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Mizhir
Matari Exodus The Camel Empire
74404
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Posted - 2015.06.03 13:20:40 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Pilots will notice the appearance of the corpse of Hilen Tukoss. We regret to report that we were unable to retrieve his corpse for autopsy or investigation. .... We have no theory as to why his medclone failed to activate, or whether he could possibly have his mindstate captured by the Vigilant Tyrannos via an as-yet-unknown method of interdiction.
That is a shame. I hope that his death will not be in vain. May his spirit find eternal balance.
I am still surprised that they haven't harvested his corpse and the medclone activation failure worries me even more. Could it be that they have been more interested in his consciousness than his body? That though scares me even more.
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1295
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Posted - 2015.06.03 13:33:25 -
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While the discovery of Dr. Tukoss' body is not unexpected considering the message that Scope released recently, I am rather surprised that Drifters have left all those corpses floating around. I can think of 4 reasons why those corpses would not have been harvested.
- The corpses are unsuitable and have been rejected for some reason or various reasons.
- Drifters have found a better or more preferable source of corpses.
- The Drifters have no need for more corpses.
- They are a message left for others, as one person said, like a head on a pike.
#1 denotes a weakness in the Drifter biology that could potentially be exploited if we can determine what is unsuitable about those corpses.
#2 seems most likely to me in that we as capsuleers are more than happy to throw ourselves into the grinder for "reasons", thus leaving behind an ample supply of easily retrieved corpses.
#3 This is very troubling to me in that it could mean that they have fulfilled their requirements for bodies. So now what?
#4 This denotes an understanding of the psychology of fear-tactics. But since we as capsuleers generally have nothing to fear aside from the occasional cloning accident, I'm not so sure how effective this would be. In this case, head-on-a-pike would be demonstrative of a rather flawed understanding of capsuleer society. So I'm not so sure this is the correct choice.
At the moment, I am left wondering how long the Drifter harvesting of bodies from Sleeper Enclaves has been going on, if they have indeed been harvesting them.
Another option that occured to me is that the Drifters are Sleepers in new bodies made expressly to replace the old bodies that were destroyed in the early days of w-space exploration.
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Karmilla Strife
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
304
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Posted - 2015.06.03 13:57:20 -
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This just made my day. That man was a thief and a traitor to his people. He deserved what he got. |
Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
843
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Posted - 2015.06.03 14:22:54 -
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So ... maybe I'm just forgetting or missing something, but if Tukoss is dead ...
(1) Why didn't the Drifters collect his body? They've been collecting ours.
(2) Where did those messages he seemed to have sent come from? |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
365
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Posted - 2015.06.03 14:25:03 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:So ... maybe I'm just forgetting or missing something, but if Tukoss is dead ...
(1) Why didn't the Drifters collect his body? They've been collecting ours.
(2) Where did those messages he seemed to have sent come from?
(1) Who would want it? the body of a traitor goes to the dust from wence he sprung, unwept, unhonored and unsung.
(2) Good question. |
iyammarrok
Ultramar Independent Contracting
263
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Posted - 2015.06.03 15:31:32 -
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one of his messages hinted that he might return to Site One in a 'stolen ---er vessel' ... Most assumed that he meant Sleeper, I'm not so certain.
his clone hasn't activated because his infomorph data was intercepted and uploaded. while he may believe that he has stolen a drifter vessel, my biggest concern is that he has yet to realise that he now IS one of them.
if that is the case, they now likely know as much as they need to about us.
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Olivandar Nova
The Daedalus Consortium
0
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Posted - 2015.06.03 16:03:51 -
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As many of you have noted, Hilen Tukoss' in death did not have his infomorph data uploaded to a new clone. This is perhaps the most troubling turn of events for us capsuleers.
The Empires will war, and bring the cumbersome but collectively powerful machines of war to bare on a collective threat to the stability and most importantly border lines that divide New Eden. An enemy of my enemy may be enough for the empires to align to the defence of the greater good.
