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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
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Posted - 2015.06.10 21:38:05 -
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Was in a discussion with some previous and current eve players i know. Most of them has quit, or is about to quit, mostly due to lack of content.
It made me think abit... They are in some ways correct, EVE hasnt come up with New content that has incouraged others to reactivate their accounts or keep playing. There is no New content that makes me, or those i spoke with, wanna spend more time on EVE. And i do see that thru players i know ingame, keeps reducing their time on EVE, mainly it gives them no more "happy-juice" to keep playing.
So is it that EVE dont gives us more content, or is it me and those that over time has come to the conclusion that EVE actually has become borring?
Also, has EVE more and more been swinging into being more and more a game for mainly pvp players? A friend of mine, was a big time manufacturer and he said, he dont have the time to keep repeating the same actions over and over again, it gave him no more pleasure.
Something is for sure wrong, cuz it is not just me....
Would appreciate some pro's and con's on this.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.10 21:56:00 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:Was in a discussion with some previous and current eve players i know. Most of them has quit, or is about to quit, mostly due to lack of content.
It made me think abit... They are in some ways correct, EVE hasnt come up with New content that has incouraged others to reactivate their accounts or keep playing. There is no New content that makes me, or those i spoke with, wanna spend more time on EVE. And i do see that thru players i know ingame, keeps reducing their time on EVE, mainly it gives them no more "happy-juice" to keep playing.
So is it that EVE dont gives us more content, or is it me and those that over time has come to the conclusion that EVE actually has become borring?
Also, has EVE more and more been swinging into being more and more a game for mainly pvp players? A friend of mine, was a big time manufacturer and he said, he dont have the time to keep repeating the same actions over and over again, it gave him no more pleasure.
Something is for sure wrong, cuz it is not just me....
Would appreciate some pro's and con's on this.
EVE's content comes from the interactions between players. BRAVE coups. GSF kicking corps. PL rampages. Jita market manipulations. The enjoyment of the game, its content, does not come from shooting red NPC rats. (Although lately CCP has been doing a good job of expanding the EVE storyline via the Drifters thread.) If all I ever did was missioning or mining on my own, yeah, it would get quite repetitive and dull. But I interact a lot with the other players around me, both friendly and hostile, so one day is never like another. |
Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:00:34 -
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Many will day make your own content, but the truth is there is tons of content. Are you telling me you've run every mission, explored every complex, invented every tech II, destroyed your enemies armada, trade,,FW, scam, pirated, mined, sleepers, drifters, etc, etc, etc... Go make your own content then. Start a war Dec on the goons... Very exciting... And the obligatory can I haz your stuff?
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose.
Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:07:02 -
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so you have run the new burner missions, the sleeper cahse sites, the new drifter wormholes, battled the drifters and seekers..
thats new content.
Also fozzy sov is going to shake up null, for good or bad, thats also content... so i dunno what you mean by ccp has not added new content, cause they have.. a ton of it
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
195
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:14:01 -
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DaReaper wrote:so you have run the new burner missions, the sleeper cahse sites, the new drifter wormholes, battled the drifters and seekers..
thats new content.
Also fozzy sov is going to shake up null, for good or bad, thats also content... so i dunno what you mean by ccp has not added new content, cause they have.. a ton of it
It was actually discussed during the chat with my fellow EVE friends, but in all its just a extension of old content.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4978
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:15:57 -
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Lots of content:
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/stats |
Thuul'Khalat
Phoenix Wing Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:16:40 -
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So what do you want then? You say new content is needed, but give no suggestions as to what said content might be?
What would be new enough not to be considered "an extension of old content"
Ponies in space?
Phoenix Wing is recruiting a handfull skilled pilots for Null/LowSec PVP!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10002
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:17:03 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:DaReaper wrote:so you have run the new burner missions, the sleeper cahse sites, the new drifter wormholes, battled the drifters and seekers..
thats new content.
Also fozzy sov is going to shake up null, for good or bad, thats also content... so i dunno what you mean by ccp has not added new content, cause they have.. a ton of it It was actually discussed during the chat with my fellow EVE friends, but in all its just a extension of old content. so go make some new content, start a themed npsi roam, try something new, you are being boring in eve,not eve being boring.
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
196
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:17:45 -
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In all, i cant say what New content should be, or for that matter, what i should hope it could be, but i do see players leaving the game more frequently than before. And i do see that the New additions are great for the hardcore players, but it dont bring back the more laidback players. |
Pops Tickle
Tickle Industries
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:19:28 -
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I can not agree on the lack of content.
