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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.13 11:22:36 -
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Hi everyone!
No this is not a troll thread. I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
I read CCP Falcon's thread up at the top of GD describing how input-automation is an illegal offense that can get you banned on your 2nd strike, but I wanted some clarification as to what they mean by input automation.
When I play I usually have 3 toons logged in all at once on 3 seperate clients all running on the same computer. I alt+tab to switch between toons and input all of the ship commands for my 3-man fleet manually. Took me a while to get the hang of it, but its gotten to the point now that I can alt+tab between the 3 clients and command all 3 ships almost seamlessly. I never use 3rd party software, just the game clients themselves.
So is how I'm playing with my 3 toons allowed? I'm asking because I don't want to be doing something illegal that could get me banned from my beloved game lol. |
Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.06.13 11:25:44 -
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First off, ALT+TAB? What year is this again? :P
Secondly, if that's all you're doing, nothing to worry about.
It's when you are using something like IsBoxer to send input to one character and have software carry it over to all the other windows. That's "trying too hard" to be fun to play with in the sandbox.
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
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Posted - 2015.06.13 11:25:44 -
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First off, ALT+TAB? What year is this again? :P
Secondly, if that's all you're doing, nothing to worry about.
It's when you are using something like IsBoxer to send input to one character and have software carry it over to all the other windows. That's "trying too hard" to be fun to play with in the sandbox.
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.13 11:36:56 -
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Input-Automation: You perform an action on one client (e.g, activating a module), and software will simultaneously sends that command into the other clients.
Not Input Automation: You activate the module on each client with your mouse or keyboard.
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
697
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:12:12 -
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I fail to see the "automation" part of your actions.
What exactly do you automate that needs testing against the rules? |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:14:28 -
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Anybody have the link to that handy flowchart?
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
377
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:16:49 -
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You can use a program like synergy to use one mouse over several screens and computers so you only have to use one keyboard and mouse as well. But on each client it has to be its own keypress or mouse click, no cloning keypresses or mouse clicks to other clients from one client.
Both IsBoxer and synergy have keystroke/mouse cloning options which CCP made illegal in Jan. The software still has uses but its minimal now rather than the rampant I can control 50 clients with one keystroke issue that was going on.
So what your doing is perfectly legal. Also... get more screen real estate NOAW!! Its well worth it to not have to alt tab and it doesnt cost much these days.
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Do Little
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:30:47 -
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There is an approved multi-boxing tool called EVE-O at https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=389086. May cut down on the need to ALT+TAB |
Jeanne Tivianne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:49:48 -
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Link 404s sir. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.06.13 12:51:57 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=389086
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Jeanne Tivianne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.13 13:16:26 -
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Much appreciated, I am still a bit simple-minded when it comes to computers. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.13 13:18:32 -
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wat's wrong with alt-tabbing? 0.o
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1465
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Posted - 2015.06.13 14:01:22 -
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You play eve and don't have 2+ monitors?
Wow, prolly still on win xp
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
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Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1465
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Posted - 2015.06.13 14:01:22 -
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You play eve and don't have 2+ monitors?
Wow, prolly still on win xp
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
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Nevil Oscillator
203
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Posted - 2015.06.13 18:49:19 -
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Wats wrong with win xp ? |
OverlordY
Interspan
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Posted - 2015.06.13 21:51:11 -
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Or just play fullscreen windowed and use the taskbar.. |
lost packet
GamCorp Almost Broken
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Posted - 2015.06.13 23:57:34 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:First off, ALT+TAB? What year is this again? :P
Secondly, if that's all you're doing, nothing to worry about.
It's when you are using something like IsBoxer to send input to one character and have software carry it over to all the other windows. That's "trying too hard" to be fun to play with in the sandbox.
2 monitors, 6 clients.
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lost packet
GamCorp Almost Broken
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Posted - 2015.06.14 00:01:12 -
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Cyborg Girl86 wrote:Hi everyone!
No this is not a troll thread. I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
I read CCP Falcon's thread up at the top of GD describing how input-automation is an illegal offense that can get you banned on your 2nd strike, but I wanted some clarification as to what they mean by input automation.
When I play I usually have 3 toons logged in all at once on 3 seperate clients all running on the same computer. I alt+tab to switch between toons and input all of the ship commands for my 3-man fleet manually. Took me a while to get the hang of it, but its gotten to the point now that I can alt+tab between the 3 clients and command all 3 ships almost seamlessly. I never use 3rd party software, just the game clients themselves.
So is how I'm playing with my 3 toons allowed? I'm asking because I don't want to be doing something illegal that could get me banned from my beloved game lol.
having 3 eve clients open on a computer with 1,2 or even 3 monitors is legal, whereby you have to activate each window in say a combat scenario and press F1 on each client is fine.