However, we are capsuleers. We are an empire unto our own, and our key to power is our immortality. If the reactivation of Dr Tukoss' clone is simply a matter of the Concord controls on multiple clone activation, then this can now be readily resolved by confirming KIA rather than MIA. It was alluded earlier in this conversation however that Concord, with their somewhat clandestine manoeuvring of late regarding the recent Drifter, SOE and Eifyr and Co, may indeed be consciously repressing the activation of Dr Tukoss. I have theories on this, but this is not the arena to discuss them.
What is troubling is this...
From scarce information we have on the Drifters, and the Tyrannos, we can assume they are of Jovian ancestry. Likely this reincarnation of the Jove is in fact the result of a Schism within the Jove culture before our empires were even capable of space flight, and that we are witnessing the emergence, or perhaps reclaiming, of a Jove Empire by the denomination that turned to technology to upload their consciousness to attain unbound freedom from death, time and bodily limitation, rather than the Jove denomination we are familiar with that relied on genetic alteration and that brought us the technology we as capsuleers depend on.
If this is true, and the Tyrannos are indeed of Jove ancestry, it is very likely possible that the Dr Tukoss' infomorph stream was intercepted by the Tyrannos and either destroyed, uploaded or stored.
There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum.
So i pose this, the death of Dr Tukoss is a much graver warning than we have first realised. It is a possible warning, intentional or not, that us capsuleers are, for the first time, in mortal danger. I am sure going foward that Concord, or perhaps the Inner Circle will comment, but whether they acknowledge this theory is entirely up for debate. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1577
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Posted - 2015.06.03 16:11:59 -
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The "infomorph stream" is connected to the destination site via quantum entanglement. It is not possible to "intercept" it. You either have the second half of the quantum pair, or you don't.
Which means that if it was intercepted or terminated by anyone, it was most likely by something human, at the station where Tukoss had his clone destination set to. The only ones with the ability to manipulate a clone transfer is whoever has the second half of the quantum pair, which is usually going to be the cloning facility.
And Mr. Nova, Her Imperial Majesty is not a clone. She had no infomorph transmission to be delayed. You are making a lot of assumptions.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
784
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Posted - 2015.06.03 16:50:57 -
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There is another possibility.
One which should be of some concern.
That is, that there is a way, to remotely override a capsule, in such a way as to prevent the normal functions that would trigger the neural scanner.
That is, disabling self-destruct, and disabling the automatic triggering of the neural scanner.
If the Drifters can remotely subvert a capsule, then capsuleers choosing to engage them, should be prepared to use any methods to stop themselves or their comrades being taken alive by the Drifters.
Doctor Valerie Valate, archaeologist. Not the other Doctor Valerie Valate.
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iyammarrok
Ultramar Independent Contracting
265
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Posted - 2015.06.03 16:59:43 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:The "infomorph stream" is connected to the destination site via quantum entanglement. It is not possible to "intercept" it. You either have the second half of the quantum pair, or you don't.
Which means that if it was intercepted or terminated by anyone, it was most likely by something human, at the station where Tukoss had his clone destination set to. The only ones with the ability to manipulate a clone transfer is whoever has the second half of the quantum pair, which is usually going to be the cloning facility.
And Mr. Nova, Her Imperial Majesty is not a clone. She had no infomorph transmission to be delayed. You are making a lot of assumptions.
It is not supposed to be possible, but we cannot be certain of this.
and yes, she is a clone. she has never denied this either. or do you think she came back from having her ship and pod exploded some other way hmmm?
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1577
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Posted - 2015.06.03 17:27:31 -
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She might have. Or she may not have actually been in the pod when it detonated.
If she were a clone, she would not have been made empress, so she cannot be one.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
100
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Posted - 2015.06.03 17:29:01 -
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Firstly, good work to all those involved. It is good to see initiative being taken in these matters.
