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Porcelina
Evil Young Flesh
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Posted - 2015.06.11 11:06:27 -
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Hiya,
It's time to fix this life sucking problem. A few months ago it was very rare, but I have had it 3 days in the last 7 and been basically unable to do anything, since I am drone focused.
Problem: In nullsec anomolies, rats will immediately aggress my drones every time I launch them, for 24hrs.
-Warping out and back does not stop it -Relogging does not stop it -All anomolies and belt rats will immediately aggress my drones in the system it started for 24hrs
The only option is to move to another system until the aggression is reset by downtime. This might sound like no big deal, but I don't currently have another safe system to rat in, so I had to log off for 3 days this week.
Other players in our alliance are reporting the same thing, so it is not just me.
Please fix it. When it was once a month, it was tolerable, but not 3 days out of 7. I will go play another game until this is fixed.
Regards |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1096
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Posted - 2015.06.11 11:09:20 -
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Did you send a bug report while it was happening? That might help respective people immensely. |
Porcelina
Evil Young Flesh
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Posted - 2015.06.11 11:13:08 -
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I am not sure if it is a bug or intentional. I will definitely submit a ticket next time though. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1090
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Posted - 2015.06.11 11:14:27 -
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Porcelina wrote:Hiya,
It's time to fix this life sucking problem. A few months ago it was very rare, but I have had it 3 days in the last 7 and been basically unable to do anything, since I am drone focused.
Problem: In nullsec anomolies, rats will immediately aggress my drones every time I launch them, for 24hrs.
-Warping out and back does not stop it -Relogging does not stop it -All anomolies and belt rats will immediately aggress my drones in the system it started for 24hrs
The only option is to move to another system until the aggression is reset by downtime. This might sound like no big deal, but I don't currently have another safe system to rat in, so I had to log off for 3 days this week.
Other players in our alliance are reporting the same thing, so it is not just me.
Please fix it. When it was once a month, it was tolerable, but not 3 days out of 7. I will go play another game until this is fixed.
Regards
So your problem is that NPC pirates are too good and you can't deal with them??
or
So your problem is that you can't afk ishtard/archon for isk?
or
So your problem is null is too difficult and you can't figure out why the only safe null system is against you?
This is the most blantant entitlement thread I have seen to date. If you can't deal with NPC agression on your drones - don't blame the game, swap to a non drone ship. Do you think eve should just give you isk for free???
-100 due to self entitled whining about NPCs being to difficult in null sec. |
HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
788
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Posted - 2015.06.11 11:15:19 -
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Until that may be clarified by CCP. Have you tried to draw aggression to your ship by using remote-Modules, e.g. Remote Sensor Booster or Target painter for example? Would try 2x Target Painters maybe?
Keep Smile and Kill, You can not wave them all!
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Porcelina
Evil Young Flesh
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Posted - 2015.06.11 11:25:47 -
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Wow some people...
Anyways, yes. I have tried target painters, remote reps, and guns. I have been playing since 2009, so I am not a noob. This is clearly a strange 24hr aggression state that will not change in any conditions I can find. I have talked to other players with the same problems recently as well. It is especially painful to our new members who can fly nothing but a Vexor or Ishtar.
If you move to another system, the rat aggression is back to normal. If you then go back to the problem system, you find it still happens, until after the next downtime. We have tested it over and over, so not user error or newbness.
Regards
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Fascist Jockitch
ELUSH Rehab
15
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Posted - 2015.06.11 11:33:29 -
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I have had the same problem doing havens in a ishtar with heavy drones. It only happens a couple of times a month though. Not a disaster, but definitely wonky. |
Trajan Unknown
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.11 12:47:45 -
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Porcelina wrote:Wow some people...
Anyways, yes. I have tried target painters, remote reps, and guns. I have been playing since 2009, so I am not a noob. This is clearly a strange 24hr aggression state that will not change in any conditions I can find. I have talked to other players with the same problems recently as well. It is especially painful to our new members who can fly nothing but a Vexor or Ishtar.
If you move to another system, the rat aggression is back to normal. If you then go back to the problem system, you find it still happens, until after the next downtime. We have tested it over and over, so not user error or newbness.
