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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2015.06.14 14:12:21 -
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TL:DR - svipul in video easily tanks 2 RML caracals + other ****, proceeds to murder a gang of 5 by himself easily. This is bullcrap.
http://evenews24.com/2015/06/14/video-svipul-massacre/
I dont care what people say, a destroyer should NOT be able to tank a RLM cruiser, much less 2 cruisers + drones unloading clips into you.
In my own experience, a similar fitted svipul can easily murder a deimos, a pilgrim, can easily tank an orthrus, and generally maneuver like a boss with his 10mn afterburner.
obviously i have a svipul myself; but this is bullcrap, how do you even fight something like this 1 v 1 in a simular weight class?
The ship is ridiculously, retarderdly overpowered. With links, its radius is something like 10-12m, thats virtually immune to damage; even drones miss. |
George Boothe
Fugger de Lyx
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Posted - 2015.06.14 14:23:25 -
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Linked/Implanted billion isk svipul kills a bunch of guys who lack the skills for even t2 drones.
Could have done basically the same in almost every other linked/implanted billion isk ship.
-> I don't see a problem here. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
754
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Posted - 2015.06.14 14:25:03 -
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George Boothe wrote:Linked/Implanted billion isk svipul kills a bunch of guys who lack the skills for even t2 drones.
Could have done basically the same in almost every other linked/implanted billion isk ship.
-> I don't see a problem here.
2 RLM caracals cant break a svipul and you dont see a problem? May i suggest a visit to optician? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2015.06.14 14:26:31 -
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Whenever i see someone doing something that others think is amazing in a video, i generally cant get past how amazing it is that he found a group of people so bad to kill.
Not gonna watch the vid but a crystal set, blue pill, booster and nice faction rep would be very strong i imagine. Specially if its 10mn fit mitigating a lot of rlml damage.
Has CCP already nerfed the fitting, or is that upcoming? |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
754
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Posted - 2015.06.14 14:28:18 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Whenever i see someone doing something that others think is amazing in a video, i generally cant get past how amazing it is that he found a group of people so bad to kill.
Not gonna watch the vid but a crystal set, blue pill, booster and nice faction rep would be very strong i imagine. Specially if its 10mn fit mitigating a lot of rlml damage.
Has CCP already nerfed the fitting, or is that upcoming?
No this is fresh, he murders a jackdaw in the vid like its nothing. While under fire from rlm caracals. |
George Boothe
Fugger de Lyx
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Posted - 2015.06.14 14:35:02 -
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Rlml caracals with bad skills. Missiles against oversized ab. The harby obiviously has no idea how to minimize transversal. the caracals sitting at 0 on the Svipul.
Good piloting by the svipul with links/imps/deadspace-fit against badly fit (mostly) newer players and he still had a hard time and dipped into armor.
Still looks pretty balanced to me.
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Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2015.06.14 15:36:35 -
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Why was the jackdaw at 4000?
Also 25m sigs aren't immune to damage, otherwise everyone would fly slashers. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
670
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Posted - 2015.06.14 21:38:56 -
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The Jackdaw better has scanned down and killed his Claymore. And a Sentinel is a nice ship, got neuted in 10s by one today in my Svipul, but with passive tank and cap-less weapons the pilot bailed when he got into armor and I lost my scram. The Svipul pilot in this video was lucky to counter a couple of not so expierienced opponents.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
387
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Posted - 2015.06.14 22:34:56 -
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/46759668/ |
Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
515
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Posted - 2015.06.14 23:19:12 -
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Yeah i agree, OGB are OP need to be nerfed.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2015.06.15 06:26:53 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:George Boothe wrote:Linked/Implanted billion isk svipul kills a bunch of guys who lack the skills for even t2 drones.
Could have done basically the same in almost every other linked/implanted billion isk ship.
-> I don't see a problem here. 2 RLM caracals cant break a svipul and you dont see a problem? 2 dedicated anti-tackle cruisers cannot even dent their primary target? May i suggest a visit to optician?
That's how sigtanking works. Try a linked dualrep Astero and see if it cares for two orthrus shooting it. (hint: it doesn't buckle) |
Traejun DiSanctis
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
149
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Posted - 2015.06.15 07:13:09 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:https://zkillboard.com/kill/46759668/
Oh, god... that fit. That isn't a good indicator of the Svipul's capability.
That said... its a strong ship. It's not OP. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
671
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Posted - 2015.06.15 09:27:42 -
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The Svipul is actually really good, 400+ DPS cap-less variable damage type, cap as hell, fast as an combat interceptor, insta-warp, scan res of a frig/ceptor, overheat bonus, combat probes, good slot mix for many suitable fits ... yeah, the all-in-one perfect solo ship. Also kill rank No. 1 on zKill for good reasons. Why flying something else?
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Mixery82
Friends Of Harassment EON Alliance
9
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Posted - 2015.06.15 11:27:01 -
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Yeah the Svipul is still OP but I am happy to see that the Minmartar have at least one good ship. |
Tung Yoggi
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
108
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Posted - 2015.06.15 13:55:55 -
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Some would say the whole T3D line is disruptive to the current frigate / destroyer meta, in a bad way. Among these, the svipul is one of the best because, among other reasons, it can still fit full tank and good dps while buzzing around with an oversized AB.
