of light causes colors to not be accurate. Don't ask me to drive anywhere at dusk when the directions include looking for certain colored landmarks, that time of day outside has all vision in grey tones with screaming red lights the only other 'colors' available. Street signs with a green or black background and white letters are completely blank to me. At least I can see tail lights and stop lights, right??
Random non-Eve factoid. The ordering of Green Amber Red on stop lights are in a specific order across (most/all?) countries, for this very reason. So the color blind can still 'see' that one light is at least glowing, and know what to do while driving.
Back to Eve info. Is there an image or something up to show what changes, if any, are inbound to icons with the mini-expansion? Time's running out on this last account, want to see if it's worth tacking more time onto it.
Any memo yet on this fast track release cycle that's giving the player base half baked, half finished, and sometimes broken/buggy 'new!' shinys and it possibly slowing down for better Quality Testing before feeding it to the unwashed paying masses? Riding the brakes might save CCP some headaches with 1) bug lists with each release, 2) howling masses faced with unwanted and/or changes for change sake not for improvement of game play, 3) time to read and actually use feedback from Sisi threads, therefore possible short circuiting some of the shrieks and gnashing of teeth that piles up on forum threads.
And angry customer base is only a plus when it at least feels listened to, not repeatedly blown of and 'insulted'. Happy customers tend to spend more of their hard collected cash on a company that gives at least a few bones tossed in their direction. And admission of Kender Oops! moments along with apologies buys a loyalty that can't be quantified in a spreadsheet or statistics number crunch. Sarcasm as a customer service technique is not a positive to have for very long, ladies and gents of CCP. And pride goeth before a bankruptcy.
>Jeven
Haunting Issues, Workarounds & Localizations until acct. expires.
Minny boat flyer, when all else doesn't work, smack the control panel.
Snark at 11 24/7/365.25.
"Ragequiting" over Icongate.
No you can't has my stuffs!
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31996
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Posted - 2015.07.01 05:58:17 -
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I spent most of the day with a long time friend who is an electrical engineer, working for a systems consulting firm. He told me the basis of his job, I thought it was interesting.
Not necessarily knowing how to do the jobs in the tech companies he consults with / for, he goes to the lowest level workers he has access to and asks them for a short list of their biggest complaints. Then he goes to the next level of workers and asks them for theirs. He does this all the way up to the top level of the company that he has access to.
Then he goes back and asks a handful of people who struck him as talented, or were recommended for having good ideas by their peers. He picks their brain about how to synthesize a unified plan for the items that appeared most frequently on his list. Weighted for being upper level and lower level, of course.
He's in and out of a company in two weeks.
He makes a ton of money and he's living the dream... he's a twentysomething with a Viper, and a luxury sport sedan for a daily driver, the works. I imagine the results are worthwhile, or he'd probably not have that job and his firm would not exist.
I had a great time talking about trends and common pitfalls that he has seen over time, across companies and industries. It's full spectrum stuff, from upper level management to final product execution, and everything in between.
Imagine what the result of his work would be if his firm was hired by CCP. Having talked to him, and aggregating what I've seen and heard over the years, I can tell you it's a lot of what you'd expect.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Arbor Wattle
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.07.01 07:55:41 -
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CCP i would like to be able to launch the game without having to hit the launch button 5 million times over 5-10minutes. |
Panterata
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
334
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Posted - 2015.07.01 10:20:38 -
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Arbor Wattle wrote:CCP i would like to be able to launch the game without having to hit the launch button 5 million times over 5-10minutes.
CCP: You must use to it. We don't care even if we have 1 mil feedback. We implement this bug because we think is cool and we already test it on the SISI and don't have any negative feedbacks. On next patch we will include 10 mil times hiting the launch button. |
Rio Bravo
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
69
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Posted - 2015.07.01 13:07:16 -
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The Icons I like...Everyone knows that now. I thought some of the vision problems people spoke of were hyperbole, but it's actually a 'thing'. The comprehension problems people are having? Well, I don't know what to say to that...
Guess the end of the matter for me, after subjecting you all to my long winded satirical opinions, is that personally...I don't want to go back to old stuff. My condolences to folks who have eye trouble (CCP is sensitive from recent posts)...and the weirder comprehension thing. Call it selfish, but for me it works. In the end it's CCP's descision, and what ever they are going to do...I will still fly my spaceships in New Eden, not in some other game.
Look forward to Fozzy-Sov clearing out some cobwebs in null too...then I can inform you all of what I think about that too.
GÇ£You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig.-áI dig.GÇ¥
-á- Clint Eastwood, misquote.