Secondly, I must share the concerns of others in regards to Hilen Tukoss's body. Why was it not taken like the others? It does make it seem like he was supposed to be found dead.
I wonder if it was possible for them to have captured his capsule, cloned him and then destroyed his old body to make him appear dead. Regardless, these sites warrant more investigation to be sure.
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
132
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Posted - 2015.06.03 17:44:46 -
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Olivandar Nova wrote: There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum.
Wow, now, that's something I would hear in a pleasure hub in lowsec near Amarr space.
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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iyammarrok
Ultramar Independent Contracting
265
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Posted - 2015.06.03 17:51:47 -
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if she followed orthodox methodology she wouldn't have been made empress once her champion lost the battle.
She re-wrote those rules when she returned Samira. you have a capsuleer, and a clone, for an empress.
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Natheniel
Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel
2
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Posted - 2015.06.03 17:53:13 -
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Olivandar Nova wrote: There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum.
Could you please provide your source information on this? There h as been speculation for some time about her being a clone due to what happened, its a reasonable assumption but you sound like you have hard proof to have knowledge of the process of cloning that occurred. It would be of great help to those who wish to know what really happened to have something solid to go off of.
"Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
132
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Posted - 2015.06.03 17:54:43 -
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iyammarrok wrote:if she followed orthodox methodology she wouldn't have been made empress once her champion lost the battle.
She re-wrote those rules when she returned Samira. you have a capsuleer, and a clone, for an empress.
...from some inflated Amarr money bag with wrinkles and fancy titles who is salty that his family is not at the top of the food chain.
Are you the new messiah?
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1240
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Posted - 2015.06.03 20:31:40 -
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Natheniel wrote:Olivandar Nova wrote: There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum. Could you please provide your source information on this? There h as been speculation for some time about her being a clone due to what happened, its a reasonable assumption but you sound like you have hard proof to have knowledge of the process of cloning that occurred. It would be of great help to those who wish to know what really happened to have something solid to go off of. I was the one who activated her clone. I'm not allowed to tell you that though....
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Malleus Karris
Karris Family
0
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Posted - 2015.06.03 20:47:10 -
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iyammarrok wrote:and yes, she is a clone. she has never denied this either. or do you think she came back from having her ship and pod exploded some other way hmmm? We know there is the Entosis Link. We know that this technology projects a consciousness into a database. Perhaps similar technology could be used to passively download a consciousness. In this sense, cloning in the method usually associated with a capsuleer's death and rebirth is circumvented.
Also, consider this. While the flesh of the Heirs is sacred, it is possible this method was used to create a 'duplicate' that attended the succession rituals. In this way the Empress could have 'died' while still protecting the sacred flesh. Or, if the body of the Empress were recovered and repaired via other technologies the sacred flesh would also be preserved.
Regardless of the method, the Empress returned to save the Empire. She has been recognized as Empress by the Empire. This is all that matters. |
Daaaain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.06.04 02:07:47 -
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I knew this fellow in a bar, he claimed that he infiltrated P.I.E. To acces their database to search for the missing body of the Empress. He learned that the body ended in the hands of the empyrean champion that represented her in the contest. He claimed to have evidence of this and was going to sell it to the Sabiks, ... Silas... If my memory don't fail me...but was betrayed and ridiculed. He bable about this for hours ....he claimed the body destroyed in the explosion was cloned in a similar fashion as dust bunnies.. I use to find him entertaining specially after the fifth drink when he started reciting poems in Amarrian.... Good times.. |
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
81
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Posted - 2015.06.04 05:04:06 -
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Daaaain wrote:I knew this fellow in a bar, he claimed that he infiltrated P.I.E. To acces their database to search for the missing body of the Empress. He learned that the body ended in the hands of the empyrean champion that represented her in the contest. He claimed to have evidence of this and was going to sell it to the Sabiks, ... Silas... If my memory don't fail me...but was betrayed and ridiculed. He bable about this for hours ....he claimed the body destroyed in the explosion was cloned in a similar fashion as dust bunnies.. I use to find him entertaining specially after the fifth drink when he started reciting poems in Amarrian.... Good times..