However, as someone already ironically pointed out, this video is more a testimony of why offgrid boosters are bad, and I can't wait for CCP next pass on this issue. Most of the younger solo pvpers i know are currently training their own link alt to be able to survive the meta. How bad is that ? Worse than the Svipul itself, I guess. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
467
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Posted - 2015.06.15 14:02:24 -
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FTFY
Tung Yoggi wrote:Everyone says the whole T3D line is crapping all over the frigate/destroyer/AF meta, and they should be banned from small plexes, but trying to convince CCP of that isn't easy.
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Mira Chieve
Star Kingdom of Manticore
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Posted - 2015.06.15 17:40:46 -
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Why bring neuts to your gang, right ?
The ship is not OP, only the enemies are incompetent. Of course, blingy active tanks rep for a LOT, but bring them under neut pressure and they are done for.
A single sentinel with a TD would crap all over that svipul. Or an arbitrator with full rack o-¦ neuts. But people prefer to fit Missile Launchers into utility highs -.- |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
756
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Posted - 2015.06.15 19:29:33 -
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Mira Chieve wrote:Why bring neuts to your gang, right ?
The ship is not OP, only the enemies are incompetent. Of course, blingy active tanks rep for a LOT, but bring them under neut pressure and they are done for.
A single sentinel with a TD would crap all over that svipul. Or an arbitrator with full rack o-¦ neuts. But people prefer to fit Missile Launchers into utility highs -.-
wrong and wrong.
a svipul would rip the sentinel in about 3 seconds, cause small capless guns dont give a crap about TD or neuts, and a svipul would easily have enough cap to burn into range.
and from personal experience, a svipul can pretty much ignore neuts anyways. I lost several pilgrims to solo svipuls, and they werent even pimped or linked. You know what happens? they shoot down the drones, then proceed to murder the pilgrim with capless guns. And same thing with a deimos, even under web and scram they can easily tank a full blaster fit deimos because small sig.
1 v 1 svipul is king of the hill, linked or unlinked. And king of the hill not by a small margin, but by FAR.
Just look at recent pvp stats (zkillboard):
Svipul 11,294 Sabre 9,131 Caracal 5,195 Stiletto 5,186 Confessor 5,033 Proteus 4,624 Loki 4,616 Malediction 4,560 Jackdaw 4,509 Ishtar 4,470
everything else is in 4-5k range, svipul FAR outpaces everything else.
Checking svipuls effectiveness - 91% survival rate.
91%
9 out 10 times you go against a svipul, you die.
This sound like a normal ship to you? I use svipuls as well, for this exact reason - unkillable. But its broken. Broken as hell. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2015.06.15 19:34:11 -
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The fact that i can fit a 10MN cruiser afterburner is what makes it broken i think.
I could live with svipuls if they were forced to use microwarp drive and have a sig bloom while they do so, but to have a prop mod that makes you immune to scram and a web...
The thing can fly at 2k unlinked and maintain a 25m sig radius, how broken is this. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
672
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:03:53 -
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You need cap to keep point/scram/web/AB/MWD running. You can still fire and have your buffer tank, but nothing else. But this reminds me to add a Nos to my fitting options instead of the neut.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
635
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Posted - 2015.06.15 20:17:36 -
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You think it is OP in lowsec? Try fighting one in a Wolf Rayet WH. |
Ares Desideratus
GUILD OF DOOM MOOD UBER SWAG ETERNAL
264
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:23:08 -
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Many ships can be made to look overpowered. It's circumstantial.
I faced a small gang in my beam Coercer a week or two ago. It was comprised of several interceptors and a Svipul. I took the Svipul into armor without taking any damage myself, made him run away like little-*****, and got an interceptor kill to boot.
Does that mean the Coercer is over-powered? Nope. It just means I found a situation in which the Coercer could beam like the sun.
Having said all that, I really like the Svipul. I think it's a wonderful ship. I wish there were more ships like it.
What you really should striving for in this game, is to make a lot of the currently terrible ships better, not to make currently good ships terrible. There's a wide variety of garbage cans that need to be buffed or tweaked in some way, the Svipul isn't one of them. |
Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:24:17 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
wrong and wrong.
a svipul would rip the sentinel in about 3 seconds, cause small capless guns dont give a crap about TD or neuts, and a svipul would easily have enough cap to burn into range.
No.
The fact With 10mn ab is that you agility is crap and you're super easy to quite. A sentinel pilot just has to hit 'orbit @ 20' and that's all. Those 2 mwd caracals should have been able to keep him at range, but they were just bad. And even if the svipul is maybe a bit powerful in a solo, it has just no utility in small gang due to its lack of damage projection.
[17:34:53] LucyCallagan > Respectez mon Eliterie je vous prie !