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Joe Gormley
Nemo Modicus Group
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Posted - 2015.07.01 18:53:04 -
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Rio Bravo wrote:The Icons I like...Everyone knows that now. I thought some of the vision problems people spoke of were hyperbole, but it's actually a 'thing'. The comprehension problems people are having? Well, I don't know what to say to that... Guess the end of the matter for me, after subjecting you all to my long winded satirical opinions, is that personally...I don't want to go back to old stuff. My condolences to folks who have eye trouble (CCP is sensitive from recent posts)...and the weirder comprehension thing. Call it selfish, but for me it works. In the end it's CCP's descision, and what ever they are going to do...I will still fly my spaceships in New Eden, not in some other game. Look forward to Fozzy-Sov clearing out some cobwebs in null too...then I can inform you all of what I think about that too.
I really struggle to understand how you can say CCP are sensitive to players with sight problems... If they were, these new ICONs would have been gone with hours once the sight issue had been established....
But hey, I struggle to understand why CCP would put a development project on TQ... Only problem is it will remain a development project that will never be fixed.... Like... ah, the list is too long.. and peeps who actual play know the issues..
Likewise, looking forward to seeing what opportunities the new SOV changes will bring... |
SportBilly
GHOSTS OF THE FIRST AND ONLY
65
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Posted - 2015.07.01 19:27:22 -
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Speaks for itself: link to server figures, no guessing why!
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Last Sunday was the lowest number of players for many years. |
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
326
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Posted - 2015.07.02 01:04:23 -
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I suggest you read this for comprehension.
http://crossingzebras.com/that-time-again/
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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OldWolf69
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.02 09:07:18 -
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Actually that map is irrelevant, change wise, if it needs CCP's help, for things to happen. Fun most know that already, and some just pretend they don't see it. Even NOW there's no real reasons for ppl to do a lot of moving and conquering. Ofc, there's small fights, a system taken here and there. But we had that before, and even better. We had big fights too. Some do not like big fights? Not my problem and not for me to care. Or care if they get only the content they like or not. Small=good. Big=bad. CCP, this a direct consequence of biting on trolling from your side. Handle it. Ppl go away. Is time to act. or... McDonalds ----> |
Destrukter
Mafia Redux Feign Disorder
22
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Posted - 2015.07.02 21:47:56 -
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OldWolf69 wrote:Actually that map is irrelevant, change wise, if it needs CCP's help, for things to happen. Fun most know that already, and some just pretend they don't see it. Even NOW there's no real reasons for ppl to do a lot of moving and conquering. Ofc, there's small fights, a system taken here and there. But we had that before, and even better. We had big fights too. Some do not like big fights? Not my problem and not for me to care. Or care if they get only the content they like or not. Small=good. Big=bad. CCP, this a direct consequence of biting on trolling from your side. Handle it. Ppl go away. Is time to act. or... McDonalds ---->
What do you think can change how things are going? Removing pos's? Nope. Fozzie (troll)sov? Low sec and wh dudes will probably enjoy messing with people for a little while. More strategic icons?! Lol.
Imo the best sov is the one they did away with in the beginning. Back then it made sense to build empires and have to maintain them. Then we went to drop tcu and pay a bill. Now ccp thinks they are going to get everyone interested in null again with faction warefare sov. Unfortunately, I just don't see it happening. |
Rio Bravo
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
69
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Posted - 2015.07.03 11:42:37 -
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Makes sense, always hated the AFK nature of some mechanics. Would be refreshing to get rid of the 10 alt mining fleets all in nooby corps... The sov thing I think will be good too. Goons will roll over everyone in protest, but they are only complaining because they know it will be harder for them to hold what they have comparatively then. Null holdings will become smaller no doubt, based much more on active members of alliances...No more AFK sov either.
GÇ£You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig.-áI dig.GÇ¥
-á- Clint Eastwood, misquote.
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Jared Tobin
Bloodstone Industries B.S.I.
282
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Posted - 2015.07.04 21:44:58 -
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Dan Seavey Allier wrote:I thought that as well, but I've read every post over since it formed, and just quickly scanned through 80% of this thread on three screens and there is no links that i can find.
There are a few links to other threads in regards to the Old Map / New Map discussion, and the Entosis link debate, but absolutely nothing I can find that directs me to other threads anywhere else, on this site or others in relationship to mass complaints about this icon change. This was this additional thread established and used to have more productive feedback, etc over specificly icon/overview feedback, suggestions, etc:
Dev blog: Feedback on the new Overview Brackets |
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Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards FUBAR.
641
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Posted - 2015.07.05 07:56:49 -
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Just wondering; With all the new pretty, colorful effects being added to the game, why is the launcher so drab, colorless and boring?
PS; It is now asking me to accept the EULA every time I log a character in. Not bad enough the launcher already took 3X as long to get into the game as the EXE does but now I have to click an Except button each time for each character too.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
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Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
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Posted - 2015.07.05 16:39:15 -
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Jared Tobin wrote:Dan Seavey Allier wrote:I thought that as well, but I've read every post over since it formed, and just quickly scanned through 80% of this thread on three screens and there is no links that i can find.