Pixie Tickle > I'm mining someone elses rocks tehe Wedje > you are a terrible person
CCP Rise wrote:
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- we have failed."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10002
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:22:55 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:In all, i cant say what New content should be, or for that matter, what i should hope it could be, but i do see players leaving the game more frequently than before. And i do see that the New additions are great for the hardcore players, but it dont bring back the more laidback players. oh here we go, good bait 5/10, almost bit.
good fishing mate
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:23:06 -
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Typically, EVE gives us the tools (ships) and otherwise the devs let US create the content (via PVP). They actively avoid creating themepark encounters for us because that's a lot of work to add new stuff every 3 months, for no extra profit (still the same playerbase). It's a lot more cost-effective for them to add a bunch of new ships and let us shoot each other till we're bored.
Look at what's been added with each expansion, and you'll see this trend. You'll also see the amount of work that's "too much" for CCP, a few examples being more than one room for Capt. Quarters, a system that lets you color more than a ship at a time, balancing pass for more than the 4-8 ships that are in a "class" (T1 cruisers f.ex.), more than 1 outfit with 4 color variations for the NEX Store, petition response time faster than 2 weeks.
20 or so devs is considered a small game developer, and this is typical of the output they're capable of. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16104
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:23:12 -
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CCP dont make content we the players do.
Every single memorable event in the games history was made by the players and the big events in EVE make headlines around the world. No PvE spoonfed content can ever compare.
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
196
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:25:41 -
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Pops Tickle wrote:I can not agree on the lack of content.
Pixie Tickle > I'm mining someone elses rocks tehe Wedje > you are a terrible person
I respect Your opinion to disagree on this, but i cant deny the fact that the Group of players ive spoken with have an different opinion. The "New" content aspire many players, but not all....
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Alex Grison
Grison Industrial Group
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:27:08 -
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All whom want content, this way please.
yes
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:27:26 -
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baltec1 wrote:CCP dont make content we the players do.
Every single memorable event in the games history was made by the players and the big events in EVE make headlines around the world. No PvE spoonfed content can ever compare.
The content ingame players create, are for most of it, pvp based..... |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:28:50 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:baltec1 wrote:CCP dont make content we the players do.
Every single memorable event in the games history was made by the players and the big events in EVE make headlines around the world. No PvE spoonfed content can ever compare. The content ingame players create, are for most of it, pvp based.....
And?
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:39:41 -
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baltec1 wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote:baltec1 wrote:CCP dont make content we the players do.
Every single memorable event in the games history was made by the players and the big events in EVE make headlines around the world. No PvE spoonfed content can ever compare. The content ingame players create, are for most of it, pvp based..... And?
And that states that EVE is becoming more and more a game for pvp players and not for those that dont like pvp or the endless repeating cycles of pve.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
37989
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:44:42 -
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Yes, Eve is dying still.
If you are concerned that most of the content players are creating for each other is pvp, then go create some pve content for yourself and others.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25300
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:44:43 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:And that states that EVE is becoming more and more a game for pvp players and not for those that dont like pvp or the endless repeating cycles of pve. GÇ£BecomingGÇ¥ is probably by far the least accurate word to use in that instance.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:45:32 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote: And that states that EVE is becoming more and more a game for pvp players and not for those that dont like pvp or the endless repeating cycles of pve.
It has always been a PvP focused game.
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:53:13 -
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baltec1 wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote: And that states that EVE is becoming more and more a game for pvp players and not for those that dont like pvp or the endless repeating cycles of pve.
It has always been a PvP focused game.
More or less yes... but one of the big problems is that players that dont want to do pvp, is that when they do what other Things than pvp, pvp gets forced upon them, even tho they dont want to.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:55:01 -
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ok 8/10 you bagged tippia and baltec
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Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2015.06.10 22:58:13 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:baltec1 wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote: And that states that EVE is becoming more and more a game for pvp players and not for those that dont like pvp or the endless repeating cycles of pve.
It has always been a PvP focused game. More or less yes... but one of the big problems is that players that dont want to do pvp, is that when they do what other Things than pvp, pvp gets forced upon them, even tho they dont want to.
Tough ****? You agree to PvP the second you undock. It's about time you understood that. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:00:20 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:In all, i cant say what New content should be, or for that matter, what i should hope it could be, but i do see players leaving the game more frequently than before. .... For anyone new to the forums; this subject has been beaten to death lately.
