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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
980
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Posted - 2015.06.16 15:08:26 -
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Elenahina wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:I wouldnt want to undock in HS during a wardec either. Simply because you cant tell what (how many neutral alts) you're going to face. LowSec or 0.0 on the other hand is a different story. Nullsec is easy. Shoot first and let the diplos sort out the mess. This is how I play in highsec too
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
172
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Posted - 2015.06.16 15:09:38 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:I wouldnt want to undock in HS during a wardec either. Simply because you cant tell what (how many neutral alts) you're going to face. LowSec or 0.0 on the other hand is a different story.
Meh. So you undock and find a small gang and you proceed to get rekt. Or you find a solo and you get rekt. Or you find a solo and THEY get rekt. Far too many "what ifs" for me to sit and shipspin. I COULD win, and that's what drives me to undock. I couldn't care less if I lost my Rattlesnake on the next undock; it's a chance I take regardless. The chances of losing your ship are just a little raised in a war.
Every time I hear someone offer an excuse as to why they hide from a wardec it just serves to remind me that I play EvE a very different way than some. Thanks for the replies, all. |
Nihta
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.06.16 15:21:08 -
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If a day goes by wehre I play EVE and don't lose a ship I likely had a very boring day (Or an extremely good one which is much more rare) |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
2324
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Posted - 2015.06.16 17:24:10 -
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Apologies for not poasting this sooner, a complete (simple to follow) guide on how to survive wardecs, without just docking up.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2550
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Posted - 2015.06.16 19:12:44 -
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The best is when your diplomats are me and Yuller since our ideas of "sort it out" are to make it worse, escalate the situation and otherwise make everything go as badly as possible.
It's even worse if we're both there daring each other to "just dec all of them". |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2562
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Posted - 2015.06.17 07:36:08 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:The best is when your diplomats are me and Yuller since our ideas of "sort it out" are to make it worse, escalate the situation and otherwise make everything go as badly as possible. Confirming they're terrible diplomats
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Grima The Mad
Alwar Fleet
89
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Posted - 2015.06.17 08:04:01 -
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I've seen this quite a bit since I started playing a couple years ago. Several of the corps I was in had this thing about hiding from war targets, I don't get it either. Especially in high sec, if you can't get away from your war targets you're doing it wrong. The only issue we've really had with our wars is that people don't listen, tell someone to take down a tower, they're lazy, don't expect them to do it. The only issue you could really run into is out of war alts but if you're paying attention that's not even an issue. Also, diplomacy is for the weak and mentally damaged. Just set fire to everything and cook some marshmallows.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1002
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Posted - 2015.06.17 11:08:09 -
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You know what the problem with wardec corps are. They never camp all alone without support in untanked t3's agressing every bait ship that comes by.
No wait... this does actually happen. Never know till you try I guess
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2562
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Posted - 2015.06.18 02:49:21 -
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If only they often sat in the same spot suspect flagged for hours at a time.
Or had hundreds to thousands or even tens of thousands of other people they're at war with who you could cooperate with. |
Rawmeat Mary
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
64
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Posted - 2015.06.18 03:12:18 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:If only they often sat in the same spot suspect flagged for hours at a time.
Or had hundreds to thousands or even tens of thousands of other people they're at war with who you could cooperate with. Of course this is fantasy thinking, NEVER would this happen.
'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing.
And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'
Yeah, we're like that.
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Lane Wyeth-XXVI
Aurora Security
0
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Posted - 2015.06.19 08:03:47 -
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Funny thing is my corp got 4 wardecs in 3 days and we somehow fought 1 wardec off and made them resign the war...
However the corp has a sense of suicidal tendency to it and may end up trying to t1 frig fight the next corp to wardec us since then...
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1024
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Posted - 2015.06.19 13:20:26 -
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Lane Wyeth-XXVI wrote:Funny thing is my corp got 4 wardecs in 3 days and we somehow fought 1 wardec off and made them resign the war...