There are a few links to other threads in regards to the Old Map / New Map discussion, and the Entosis link debate, but absolutely nothing I can find that directs me to other threads anywhere else, on this site or others in relationship to mass complaints about this icon change. This was this additional thread established and used to have more productive feedback, etc over specificly icon/overview feedback, suggestions, etc: Dev blog: Feedback on the new Overview Brackets
Awesome!
Thank you very much, Jared.
This thread is way too polarized and redundant to be of use.
Cheers!
Dan
Honey Never Sleeps.
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D'Lest De'Kranken
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.05 19:40:17 -
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Dan Seavey Allier wrote:[quote=Jared Tobi This thread is way too polarized and redundant to be of use.
Your opinion. Like everyone elses'. means nothing. 99.9% disagree with CCP (troll posts not withstanding). You blowing it off means Jack Sh.. Enjoy your weekend. |
Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:23:18 -
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You are right about opinions and worth.
Dead wrong on the 99%
A lot of people think that complaining loudly, and often, justifies their position. It however does not recruit followers to their cause.
The same group of people will find something fresh to complain and rage quit over (again) tomorrow morning after downtime.
I'm not saying you shouldn't let CCP know about your displeasure or opinion. They need to know, and they do react. (Icons were tweaked, no?)
Just accept that if you are not in the vast majority your tailor made wishes shall not be granted. You are not 99% You are not legion. Change is good. as the dev blog states, adapt or die.
Try to enjoy the next release.
Dan
Honey Never Sleeps.
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uhnboy ghost
retard hills
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Posted - 2015.07.20 15:59:37 -
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6h left on sub so just wanted to say tnx for 2,5 great years, see u all again when we get custom OV/UI.. maybe soon(tm) ???
i leave eve whit: 49m SP 16B isk (gave away 31b to diffrent noob help corps + some random giveaways) 42 plex 38b i random ships/stuff
im out, fly safe 07
//uhnboy 84K probe scans in 2014 http://i.imgur.com/Uaid5iu.png
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Panterata
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
359
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Posted - 2015.07.21 18:38:44 -
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I will give you a free idea CCP but you can pay me if you wish.....I see that you don't have any ideas and don't know what to do that's why f....k up the old icons.
For the next useless patch that you will make: When you click on the FIT button on the Fitting management, the client to start "looking and searching" for ship modules into the station containers in the main hangar. As you know (but probably not) most of ppl keep their staff (modules) in some stations containers to be more organized - named like High Slot, Mid Slot, Low slot etc etc.
Now to fit a ship and use this Fit button -
1. You must find all high modules according to the fitting and drag them in the main hangar 2. You must find all med slot modules according to the fitting and drag them in the main hangar 3. You must find all low slot modules according to the fitting and drag them in the main hangar 4. You must find all rigs that you need according to the fitting and drag them in the main hangar And after that click Fit. - which is useless because If I need to go for example in my High slot container and find the guns that I need I just make right click and Fit to ship |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32067
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Posted - 2015.07.21 18:51:08 -
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In the meantime, what you should do is leave everything in one giant pile and organize it using filters.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Panterata
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
359
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Posted - 2015.07.21 20:10:26 -
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Rain6637 wrote:In the meantime, what you should do is leave everything in one giant pile and organize it using filters.
And to remember the names of 5000 items in game just to use the filters...very clever |
Sgt Ocker
Military Bustards FUBAR.
680
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Posted - 2015.07.21 23:56:26 -
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Rain6637 wrote:In the meantime, what you should do is leave everything in one giant pile and organize it using filters. Once they include sort by fitting, sort by slot placement, that might be ok. Having filters that are user friendly wouldn't hurt either - Can't sort "drones" by filtering "drones", it replies "nothing found". Not much point to filters if you have to know the name of every item you want to filter. Try filtering damage controls.
Personal assets at least lets you sort by "slot" but sadly there is no "type" option
And really, some just don't like the look of a total shambles mess. A few thousand items in your hangar is just mess when you can't sort properly.
Industry tab can source material location to start jobs using multiple containers - Would it be so hard to do it for ship fitting?
A way to unfit a rack of modules with 1 click would be nice too - would make refitting and trying out different configs much easier. (nothing quite like unfitting 8 launcher or guns individually so you can try another type.) "Strip fitting", could be broken up into highs, mids, lows, all. Right click a stack of guns - "Fit to active ship" could fit the rack, instead of just 1 at a time.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode -
Vice Admiral, Forum Dictator
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Vila eNorvic
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Posted - 2015.07.22 00:06:52 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Can't sort "drones" by filtering "drones", it replies "nothing found". My 'Drones' filter works fine. |
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