Running isBoxer or similar utilities to press F1 across all clients at the same time is against the EULA.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2015.06.14 00:59:42 -
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Cyborg Girl86 wrote:Hi everyone!
No this is not a troll thread. I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
I read CCP Falcon's thread up at the top of GD describing how input-automation is an illegal offense that can get you banned on your 2nd strike, but I wanted some clarification as to what they mean by input automation.
When I play I usually have 3 toons logged in all at once on 3 seperate clients all running on the same computer. I alt+tab to switch between toons and input all of the ship commands for my 3-man fleet manually. Took me a while to get the hang of it, but its gotten to the point now that I can alt+tab between the 3 clients and command all 3 ships almost seamlessly. I never use 3rd party software, just the game clients themselves.
So is how I'm playing with my 3 toons allowed? I'm asking because I don't want to be doing something illegal that could get me banned from my beloved game lol. I do basically the same thing. Thats fine.
What is always allowed: One keystroke sends one command to one client.
Switching to another client is not controlling the client, its controlling your computer.
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Black Panpher
Middle-aged pony tail
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Posted - 2015.06.14 01:01:05 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:You play eve and don't have 2+ monitors?
Wow, prolly still on win xp
And you prolly have 2 cheap ass Monitors |
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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.14 01:13:29 -
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Thanks for the clarification everyone! |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.06.14 04:49:22 -
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Elenahina wrote:Anybody have the link to that handy flowchart? CCP Random tweeted this handy flowchart: https://twitter.com/CCP_Random/status/537380608906104833 |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1199
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Posted - 2015.06.14 05:54:45 -
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something something macro keys on fancy keyboards, ig. press g1 to activate all highs, g2 to activate all mids, g3 to activate all lows
if I'm not mistaken that is allowed, as it only sends data to one client. and involves at the keyboard play. although it doesn't seem to pass the "stored rapid keystrokes" test
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.14 08:14:37 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:something something macro keys on fancy keyboards, ig. press g1 to activate all highs, g2 to activate all mids, g3 to activate all lows
if I'm not mistaken that is allowed, as it only sends data to one client. and involves at the keyboard play. although it doesn't seem to pass the "stored rapid keystrokes" test Don't think this is allowed because the automation gives you an in-game advantage.
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Cherri Minoa
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2015.06.14 08:56:32 -
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We've got two different things here.
Multiboxing, where the software takes a single input and broadcasts it to multiple clients.
Macros and scripts, where the software sends keystroke(s) or mouse input(s) to a single client rather than the user doing it manually.
My understanding is that both are against the rules. You take your finger - possibly out of your backside - you press a key or click the mouse, you activate one command on one client ... that I believe is the only strictly legal way of doing it.
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2015.06.14 09:17:45 -
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Cyborg Girl86 wrote:Hi everyone!
No this is not a troll thread. I'm asking because I honestly don't know.
I read CCP Falcon's thread up at the top of GD describing how input-automation is an illegal offense that can get you banned on your 2nd strike, but I wanted some clarification as to what they mean by input automation.
When I play I usually have 3 toons logged in all at once on 3 seperate clients all running on the same computer. I alt+tab to switch between toons and input all of the ship commands for my 3-man fleet manually. Took me a while to get the hang of it, but its gotten to the point now that I can alt+tab between the 3 clients and command all 3 ships almost seamlessly. I never use 3rd party software, just the game clients themselves.
So is how I'm playing with my 3 toons allowed? I'm asking because I don't want to be doing something illegal that could get me banned from my beloved game lol.
'Input Automation' is using third party type software such as ISBoxer to do almost anything in-game other than logging on your clients. So for example if you used ISBoxer to fire all the guns simultaneously on say six accounts that would now be breaking the EULA.
Operating multiple accounts manually is not a problem for CCP or other players and you can continue as you are. |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.06.14 11:08:19 -
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Black Panpher wrote:Commander Spurty wrote:You play eve and don't have 2+ monitors?
Wow, prolly still on win xp And you prolly have 2 cheap ass Monitors
No I had one but I have just plugged another one in to see if I will get some kills
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2302
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Posted - 2015.06.14 11:10:59 -
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Input automation sounds like drone assist. |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1654
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Posted - 2015.06.14 11:20:00 -
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What everyone seems to be describing here is actually input broadcasting, which is also not allowed.
Input automation is botting or macroing.
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2302
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Posted - 2015.06.14 11:27:29 -
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Fine, input broadcasting sounds like drone assist. Input automations is drones set to aggressive. |
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