- There is longer the same skill queues, so people do not feel pressured to log in as frequently. - A lot of alliances are waiting to see what happens with Fuzzy Logic SOV. - The younger generation want immediate self gratification and don't understand the accomplishments that come with greater challenges (less new player retention) - We as a player base are getting old, having families, kids and developing "veteran burn out"
P.S. They really should put on the front page, "PVP sandbox game."
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:16:20 -
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The law of diminishing returns applies in this case imo.
All things will diminish in their appeal over time if done enough. Youll need more adrenaline in PvP so u fly bigger or more expensive ships so that its "worth" more and therefore gives you a bigger rush. Youll need bigger battles, better kills, more kills, etc. But eventually you wont get the same psychological return. The same goes with PvE. Isk making ceilings that CCP implements into the game with skills requirements, ship stats and other issues will limit this with a very few exceptions which will usually be nerfed, tailored back or removed by CCP to ensure isk inflation isnt to severe and to create a grind element that is inherent in almost all MMO style games these days.
Yes new content is added, but it is still of the variants of the old building blocks, in fact you really cannot give truly "new" content as youd have to rewrite the building blocks of your universe. So for those looking for "new", "fresh", "exciting" content in this way will leave disappointed. In this regard PvE newness is the quickest to master due to its nature of being coded AI and very limited in stature. It is in fact a limitation of AI and coding that PvP doesnt have in a sense but people are still an intelligence and still limited in many ways, even though Im sure many will argue that to be false. But because PvP is human to human interaction the unknown factors last a lot longer and therefore the unpredictability enhances the emotional, mental and psychological rewards and keeps it going longer. CCP then tries to extend this by changing the rules of the gaming world we live in to get a longer reward cycle.
Yet a person will still get to the point where your enjoyment diminishes over time in all areas of Eve. Its really inherent in any structure of real life as well.
Tbh this is occurring to me after 12 years so I understand the OPs POV. Im just thankful that Eve was deep enough that its lasted this long. Most games dont hold their appeal nearly that long. Hell Elite Dangerous lasted all of 2 weeks for me in comparison. To realize that the draws arent there anymore is a regretful thing. To want the old sweetness back is something that humanity has held onto for ages; the desire for the old to be young again and experience the joys of youth are a most classic example. Some can remake it, most unfortunately cant.
I still log in every day and show up, hoping for more of a spark, trying to get back into the banter with corpies and other random friends Ive found over the years, still shoot a few red crosses, or mine a few holds of ores, or shoot a few people in the face but I dont expect to get the same joy I felt in the first years Ive played. Sure maybe itll change but Im not under any delusions that it shall and Im okay with that and can accept that. Can praise CCP for what they have given me these 12 years and hope to spur on others to maybe see that there is more to it as well. But the desire to log in is less these days. Fewer goals, fewer things left to accomplish in game. But that is like growing old in real life as well.
Maybe its time to give back then? Maybe in the old age of Eve gaming we need to ask ourselves what we can give to a game thats provided us so much entertainment and joy? Or maybe its just the ramblings of the Old Eve man sitting on the jita 4-4 station park bench feeding the pigeons and watching the fights outside the station window..... maybe....
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:16:53 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:ok 8/10 you bagged tippia and baltec
Slow night and I need a distraction to stop me from buying a hat.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:18:36 -
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baltec1 wrote:... Slow night and I need a distraction to stop me from buying a hat. To cover a growing bald spot? Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:... Maybe its time to give back then? Maybe in the old age of Eve gaming we need to ask ourselves what we can give to a game thats provided us so much entertainment and joy? Or maybe its just the ramblings of the Old Eve man sitting on the jita 4-4 station park bench feeding the pigeons and watching the fights outside the station window..... maybe.... I keep accidentally helping newbies.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:33:45 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote:Was in a discussion with some previous and current eve players i know. Most of them has quit, or is about to quit, mostly due to lack of content.
frankly, i stopped reading at this point.
there is no lack of content in eve...i repeat, there is NO lack of content in eve. the content is derived from players and their interactions with other players.
bottom line is this OP:
if you think there is a lack of content in eve, this isn't the game for you. i'm not trying to diss you, but let you know that the problem lies with you, not with the game.
eve online original intro
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.10 23:36:28 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:baltec1 wrote:... Slow night and I need a distraction to stop me from buying a hat. To cover a growing bald spot?
My locks are full and bouncy!
I have no idea why I want it. Might be some inner britishness that makes me crave it
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