Regards
But you are aware that CCP is playing around with the AI behaviour using Drifters to go extreme? Maybe you encountered one of these changes and personally would love to see this becoming more. That the AI is targeting your ship when it has no damage is pretty ********. Get rid of the drones and tackle the "mother" to kill her after damage is wiped.
A week ago while observing a system in zero-zero I had Guristas? warping around from gate to gate and checking belts after. Not sure if they went to the station too but it looked like they-¦re patrolling. That might be old news but well, the AI seems to get buffed and that-¦s good. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
299
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Posted - 2015.06.11 12:54:47 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Porcelina wrote:Hiya,
It's time to fix this life sucking problem. A few months ago it was very rare, but I have had it 3 days in the last 7 and been basically unable to do anything, since I am drone focused.
Problem: In nullsec anomolies, rats will immediately aggress my drones every time I launch them, for 24hrs.
-Warping out and back does not stop it -Relogging does not stop it -All anomolies and belt rats will immediately aggress my drones in the system it started for 24hrs
The only option is to move to another system until the aggression is reset by downtime. This might sound like no big deal, but I don't currently have another safe system to rat in, so I had to log off for 3 days this week.
Other players in our alliance are reporting the same thing, so it is not just me.
Please fix it. When it was once a month, it was tolerable, but not 3 days out of 7. I will go play another game until this is fixed.
Regards So your problem is that NPC pirates are too good and you can't deal with them?? or So your problem is that you can't afk ishtard/archon for isk? or So your problem is null is too difficult and you can't figure out why the only safe null system is against you? This is the most blantant entitlement thread I have seen to date. If you can't deal with NPC agression on your drones - don't blame the game, swap to a non drone ship. Do you think eve should just give you isk for free??? -100 due to self entitled whining about NPCs being to difficult in null sec. i thought rants are against forum rules.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1092
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Posted - 2015.06.11 17:03:05 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Porcelina wrote:Hiya,
It's time to fix this life sucking problem. A few months ago it was very rare, but I have had it 3 days in the last 7 and been basically unable to do anything, since I am drone focused.
Problem: In nullsec anomolies, rats will immediately aggress my drones every time I launch them, for 24hrs.
-Warping out and back does not stop it -Relogging does not stop it -All anomolies and belt rats will immediately aggress my drones in the system it started for 24hrs
The only option is to move to another system until the aggression is reset by downtime. This might sound like no big deal, but I don't currently have another safe system to rat in, so I had to log off for 3 days this week.
Other players in our alliance are reporting the same thing, so it is not just me.
Please fix it. When it was once a month, it was tolerable, but not 3 days out of 7. I will go play another game until this is fixed.
Regards So your problem is that NPC pirates are too good and you can't deal with them?? or So your problem is that you can't afk ishtard/archon for isk? or So your problem is null is too difficult and you can't figure out why the only safe null system is against you? This is the most blantant entitlement thread I have seen to date. If you can't deal with NPC agression on your drones - don't blame the game, swap to a non drone ship. Do you think eve should just give you isk for free??? -100 due to self entitled whining about NPCs being to difficult in null sec. i thought rants are against forum rules.
I'm ok with that as long as you add in pampered self entitled whines. If this is a problem then you are bad at eve and you should feel bad about being that bad. This whole thing is rediculous. That more than on person agrees with this 'problem' is borderline astonishing. |
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Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
502
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Posted - 2015.06.11 22:25:14 -
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I was beginning to wonder how they were going to nerf the Ishtar into irrelevance good job CCP, working as intended.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1094
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Posted - 2015.06.12 11:06:03 -
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Iyokus Patrouette wrote:I was beginning to wonder how they were going to nerf the Ishtar into irrelevance good job CCP, working as intended.
Saddly this doesn't help much for pvp. I'm not sure why are holding on to that mess so tightly. (does Fuzzie fly ishtards or just all his pals???)
I was on mumble last night talking to some folks and though I can't provide a smoking gun for evidence there is a move to make afk drone pve a thing of the history books. Sorry folks, you had a good run, but the credits are getting ready to roll on game of drones. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
415
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:38:35 -
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Porcelina wrote:Anyways, yes. I have tried target painters, remote reps, and guns.
