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Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.16 07:34:09 -
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Sup folks, My main was getting ready to try C4's with some not to sure about friends in 3 RR domis. I lamented many times wishing I had a ship that I could fly that could do it solo. I started googling then spotted a video ran by a fella named Kieth Plankc and became literally enchanted with the Rattlesnake. I checked my skills, all drones skills are maxed, Galentee BS maxed, Armor & Shield are near maxed but no Caldari or missiles trained. I wasted no time plugging in Caldari ship skills and missiles.
I figured I'll get Caldari BS and missiles support skills to Lev 4 to start, get T2 Cruise Missiles trained and give it a go in sigh...52 more days. With Geckos all do max damage, but only sub-par damage with missiles. With a 1.42k dps pure passive fit I would only be able to dish out around 700 dps with my skills (in 52 days.....sigh).
The question I need to ask to satisfy my nerves is, would this be enough dps & tank to solo most of C4's? The fit I'll be using is this:
Rattler Passive C4 fit
Highs Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno Drone Link Augmentor II
Mids Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflector Amplifier Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II
Lows Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Rigs Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Drones Gecko 3x Wasps II 2x Wardens II
I'll be using Siege/Skirm links to reduce that sig down to 372 and increase the shield resist for a 1.66k dps passive shield regen. Also I'll carry a Mobile Depot with MJD, TC, BCU, 6x Stabs and DDAs. Any fits, suggestions are appreciated. Thanks
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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
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Posted - 2015.06.16 08:42:25 -
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kick shield recharger and add if eoungh cpu/power grid large ancillary shield booster or another shield extender . |
Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
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Posted - 2015.06.16 09:16:14 -
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add dcu pith type a & sheild comp V {2 em, 1 the rest, 2 lse} edit: passive tank implants
you only face 2k dps until the first bs is down |
Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.16 10:05:26 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:add dcu pith type a & sheild comp V {2 em, 1 the rest, 2 lse} edit: passive tank implants
you only face 2k dps until the first bs is down edit 3: since you'll be taking 15+ minutes a site, you know that thing is going to die in a ball of fire right? edit 4: LOL at considering using geckos.
still cackling about the geckos.
DC isn't needed on a shield passive regen ship like the rattler. But to verify I tried it on pyfa at the shield regen dropped from 1.53k dps to 1.33k dps.
Gecko is needed for frigs since i'm not web fitted and it applies damage way better then the Wasp II's.
Die to who? the sleepers or gankers? If gankers, they better come in a blob cause I got something other than my Rattler waiting for them cloaked.
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Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.16 10:28:00 -
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Amak Boma wrote:kick shield recharger and add if eoungh cpu/power grid large ancillary shield booster or another shield extender .
Oh, now that presents some very interesting possibilities. How about this fit Amak
Rattler Passive C4 fit
Highs Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno Cruise Missile Launcher II with Caldari navy inferno Drone Link Augmentor II
Mids Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflector Amplifier Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster ~ Navy 400
Lows Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Rigs Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Drones Gecko 3x Wasps II 2x Wardens II
EHP is 107k with a passive shield tank for 926 dps. If I drop the third LSE for a Shield Recharger II the EHP is 96k with a passive shield tank for 1022 dps. |
HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.16 10:36:32 -
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your problem might not be the tank. Your promplem might be the damage to break sleepers remote rep. 1.66k passive recharge from your first fit is enough for the anoms, but if you do not have drone Skilly and Missile Skills to V it can be hard to break the RR-Tank from the the sleepers to finish the site!
Keep Smile and Kill, You can not wave them all!
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Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.16 10:40:10 -
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HoruSeth wrote:your problem might not be the tank. Your problem might be the damage to break sleepers remote rep. 1.66k passive recharge from your first fit is enough for the anoms, but if you do not have drone Skilly and Missile Skills to V it can be hard to break the RR-Tank from the the sleepers to finish the site!
I have a second toon with the same skill set as my RR domi that is also training for the Rattler, so what if I use 2 Rattlers with the first fit? um replacing the Gecko with Bouncer II's |
Orob Ninebands
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.16 12:47:23 -
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You can do it with two Rattlesnakes with Geckos. I've run C5 sites with two Rattlesnakes using Geckos. Different fit however, and died to a gank, but yes, you can absolutely do it with two snakes with geckos. |
Jonn Duune
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
5
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Posted - 2015.06.16 17:40:04 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:You can do it with two Rattlesnakes with Geckos. I've run C5 sites with two Rattlesnakes using Geckos. Different fit however, and died to a gank, but yes, you can absolutely do it with two snakes with geckos.
Here is the fit that I was using:
[Rattlesnake, Orob Ninebands's Rattlesnake] Co-Processor II Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Omnidirectional Tracking Link I,Tracking Speed Script
Drone Link Augmentor II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Egress Port Maximizer II Large Egress Port Maximizer II
It's expensive, but it works. Good luck.
That's not even half bad for dualboxing c5 sites... trust me. |
Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
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Posted - 2015.06.16 22:07:24 -
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This thread is PVE fitting gold....