However the corp has a sense of suicidal tendency to it and may end up trying to t1 frig fight the next corp to wardec us since then...
Moral of the story is fighting back isnt always best Eventually you will learn all the ways to not do it by losing. Then you will start scoring kills and if you learn your lessons winning the wars
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2031
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Posted - 2015.06.19 13:28:38 -
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I still suck at hunting war targets. I try, but more often than not I end up scaring the fish. Then I get frustrated and go back to annoying bears until people who are more competent than me log on.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Valkin Mordirc
1129
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:02:50 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I still suck at hunting war targets. I try, but more often than not I end up scaring the fish. Then I get frustrated and go back to annoying bears until people who are more competent than me log on.
You can hunt me any time Omar. *wink wink*
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
815
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:03:22 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I still suck at hunting war targets. I try, but more often than not I end up scaring the fish. Then I get frustrated and go back to annoying bears until people who are more competent than me log on. You can hunt me any time Omar. *wink wink*
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2031
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Posted - 2015.06.19 14:23:26 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I still suck at hunting war targets. I try, but more often than not I end up scaring the fish. Then I get frustrated and go back to annoying bears until people who are more competent than me log on. You can hunt me any time Omar. *wink wink* no! pick me pick me pick me
Nuh uh. We're all warlike and stuff. I'll play with you Valkin. I'm usually up and about in the mornings and our corp code requires we honor 1v1's and stuff. Not that I wouldn't. Sling me a mail and I'll meet up with you in a ship of similar class and we can duke it out sometime. It'll be fun. There may even be slaves and exotic dancers in my hold. I'd much rather go up against someone who wants to fight than try to get my ninja on against scaredybears who are pretty sure the sky is falling.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
448
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Posted - 2015.06.20 21:26:38 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:I wouldnt want to undock in HS during a wardec either. Simply because you cant tell what (how many neutral alts) you're going to face. LowSec or 0.0 on the other hand is a different story. Meh. So you undock and find a small gang and you proceed to get rekt. Or you find a solo and you get rekt. Or you find a solo and THEY get rekt. Far too many "what ifs" for me to sit and shipspin. I COULD win, and that's what drives me to undock. I couldn't care less if I lost my Rattlesnake on the next undock; it's a chance I take regardless. The chances of losing your ship are just a little raised in a war. Every time I hear someone offer an excuse as to why they hide from a wardec it just serves to remind me that I play EvE a very different way than some. Thanks for the replies, all.
Eventually you run out of ISK for ships though, if you keep undocking expensive things into a hopeless situation. Unless your primary income comes from another account, which changes the calculation considerably. Many people in highsec who get wardecced are not on that position though.
Personally I think telling people to undock into a fight they have almost no chance of winning is just as problematic as telling people not to undock unless for a sure win.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1035
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Posted - 2015.06.21 00:32:10 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:I wouldnt want to undock in HS during a wardec either. Simply because you cant tell what (how many neutral alts) you're going to face. LowSec or 0.0 on the other hand is a different story. Meh. So you undock and find a small gang and you proceed to get rekt. Or you find a solo and you get rekt. Or you find a solo and THEY get rekt. Far too many "what ifs" for me to sit and shipspin. I COULD win, and that's what drives me to undock. I couldn't care less if I lost my Rattlesnake on the next undock; it's a chance I take regardless. The chances of losing your ship are just a little raised in a war. Every time I hear someone offer an excuse as to why they hide from a wardec it just serves to remind me that I play EvE a very different way than some. Thanks for the replies, all. Eventually you run out of ISK for ships though, if you keep undocking expensive things into a hopeless situation. Unless your primary income comes from another account, which changes the calculation considerably. Many people in highsec who get wardecced are not in that position though. Personally I think