Have you tried a forced deagress (ie: ECM)? My own experience is that standard NPCs will always target what has jammed them (provided they're properly jammed) as soon as they can... If you can get NPCs to unlock your drones (by jamming them), give them a target they're really rabid for (the ECM ship) and they still stay stuck on your drones then there is clearly an issue.
I'd suggest using solid drones during the attempt of course...
Have you tried giving them their head? Deploy a flight of T1 lights, set them going and let the entire flight get destroyed, see if that flicks some kind of switch in their AI to get them looking for new targets?
Finally have you noticed other NPC behaviours which might be cause or indicative? The one which springs to mind are the NPCs spawning on station (or in belt) and continuously burning away. This behaviour has been connected to spawn bugs (low or inconsistent spawn rates...etc), killing the bugged spawn seemed to solve the problem in that case - though of course it takes a fair while because you have to pursue them over however many hundreds of kilometers they've crossed... |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1098
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:04:59 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Porcelina wrote:Anyways, yes. I have tried target painters, remote reps, and guns. Have you tried a forced deagress (ie: ECM)? My own experience is that standard NPCs will always target what has jammed them (provided they're properly jammed) as soon as they can... If you can get NPCs to unlock your drones (by jamming them), give them a target they're really rabid for (the ECM ship) and they still stay stuck on your drones then there is clearly an issue. [...]
Just assuming since it was posted the way it was, that drones really were getting aggressed 23/7 in the OPs case. I am roughly familiar with that: Running RR-domis (capchains, multiple painters, remote sebos, RR active) with sentries NEVER has your drones catching aggressions. Literally, never. Yet I ran them a day and lost two sets of sentries on each, first wave went wtf and second wave I went home. I didn't think of opening a ticket on that, but someone with fresh gamelogs should certainly do that, pretty please.
This is one of those issues that drive you mad on one day and you forget about it the next. Without someone stepping up this will be a while until anyone becomes aware of this behaviour on the devs' side. |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
308
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Posted - 2015.06.12 15:38:49 -
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Bear wiith me as i dont fly drone boats, but have used sentries on my arty mach.
1. Why cant you scoop the one thats being targeted and then redrop? Preventing them from taking excessive damage.
2. Slapping a RR module on a HP bonused drone doesnt pull aggro or allow your drone to "tank" the damage? I know in drone/angel space, it took awhile for them to wittle my drone HP down. That was on unbonused drones too. If i had RR my drones could tank indefinitely. This was running sanctums/hordes.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1095
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:57:23 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:Bear wiith me as i dont fly drone boats, but have used sentries on my arty mach.
1. Why cant you scoop the one thats being targeted and then redrop? Preventing them from taking excessive damage.
2. Slapping a RR module on a HP bonused drone doesnt pull aggro or allow your drone to "tank" the damage? I know in drone/angel space, it took awhile for them to wittle my drone HP down. That was on unbonused drones too. If i had RR my drones could tank indefinitely. This was running sanctums/hordes.
Your ideas all involve the player paying attention to what is going during pve. You're missing their point. |
Fourteen Maken
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Enemy Spotted.
165
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Posted - 2015.06.13 16:12:01 -
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Am I missing something? because when I was doing pve in nulsec with a raven months ago the rats ALWAYS aggressed my drones and I was constantly having to recycle them to keep them alive. I had to send drones after frigates while shooting battleships and cruisers with missiles, manage target painters, and count missile volleys so as not to waste them... just having to recycle buffed drones sounds easy, why is this making people dock up? |
Hiyora Akachi
Perkone Caldari State
226
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:23:51 -
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Fourteen Maken wrote:Am I missing something? because when I was doing pve in nulsec with a raven months ago the rats ALWAYS aggressed my drones and I was constantly having to recycle them to keep them alive. I had to send drones after frigates while shooting battleships and cruisers with missiles, manage target painters, and count missile volleys so as not to waste them... just having to recycle buffed drones sounds easy, why is this making people dock up?
