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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.22 19:08:00 -
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Need lvl 4 in the basic learningskills on kali right now. Have 1.8 mil in learning and IMO a great change.
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xHalcyonx
Amarr CyberDyne Industries Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.22 19:10:00 -
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Good move for them, bu I am training all basic (except empathy and learning) to V and all advanced to IV (except empathy).
More attribute points for me :).
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.11.22 20:00:00 -
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That's like, wow, a huge leap towards the better. Now, if we could ONLY have ALL other L5 prerequisites/requirements also dropped to L4s (T2 stuff, specialisations, etc) that would just be alt-o-rama paradise ! _____ -sig-
This is my only char. These are my skills
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Areconus
Caldari Cereal Killerz
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Posted - 2006.11.22 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Areconus on 22/11/2006 20:14:21 That is ******* bull**** CCP! I just got done wasting a goddam month and a half on ******* learning!
I swear to god, all these changes are bull****. Start a char with **** 90k sp, and a few weeks later they give noobs the option of starting with 900! now i waste ****in 1.5 months and they change the req. to lvl 4!?
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Guile D'Verde
Caldari The Crescent Order
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Posted - 2006.11.22 20:38:00 -
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LOUD NOISES!!11!
Erm, I mean, cool!
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.11.22 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Areconus Edited by: Areconus on 22/11/2006 20:14:21 That is ******* bull**** CCP! I just got done wasting a goddam month and a half on ******* learning!
I swear to god, all these changes are bull****. Start a char with **** 90k sp, and a few weeks later they give noobs the option of starting with 900! now i waste ****in 1.5 months and they change the req. to lvl 4!?
Trying not to mock...trying not to mock...
I'm in almost the same boat really (well, except I don't regard any of my game time as a 'waste') but I think this is a good move. It was pretty unpleasant grinding those L5s, and I wouldn't wish it on anybody. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
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Kharakan
Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.11.22 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Jin Jemai
Caldari Nightgliders
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Posted - 2006.11.23 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Areconus Edited by: Areconus on 22/11/2006 20:14:21 That is ******* bull**** CCP! I just got done wasting a goddam month and a half on ******* learning!
I swear to god, all these changes are bull****. Start a char with **** 90k sp, and a few weeks later they give noobs the option of starting with 900! now i waste ****in 1.5 months and they change the req. to lvl 4!?
How was it a waste? You got an attribute for each one you trained right? You can still train the advanced right? ----- Im in ur Chicago wearing dresses at night. |
VeniVici
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Posted - 2006.11.23 07:24:00 -
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The problem with this change is that anyone who has trained learning level 5 skills in the last 1-2 months is screwed.
Why? Simple, as soon as Kali is released the payoff time for training Basic Level V attributes moves to 440 days. This is up from 166 days needed to break even if you were training up to advanced level 4. So ya, kind as sucks donkey balls for those of use who have taken the time to train those these last 2 months don't it?
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Kalidann
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Posted - 2006.11.23 08:48:00 -
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Just suck it up and deal with it. if you've already trained the skills, it doesn't affect you. If you haven't, you're still going to want to train to level 5 anyways.
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Cheese999
Minmatar Spitefully Targeting Foolishly Underskilled The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.23 09:01:00 -
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God dammit. I just finished training the momory and Inteligence basics to 5 so I could do the adv ones.
I hate **** like this. -----
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.23 09:57:00 -
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well having one more point in an attribute in less then 5 days is still a good investment. And iam not too sure if this is going to stay that way.
About the ppl whining that uve wasted a month, a point gained in on of ur attributes is never a waste.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.23 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: VeniVici The problem with this change is that anyone who has trained learning level 5 skills in the last 1-2 months is screwed.
Why? Simple, as soon as Kali is released the payoff time for training Basic Level V attributes moves to 440 days. This is up from 166 days needed to break even if you were training up to advanced level 4. So ya, kind as sucks donkey balls for those of use who have taken the time to train those these last 2 months don't it?
Easy solution: Stop caring about learing skill pay off and play the game... -----
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Easy solution: Stop caring about learing skill pay off and play the game...
Tell that to everyone else and their mother telling newbies to blitz advanced learning.
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: VeniVici in the last 1-2 months is screwed
Njah, the actual consequence is, that everyone wins, but those fellows you describe just win a little less.
Your character might merely not be 'optimally planned' with the changed system; if it indeed were really screwed, you could just start one of those new uber chars.
Anyway, hope the CCP will really implement this change; good step towards removing that unrewarding skillgrind for new chars.
-Lasse whose chars won't benefit from this change
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Michiel Rooijen
Gallente Acting Neutral
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:05:00 -
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Cool change! :) _________________
Michiel Rooijen Captain of the Thorax-Cruiser Venice Acting Neutral, Gallente "Not for wrath, nor for ruin.." |
AceOfSpace
Myth...
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:27:00 -
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Seems like a very sensible change.
Of course, everyone should get these to lvl5 eventually
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:39:00 -
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The recommended training order right now is memory and intelligence to 5, learning to 4 or 5, adv memory and intelligence to 4, then train basic and advanced perc and will and perhaps charisma.
New order will be int and mem to 4, adv int and mem to 3 or 4, basic int & mem to 5, train the rest. This cuts 1 or 2 days of training time. No one wasted months. You're just 1 of 2 days worse off.
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Fraile Cloudsinger
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Posted - 2006.11.23 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw The recommended training order right now is memory and intelligence to 5, learning to 4 or 5, adv memory and intelligence to 4, then train basic and advanced perc and will and perhaps charisma.