telling people to undock into a fight they have almost no chance of winning is just as problematic as telling people not to undock unless for a sure win. How do you know you can't win? You need to try things to know what you can and can not win. I've had a Tristan kill my ishkur with a Deimos(me) on field. I've fielded a Tristan against an Aug a Bb a maller and 13 frigates/ destroyers going 10+1 pod for 1 loss. My only regret was I didn't have links present. I have taken a 4 man fleet to kill a guy and called scatter after we lost one and I was about to hit hull. Now in hind site I should have known that 3 cruisers and a frig would struggle to break a hype. But as I had never flown one or fought a competent one I didn't. To put this into context this all happened during my stays at Marmite. How does one know what is and is not possible without experience? And who are you to say it is not without a single bit of on field knowledge? How dare you try and make this wide eyed newbro into a bitter vet before their time. Shame on you
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
2902
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Posted - 2015.06.21 04:49:34 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:I wouldnt want to undock in HS during a wardec either. Simply because you cant tell what (how many neutral alts) you're going to face. LowSec or 0.0 on the other hand is a different story. Meh. So you undock and find a small gang and you proceed to get rekt. Or you find a solo and you get rekt. Or you find a solo and THEY get rekt. Far too many "what ifs" for me to sit and shipspin. I COULD win, and that's what drives me to undock. I couldn't care less if I lost my Rattlesnake on the next undock; it's a chance I take regardless. The chances of losing your ship are just a little raised in a war. Every time I hear someone offer an excuse as to why they hide from a wardec it just serves to remind me that I play EvE a very different way than some. Thanks for the replies, all. Eventually you run out of ISK for ships though, if you keep undocking expensive things into a hopeless situation. Unless your primary income comes from another account, which changes the calculation considerably. Many people in highsec who get wardecced are not in that position though. Personally I think telling people to undock into a fight they have almost no chance of winning is just as problematic as telling people not to undock unless for a sure win.
The best advice is to leave highsec. Wardecs don't matter then.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
589
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Posted - 2015.06.21 05:59:21 -
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Leto Thule wrote:
The best advice is to leave highsec. Wardecs don't matter then.
LOL - talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Just relentlessly drop and reform corp, and it will be the griefers who are the ones fleeing to nullsec. |
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2051
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Posted - 2015.06.21 06:31:29 -
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Veers, you know there aren't any griefers in EVE.... they're too busy on public minecraft servers to have anything to do with internet spaceships.
So, hypothetically speaking. If I were to form a 1 man corp and wardec you Veers, would you reform and dodge the dec... or would you come out and play with me? It wouldn't be unfair. I'm pretty bad at pvp and you've got some nullsec green on your killboard. I'd pretty much be at a disadvantage.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1037
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Posted - 2015.06.21 08:28:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Leto Thule wrote:
The best advice is to leave highsec. Wardecs don't matter then.
LOL - talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Just relentlessly drop and reform corp, and it will be the griefers who are the ones fleeing to nullsec. I almost liked a veers post. Then he kept talking...
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
589
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Posted - 2015.06.21 15:40:28 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Veers, you know there aren't any griefers in EVE.... they're too busy on public minecraft servers to have anything to do with internet spaceships.
So, hypothetically speaking. If I were to form a 1 man corp and wardec you Veers, would you reform and dodge the dec... or would you come out and play with me? It wouldn't be unfair. I'm pretty bad at pvp and you've got some nullsec green on your killboard. I'd pretty much be at a disadvantage.
The former, of course. The art of winning is denying your opponents the opportunity to force you play THEIR game. Wardeccs aren't just about killing things, they are about forcing PvE players to PvP without CONCORD backup. Actually fighting the war means the wardeccer wins. |
Mag's
the united
19634
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Posted - 2015.06.21 15:50:36 -
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Damn Eve and it's sandbox nature. This must change!