There is no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used in common cloned soldiers was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed, prior to YC 112. |
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1792
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Posted - 2015.06.04 07:32:47 -
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Exploration Frontier Inc has successfully completed an exploration expedition in Conflux. Today at around 00:10.
Adopted strategy against Drifter vessels:
Having gone to the conclusion that there is no reliable way to avoid losses facing Drifters, we decided to minimize human an financial casualties by simply ignoring them. They did not receive any damages and their attacks were promptly countered by our Ospreys. I must warn you however that, maybe by poor luck, one of our pilots reported that the Drifter once managed to land a hit that was 3 times more powerful than an usual Drifter volley. Such event makes a decent shield or armor buffer mandatory, even with formidable reactivity from your logistics.
After Action Report from the Conflux:
The Caracal Fleet with Osprey support had to split in two groups. Capsuleers with remarkable hacking skills were able to open us the way without the need for any specialised ship, as they were in standard Ospreys outfitted with a Data Analyzer II.
The security of the Conflux was quite impressive, as everytime we managed to unlock something through haking, it would be locked again in a matter of minutes. It should also be noted that one group was only able to unlock the way for the opposite group, forcing both group to progress through the site in parallel, following a strict timing.
Sadly, one group failed to identify the console that would open the final acceleration gate for the other group. As we had no knowledge of the layout of the Conflux, they did not realize that they were about to reach the Conflux Hive before it was too late.
Therefore, only 40% of the fleet managed to reach the Hive. It consisted in a circular structure of an estimated 120km size. Along with the sleeper drone protection that every part of the Conflux had, we noticed a Drifter named "Hikanta Tyrannos", seemingly guarding a structure named "Conflux Vault".
We engaged Hikanta Tyrannos and proceeded to destroy his vessel, loosing a ship in the process. It was quite a surprise however, when we realized that his remains contained a Vidette Index. A quick analysis revealed that it is some sort of key, but not the one we were looking for, as it was unable to open the Conflux Vault.
Therefore, having nothing left to do, I ordered the fleet to leave the system.
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iyammarrok
Ultramar Independent Contracting
266
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Posted - 2015.06.04 09:08:52 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:iyammarrok wrote:if she followed orthodox methodology she wouldn't have been made empress once her champion lost the battle.
She re-wrote those rules when she returned Samira. you have a capsuleer, and a clone, for an empress.
...from some inflated Amarr money bag with wrinkles and fancy titles who is salty that his family is not at the top of the food chain. Are you the new messiah?
Wait what? Jaret, I'm Intaki.
you seem to be somewhat confused. This face is nowhere near pointy or bald enough to be Vaari
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iyammarrok
Ultramar Independent Contracting
266
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Posted - 2015.06.04 09:13:59 -
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Altrue, Just a thought, but did you try using the key on the Conflux Hive, if there was one?
if it fits the pattern reported earlier in this thread, there may be a chance that a key dropped in one part would open the other side.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1197
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Posted - 2015.06.04 09:16:23 -
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Soren Tyrhanos wrote:Daaaain wrote:I knew this fellow in a bar, he claimed that he infiltrated P.I.E. To acces their database to search for the missing body of the Empress. He learned that the body ended in the hands of the empyrean champion that represented her in the contest. He claimed to have evidence of this and was going to sell it to the Sabiks, ... Silas... If my memory don't fail me...but was betrayed and ridiculed. He bable about this for hours ....he claimed the body destroyed in the explosion was cloned in a similar fashion as dust bunnies.. I use to find him entertaining specially after the fifth drink when he started reciting poems in Amarrian.... Good times.. There is no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used in common cloned soldiers was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed, prior to YC 112.