New order will be int and mem to 4, adv int and mem to 3 or 4, basic int & mem to 5, train the rest. This cuts 1 or 2 days of training time. No one wasted months. You're just 1 of 2 days worse off.
That is if you want to train the basic skill to lvl 5. I think most new players will go for the basic skills to lvl 4 and then the advanced learning skills to lvl 4. They'll cut quite a lot of weeks depending on starting attributes and implants, compared to training basic to 5 and then advanced to 3/4.
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Alhambra Rainwalker
Caldari Rosa Alba Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.23 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 23/11/2006 14:25:42 Very good idea. Now you'll have to suffer bit less time with these timesinks. Train basic 4 -> adv 4 -> basic 5 instead of current routine. Of course I'd still prefer abolishing those skills instead.
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.23 14:59:00 -
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Well If this is true then its another great idea to help players play this game.
I think Basic 5's should be an option to the advanced learning. I have seen some other skills like this where you only need Level 4 to go to the adv set and the 5th point is an optional thing.
Anyhow sounds like my new ALT in Kali will be a very FUN character!! My Character Stats |
Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.11.23 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Jemai
Originally by: Areconus Edited by: Areconus on 22/11/2006 20:14:21 That is ******* bull**** CCP! I just got done wasting a goddam month and a half on ******* learning!
I swear to god, all these changes are bull****. Start a char with **** 90k sp, and a few weeks later they give noobs the option of starting with 900! now i waste ****in 1.5 months and they change the req. to lvl 4!?
How was it a waste? You got an attribute for each one you trained right? You can still train the advanced right?
yeah, cept if you train learning to 4 basic, then 4 advanced and then 5 basic it saves a lot more time then basic to and then advanced to 4
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Viax Xavier
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Posted - 2006.11.23 16:06:00 -
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OK guys i have 5 million of SP in learning...so where will go my sp who i have studied ??in the trash beam??So i will lost 3.2 millions of sp in one day??****this is incredible...really...and after this the ccp would nerf the old player with the time skilling?U will lost tonns of veteran player who pay lot's of money in this 3-4 years...for new player who pay for how may month one??two??...i think you are taking a big risk with this new politics...
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2006.11.23 16:35:00 -
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nice, wasted time now
new near-1m Revelation newbies, and now this.
Just keeps getting better and better...
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Matalino
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.23 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Viax Xavier OK guys i have 5 million of SP in learning...so where will go my sp who i have studied ??in the trash beam??
You lose nothing if you already have the basic learning set at 5. The only people this affects are those who do not already have basic learning set at 5. They will not need to do so in order to access the advanced learning set.
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.23 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Protunia on 23/11/2006 16:59:47
Quote: OK guys i have 5 million of SP in learning...so where will go my sp who i have studied ??in the trash beam??So i will lost 3.2 millions of sp in one day??****this is incredible...really...and after this the ccp would nerf the old player with the time skilling?U will lost tonns of veteran player who pay lot's of money in this 3-4 years...for new player who pay for how may month one??two??...i think you are taking a big risk with this new politics...
WHAT??
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Arte
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Posted - 2006.11.23 17:16:00 -
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Oh noes. I wasted all that time training the skills to lvl 5..
...Oh no, wait. No I didn't, that was ages ago and I don't regret it. Much the same as I didn't start with 800k sp and yet don't begrudge anyone who will when creating a new character as and when that change happens. I think the inclusion of rank 5 skills is a bit too much but what the hey.
Any time wasted isn't 2 weeks to a month, it's a matter of a 5-8 days at most and it's just the perception of wasted time. Suck it up and move on. If you've trained to lvl 5 then you'll have one more attribute point than the players who didn't train it up.
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BlackJade
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.11.23 17:17:00 -
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FFS... People, listen and listen well:
ONLY THE REQUIREMENTS ARE CHANGED.
For example, right now on Tranquility, you need the basic learning skill Iron Will at level 5 to train the advanced learning skill Eidetic Memory (Or whatever its called). The requirement in Kali is now level 4 to be able to train the advanced learning skill. You are NOT losing skillpoints.
Other whiners - everyone will train the basic learning skills to level 5 sooner or later - yes, people that train advanced to 4 then tackle the basic lvl 5 skill will do it marginally faster. So what? Are you sure you want to play the game this way, constantly thinking in terms of training efficiency? I seriously hope you lose your Internet connection for a few days when a skill finishes training and you cant start a new one, just so it teaches you the lesson that SP isnt everything. Because it isn't
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Egil Kolsto
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Posted - 2006.11.23 18:22:00 -
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In all honesty, this is a great change. Gives us access to +8 in all attributes without taking the first one to V. Also gives those who want the last push the freedom to do it.
I don't really get what the big deal is, the game develop and stuff change. Why is it so wrong to allow those who are new to the game to learn slightly faster at a less fearsome investment of time?
It doesn't take anything away from you! I have skilled to +9 on my main in all but Charisma and gotten advantage out of it for every other skill I have done. Making it less of a drag to get decent learning skills just brings more people into the game, which I fail to see as anything but positive. I enjoy the game and I wish others would see the enjoyment in it as well. If this makes more people play the game, then good call CCP!
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.11.23 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Feng Schui on 23/11/2006 18:50:48 all of you people whining about it should delete your characters and remake them... I'll take the ISK and gear off of your old toons of course
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