Because playing the game is hard, thats why they got an Ishtar. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1469
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:51:32 -
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there's been a whole slew of back-end changes to some of the npc/drone interactions tbh they are quite old changes
frigates don't like Medium/Large sized drones etc. switch agro to the main dps source, your drones and so on ....
e-war or remote reps can keep npc aggro on you
where drones are viable targets over your ship ... target & drone management becomes very important |
Professor Bonehead
Evil Young Flesh
2
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Posted - 2015.06.26 13:30:47 -
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This exact problem has happened to me 2 times this week. We are not talking about normal drone aggression mechanics. This is clearly broken drone aggression that won't stop for 24hrs. No matter what fit or anomaly, the rats instantly aggress my drones every time I launch them. The only thing I can do is move to another system. I filed a bug report. |
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Professor Bonehead
Evil Young Flesh
3
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Posted - 2015.07.20 14:34:19 -
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I have the same problem again today. The rats instantly aggress my drones every time I launch them. Doesn't matter what anomaly I move to. Logging off doesn't fix it. All I can do is wait until the next downtime.
Please take a look at this issue. Drone aggression is broken. |
Orlacc
883
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Posted - 2015.07.20 16:33:04 -
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I remember a similar situation when AFK Domis were nerfed years back...
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
185
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Posted - 2015.07.20 19:16:37 -
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Professor Bonehead wrote:I have the same problem again today. The rats instantly aggress my drones every time I launch them. Doesn't matter what anomaly I move to. Logging off doesn't fix it. All I can do is wait until the next downtime.
Please take a look at this issue. Drone aggression is broken.
To expand upon Serendipity Lost's comments from earlier, why not use this to your advantage? If you launch and recall your drones like a bunch of yo-yo's, while the AI is frantically switching between attacking you or the drones, you've heavily negated a lot of incoming DPS. This sounds like a good thing that can be taken advantage of.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Legatus1982
State Protectorate Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.07.20 19:49:09 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Professor Bonehead wrote:I have the same problem again today. The rats instantly aggress my drones every time I launch them. Doesn't matter what anomaly I move to. Logging off doesn't fix it. All I can do is wait until the next downtime.
Please take a look at this issue. Drone aggression is broken. To expand upon Serendipity Lost's comments from earlier, why not use this to your advantage? If you launch and recall your drones like a bunch of yo-yo's, while the AI is frantically switching between attacking you or the drones, you've heavily negated a lot of incoming DPS. This sounds like a good thing that can be taken advantage of.
Yeah, frankly, the right thing to do is file the bug report, but I think most eve players would just use this ai glitch to tank the entire room with their drones allowing for even easier pve than before.
What you could try is dropping a flight of light drones or just one and let that Drone sig tank while your other 4 drones clean the room. Have the light orbit something far away then drop the sentries and see how the ai responds.
I'm sure when ccp realizes how potentially exploitable this behavior is it will be changed. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
752
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Posted - 2015.07.21 01:19:20 -
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Just to clarify that odd drone behaviour also happens in pvp - happend just a few hours ago somewhere in lowsec where a few buddies and I killed a bestower and an Oracle (yes people still fly those..).
So one of them had ecm-300's on my buddy and both pods made it out but still with both ships destroyed the drones kept my buddy locked and he couldn't recloak
I declare it a bug.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
706
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Posted - 2015.07.21 03:49:53 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote: I'm ok with that as long as you add in pampered self entitled whines. If this is a problem then you are bad at eve and you should feel bad about being that bad. This whole thing is rediculous. That more than on person agrees with this 'problem' is borderline astonishing.
Since getting I can't pve for a few days from one player....the rats are doing the smart thing. Killing the drones on drone boats for what we can assume its their only damage dealing ability. Good for the rats....they went outside the box with their thinking lol.
Until (or if actually fixed) slap on some high slots that actually shoot something, maybe some RR to keep drones around longer, go glass cannon fit on boat and have a blast. What I missed when aggro shift happened. Could spice up the pve in many ways. But that's me, I miss running my level 4 fit bombers (spec'd for torps ofc) to break up the monotony lol.
TBH....if this valid I may have some funky things to try out with some boats.
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Thron Legacy
White Zulu Scorpion Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.21 18:17:03 -
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seems like no one realizes the OP actually ran into an AI bug (as remote modules draw more aggro than drones, but didnt worked when he tried) and yes, i hate ishtards online |
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