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Ares Desideratus
GUILD OF DOOM MOOD UBER SWAG ETERNAL
264
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Posted - 2015.06.15 21:29:50 -
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Lucy Callagan wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
wrong and wrong.
a svipul would rip the sentinel in about 3 seconds, cause small capless guns dont give a crap about TD or neuts, and a svipul would easily have enough cap to burn into range.
No. The fact With 10mn ab is that you agility is crap and you're super easy to kite. A sentinel pilot just has to hit 'orbit @ 20' and that's all. Those 2 mwd caracals should have been able to keep him at range, but they were just bad. And even if the svipul is maybe a bit powerful in a solo, it has just no utility in small gang due to its lack of damage projection. Also where did he get the idea that small artillery don't care about TDs? The Svipul can barely hit out to 50km. If it's a 280mm arty fit, he can make it a tough fight for the Sentinel, but there's no reason why a Sentinel couldn't engage him and then leave if he had to. Optimal range disruption script would be the obvious choice against Svipul. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
387
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Posted - 2015.06.16 00:01:44 -
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Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:https://zkillboard.com/kill/46759668/ Oh, god... that fit. That isn't a good indicator of the Svipul's capability. That said... its a strong ship. It's not OP.
Yeah but I didn't find out about it until AFTER I jumped on it. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1106
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Posted - 2015.06.16 12:30:07 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: wrong and wrong.
a svipul would rip the sentinel in about 3 seconds, cause small capless guns dont give a crap about TD or neuts, and a svipul would easily have enough cap to burn into range.
A tracking disrupted svipul got about 300m optimal and 1km falloff. Even in propmode he can't orbit within range with the 10mn running. Even worse, he'll be so dry you can just pick it up :>
The good point for the svipul: Even if he screws up and finds himself in a fight against something and a sentinel, he can just burn off at 4.5km/s. Svipul is good because it can dodge or escape that situation, not because he can deal with it. |
Mira Chieve
Star Kingdom of Manticore
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Posted - 2015.06.16 14:08:07 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
wrong and wrong.
a svipul would rip the sentinel in about 3 seconds, cause small capless guns dont give a crap about TD or neuts, and a svipul would easily have enough cap to burn into range.
and from personal experience, a svipul can pretty much ignore neuts anyways. I lost several pilgrims to solo svipuls, and they werent even pimped or linked. You know what happens? they shoot down the drones, then proceed to murder the pilgrim with capless guns. And same thing with a deimos, even under web and scram they can easily tank a full blaster fit deimos because small sig.
1 v 1 svipul is king of the hill, linked or unlinked. And king of the hill not by a small margin, but by FAR.
This sound like a normal ship to you? I use svipuls as well, for this exact reason - unkillable. But its broken. Broken as hell.
You say it will kill everything with capless guns, but how is it going to tank without cap ? He cant even run his prop to speed tank. I have NEVER had a problem killing Svipuls, mostly in Moas and Thoraxes. Ab+ 2 webs work wonders.
Of course I understand it craps on everything else of its size and smaller, but why would I even engage it in a smaller ship ?
I have to say tho that my experience comes almost only from nullsec, which means no fancy pods and almost no OGBs. I can imagine it being hilariously OP in small FW plexes with full links and stuff. But hey, why fight them on their turf ?
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2015.06.16 15:08:47 -
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Mira Chieve wrote:LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
wrong and wrong.
a svipul would rip the sentinel in about 3 seconds, cause small capless guns dont give a crap about TD or neuts, and a svipul would easily have enough cap to burn into range.
and from personal experience, a svipul can pretty much ignore neuts anyways. I lost several pilgrims to solo svipuls, and they werent even pimped or linked. You know what happens? they shoot down the drones, then proceed to murder the pilgrim with capless guns. And same thing with a deimos, even under web and scram they can easily tank a full blaster fit deimos because small sig.
1 v 1 svipul is king of the hill, linked or unlinked. And king of the hill not by a small margin, but by FAR.
This sound like a normal ship to you? I use svipuls as well, for this exact reason - unkillable. But its broken. Broken as hell.
You say it will kill everything with capless guns, but how is it going to tank without cap ? He cant even run his prop to speed tank. I have NEVER had a problem killing Svipuls, mostly in Moas and Thoraxes. Ab+ 2 webs work wonders. Of course I understand it craps on everything else of its size and smaller, but why would I even engage it in a smaller ship ? I have to say tho that my experience comes almost only from nullsec, which means no fancy pods and almost no OGBs. I can imagine it being hilariously OP in small FW plexes with full links and stuff. But hey, why fight them on their turf ?
I understand what you are saying, but cold statics say it kills 9 times out of 10. Thats way way overpowered.
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Ares Desideratus
RANDOM STARSHIP GUILD
264
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Posted - 2015.06.16 16:51:10 -
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If something is to be done about the Svipul, it must affect only the 10mn AB setup, because that seems to be the only setup which can be argued is OP. |
Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
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Posted - 2015.06.16 17:53:52 -
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/47292298/
svipuls can still die to other frigates, once again, their damage projection is ****.
[17:34:53] LucyCallagan > Respectez mon Eliterie je vous prie !
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