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It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
454
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Posted - 2015.06.22 00:38:48 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:I wouldnt want to undock in HS during a wardec either. Simply because you cant tell what (how many neutral alts) you're going to face. LowSec or 0.0 on the other hand is a different story. Meh. So you undock and find a small gang and you proceed to get rekt. Or you find a solo and you get rekt. Or you find a solo and THEY get rekt. Far too many "what ifs" for me to sit and shipspin. I COULD win, and that's what drives me to undock. I couldn't care less if I lost my Rattlesnake on the next undock; it's a chance I take regardless. The chances of losing your ship are just a little raised in a war. Every time I hear someone offer an excuse as to why they hide from a wardec it just serves to remind me that I play EvE a very different way than some. Thanks for the replies, all. Eventually you run out of ISK for ships though, if you keep undocking expensive things into a hopeless situation. Unless your primary income comes from another account, which changes the calculation considerably. Many people in highsec who get wardecced are not in that position though. Personally I think telling people to undock into a fight they have almost no chance of winning is just as problematic as telling people not to undock unless for a sure win. How do you know you can't win? You need to try things to know what you can and can not win. I've had a Tristan kill my ishkur with a Deimos(me) on field. I've fielded a Tristan against an Aug a Bb a maller and 13 frigates/ destroyers going 10+1 pod for 1 loss. My only regret was I didn't have links present. I have taken a 4 man fleet to kill a guy and called scatter after we lost one and I was about to hit hull. Now in hind site I should have known that 3 cruisers and a frig would struggle to break a hype. But as I had never flown one or fought a competent one I didn't. To put this into context this all happened during my stays at Marmite. How does one know what is and is not possible without experience? And who are you to say it is not without a single bit of on field knowledge? How dare you try and make this wide eyed newbro into a bitter vet before their time. Shame on you
Would you undock a Hyperion in the face of a competent pilot in a Vindicator with two neutral guardians for support?
You and I both know there are situations where it is wasteful to engage.
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Mobadder Thworst
Noob Farmers Bad Neighbors.
453
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Posted - 2015.06.22 01:14:13 -
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Hey, I'm in Bad Neighbors.
Despite the name, we actually want you to have fun... We're just guys who play Eve as a hunting game.
When you take a PVE break and start playing pvp, it's like finding out "modern warfare" is embedded in your copy of "candy crush".
I trained several of the senior players in bad neighbors and would happily train you too.
We have some t3, but certainly we're not all t3.
We lose ships routinely and rarely muster more than 3 or 4 pilots for a fight. In fact, we encourage our pilots to take risks and lose ships.
My recommendation is fight. Losing a few imaginary spaceships is no big deal... We're not evil. We're just playing in a way you don't understand yet. My guess is you would like it.
Have fun... And never put up with a corp who tries to prevent it. You paid your subscription... Always do it your way.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1042
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Posted - 2015.06.22 10:07:26 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:I wouldnt want to undock in HS during a wardec either. Simply because you cant tell what (how many neutral alts) you're going to face. LowSec or 0.0 on the other hand is a different story. Meh. So you undock and find a small gang and you proceed to get rekt. Or you find a solo and you get rekt. Or you find a solo and THEY get rekt. Far too many "what ifs" for me to sit and shipspin. I COULD win, and that's what drives me to undock. I couldn't care less if I lost my Rattlesnake on the next undock; it's a chance I take regardless. The chances of losing your ship are just a little raised in a war. Every time I hear someone offer an excuse as to why they hide from a wardec it just serves to remind me that I play EvE a very different way than some. Thanks for the replies, all. Eventually you run out of ISK for ships though, if you keep undocking expensive things into a hopeless situation. Unless your primary income comes from another account, which changes the calculation considerably. Many people in highsec who get wardecced are not in that position though. Personally I think telling people to undock into a fight they have almost no chance of winning is just as problematic as telling people not to undock unless for a sure win. How do you know you can't win? You need to try things to know what you can and can not win. I've had a Tristan kill my ishkur with a Deimos(me) on field. I've fielded a Tristan against an Aug a Bb a maller and 13 frigates/ destroyers going 10+1 pod for 1 loss. My only regret was I didn't have links present. I have taken a 4 man fleet to kill a guy and called scatter after we lost one and I was about to hit hull. Now in hind site I should have known that 3 cruisers and a frig would struggle to break a hype. But as I had never flown one or fought a competent one I didn't. To put this into context this all happened during my stays at Marmite. How does one know what is and is not possible without experience? And who are you to say it is not without a single bit of on field knowledge? How dare you try and make this wide eyed newbro into a bitter vet before their time. Shame on you Would you undock a Hyperion in the face of a competent pilot in a Vindicator with two neutral guardians for support? You and I both know there are situations where it is wasteful to engage. I apologize for advocating that particular instance. No wait I didn't... I said have fun and learn what you can win. How do you know there are 2 neutral guards? You need to experiment to find this out. Once you do make notes of who owns what neutrals etc. Then you can plan appropriately on how to dunk them. Fear of the unknown is silly and nonconstructive
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Valkin Mordirc
1138
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Posted - 2015.06.22 10:25:07 -
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A lot of Highsec PVE'er often come across the notion that Wardeccers have a myriad of alts at their disposal. The truth is most don't. My time in Merc corps I've seen maybe a 7 to 1 ratio for players who have two accounts, and use both in Highsec. Most of those are just scouts. T2 Scanning ships, So out of seven players im the merc corp I was in. Only one had a scout.