There was no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used to create the new starbase shielding systems was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed until a few days ago... |
iyammarrok
Ultramar Independent Contracting
266
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Posted - 2015.06.04 09:28:59 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
There is no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used in common cloned soldiers was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed, prior to YC 112.
There was no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used to create the new starbase shielding systems was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed until a few days ago...
as the scope article said it was based on the proprietary shielding technology used to protect stations and stargates, there was plenty of evidence that it existed.
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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
947
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Posted - 2015.06.04 09:30:46 -
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Altrue wrote:Exploration Frontier Inc has successfully completed an exploration expedition in Conflux. Today at around 00:10.
Adopted strategy against Drifter vessels:
Having gone to the conclusion that there is no reliable way to avoid losses facing Drifters, we decided to minimize human an financial casualties by simply ignoring them. They did not receive any damages and their attacks were promptly countered by our Ospreys. I must warn you however that, maybe by poor luck, one of our pilots reported that the Drifter once managed to land a hit that was 3 times more powerful than an usual Drifter volley. Such event makes a decent shield or armor buffer mandatory, even with formidable reactivity from your logistics.
The only reliable way we have found to avoid losses is stealthy infiltration. Drifters seem to be immediately aggressive to all targets, but can't fire on a cloaked ship, so we did what we could to sneak through the facility in stealthy ships. It should go without saying, this is something of an expensive option, and does not do anything to solve the problem of Hikanta
Quote:We engaged Hikanta Tyrannos and proceeded to destroy his vessel, loosing a ship in the process. It was quite a surprise however, when we realized that his remains contained a Vidette Index. A quick analysis revealed that it is some sort of key, but not the one we were looking for, as it was unable to open the Conflux Vault. Interesting. If other locations similarly don't give out their own keys, then the facilities may be cross locked similar to how each facility itself operates.
Given the security measures, the contents must be very valuable to the Drifters. |
Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
149
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Posted - 2015.06.04 13:41:23 -
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This is very, very alarming news. This massive collection of Drifter Forces must be destroyed. I would propose the formation of a large Capital and Super-Capital Fleet to destroy this threat before it becomes bigger.
We need to access these vaults, and we need to find out what is in them. We also need to destroy this 'Hikanta Tyrannos', and the Redoubt Hive itself if possible.
I morn the loss of Hilen Tukoss, but he is just one casualty of many, and many, many more if this threat is not dealt with. Let this be a rallying call to a war.
We need to destroy the Drifters before it is too late.
"I give to you the destiny of Faith,
And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens:
Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given."
- The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1298
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Posted - 2015.06.04 13:55:53 -
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Despite what I consider a well-versed vocabulary, I had to look up the meaning of vidette.
Vidette - noun, a mounted sentry in advance of the outposts of an army.
Thus, a vidette index should be a list of Drifter advance scouts. Extremely valuable intel you have there, m8. Share it plox.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Lucas Raholan
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
143
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Posted - 2015.06.05 11:18:32 -
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Cakzad Arcashiri wrote: This is very, very alarming news. This massive collection of Drifter Forces must be destroyed. I would propose the formation of a large Capital and Super-Capital Fleet to destroy this threat before it becomes bigger.
We need to access these vaults, and we need to find out what is in them. We also need to destroy this 'Hikanta Tyrannos', and the Redoubt Hive itself if possible.
I morn the loss of Hilen Tukoss, but he is just one casualty of many, and many, many more if this threat is not dealt with. Let this be a rallying call to a war.
We need to destroy the Drifters before it is too late.
Afraid to say but looking at the readings taken of the unidentified wormholes seems to indicate that capital vessels are unable to pass through limiting us to the use of sub-capital vessels. Also given the seeming nature of the Drifters as infomorphs similar to ourselves they more then likely simply download to a new body upon 'death' making their destruction infuriatingly difficult.
I'm secretly a unicorn that Sh**ts fairy dust and sings all day-á
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Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
15
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Posted - 2015.06.05 15:20:16 -
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Was any data extracted from the structures via entosis link? |
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