I've seen players run with Links/Logi/Combat as well. But those guys are far and few between.
I have seen players who can undock 6 Nestors have all fleet boosts available and undock three Vindi's. However out my time in playing EVE I've only ever met one person who could do that out of the thousands I've interacted with.
If you do encounter a person like it's likely you'll die because your 3 to 1. ****** yeah but most people leave a very easy trail of breadcrumbs to Alts.
Sales Posts, Corp History, The fact they both get kills together a lot. It's very easy to look around and check on who is who and what they can bring.
I'm sure if you did the same to be you find all my alts fairly quickly, and you would know what to bring to deal with me.
But my original point is. Out of the 500 wardecers out there only about 50 of them run multiple logi accounts, Links and a Combat toon at the same time. So treating all wardecers like few is silly when information is so easily obtained.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
203
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Posted - 2015.06.22 14:46:58 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:Hey, I'm in Bad Neighbors.
Despite the name, we actually want you to have fun... We're just guys who play Eve as a hunting game.
When you take a PVE break and start playing pvp, it's like finding out "modern warfare" is embedded in your copy of "candy crush".
I trained several of the senior players in bad neighbors and would happily train you too.
We have some t3, but certainly we're not all t3.
We lose ships routinely and rarely muster more than 3 or 4 pilots for a fight. In fact, we encourage our pilots to take risks and lose ships.
My recommendation is fight. Losing a few imaginary spaceships is no big deal... We're not evil. We're just playing in a way you don't understand yet. My guess is you would like it.
Have fun... And never put up with a corp who tries to prevent it. You paid your subscription... Always do it your way.
Mo
Edit- since I joined bad neighbors I have not yet used logi support.
I'm not saying we will never use it, but I haven't yet even been in fleet with it.
And I've lost ships!
I wish I had been able to find you guys while still in corp. This post makes me smile.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6317
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:09:33 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Veers, you know there aren't any griefers in EVE.... they're too busy on public minecraft servers to have anything to do with internet spaceships.
So, hypothetically speaking. If I were to form a 1 man corp and wardec you Veers, would you reform and dodge the dec... or would you come out and play with me? It wouldn't be unfair. I'm pretty bad at pvp and you've got some nullsec green on your killboard. I'd pretty much be at a disadvantage. The former, of course. The art of winning is denying your opponents the opportunity to force you play THEIR game. Wardeccs aren't just about killing things, they are about forcing PvE players to PvP without CONCORD backup. Actually fighting the war means the wardeccer wins. Not normally being one to directly agree with Veers, with him simply being the other extreme opposite the "Everyone must be forced to die!" crowd, but this is very much the truth of it. If someone has no interest in the "pew pew" variety of PvP, they aren't forced to do that. EVE gives people plenty of options and evasion is simply one of them, and generally the most efficient one for small groups with no space assets and zero interest in shooting people.
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