There is no Bob.
Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/
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Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.17 00:03:07 -
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Jonn Duune wrote:Orob Ninebands wrote:You can do it with two Rattlesnakes with Geckos. I've run C5 sites with two Rattlesnakes using Geckos. Different fit however, and died to a gank, but yes, you can absolutely do it with two snakes with geckos.
Here is the fit that I was using:
[Rattlesnake, Orob Ninebands's Rattlesnake] Co-Processor II Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Omnidirectional Tracking Link I,Tracking Speed Script
Drone Link Augmentor II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Egress Port Maximizer II Large Egress Port Maximizer II
It's expensive, but it works. Good luck. That's not even half bad for dualboxing c5 sites... trust me.
This fit is extremely tempting since I have max drones & RR skills, but can't use missiles atm. But this post and the one below scares me a bit. Please tell me fella, will this work for C4's? Of course I'd tone the fit down a bit to fit my budget but gosh the possibilities are making me lose sleep pondering if I should give this a go.
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Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.17 00:07:03 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:You can do it with two Rattlesnakes with Geckos. I've run C5 sites with two Rattlesnakes using Geckos. Different fit however, and died to a gank, but yes, you can absolutely do it with two snakes with geckos.
Here is the fit that I was using:
[Rattlesnake, Orob Ninebands's Rattlesnake] Co-Processor II Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Omnidirectional Tracking Link I,Tracking Speed Script
Drone Link Augmentor II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Egress Port Maximizer II Large Egress Port Maximizer II
It's expensive, but it works. Good luck.
I heard the sleepers in C4's keep range up tp 100k. Is another DLA II needed for C4's and maybe a prop mode to keep within drone control range?
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.06.17 00:17:00 -
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You need to add more purple to the fit.
You can reach the sleepers at that point.
Yaay!!!!
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Orob Ninebands
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 01:06:05 -
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Never had any issues with range. Trust me, the Sleepers will move in close enough. Assuming you have semi-decent drone skills, my fit will work. C4 won't even be any sort of challenge, and neither will a C5. Just remember, its a dualboxing fit, so don't try it with just one Rattlesnake. The biggest downside really is that it does take a little bit of time to clear the sites due to the less than desirable DPS for those sites. It will definitely take you longer than it will a fleet of 4 RR Domis, but if solo/dualbox is what you are trying to do, this will work fine. I would also recommend you carry some blue pill, just in case you need some boost to your tank.
And to Phoenix Jones who made the "purple" comment, there is no purple on this fit. Shame on you. I figured an Iso5 guy would know the difference between deadspace and officer mods. Still, it is plenty expensive... |
Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.17 01:13:58 -
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Was thinking something along these lines for the dual-boxing RR Rattlers doing C4's. Can I get some non-trolling feedback from this fit please.
Rattlesnake, Decripid Sano's poorman Rattlesnake] Dyad Co-Processor I Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer II
Gist B-Type 100 MN AB Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I,Tracking Speed Script
Drone Link Augmentor II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Egress Port Maximizer II Large Egress Port Maximizer II
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Orob Ninebands
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 01:23:41 -
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I would say, ditch the prop mod for another Adaptive Invuln II (you don't need to chase the Sleepers around and the prop mod doesn't make you fast enough to matter or escape a gank anyways), carry some standard blue pill, and that should work fine in a C4. Stay out of C5 sites with it though. |
Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.17 01:24:48 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:Never had any issues with range. Trust me, the Sleepers will move in close enough. Assuming you have semi-decent drone skills, my fit will work. C4 won't even be any sort of challenge, and neither will a C5. Just remember, its a dualboxing fit, so don't try it with just one Rattlesnake. The biggest downside really is that it does take a little bit of time to clear the sites due to the less than desirable DPS for those sites. It will definitely take you longer than it will a fleet of 4 RR Domis, but if solo/dualbox is what you are trying to do, this will work fine. I would also recommend you carry some blue pill, just in case you need some boost to your tank. You shouldn't need the blue pill for C4 sites, but if you try C5s, I would definitely have some on hand. Also, for that inevitable gank when someone sees your snakes on D-Scan, the blue pill might help you out. Might... :)
And to Phoenix Jones who made the "purple" comment, there is no purple on this fit. Shame on you. I figured an Iso5 guy would know the difference between deadspace and officer mods. Still, it is plenty expensive...
I don't use drugs cause I don't have the skills to use them. I'll use a Mid-grade Crystal set instead for the added shield boost. I was worried about the range since I heard the sleepers in C4's keep range out to 100k, but I personally wasn't sure.
Are Geckos the only drones this fit will work with? What about Wasps or Wardens II's?
And yes I have 2 chars that I trained for RR domis that are crossing training for the Rattlers atm. My drones, shield/armor, all support and RR skills are maxed so I can use this fit as soon as I finish maxing out Caldari BS 5.
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Orob Ninebands
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 01:27:58 -
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I don't have the skills to mitigate the downsides of the drugs either, but trust me, the drugs are worth it. When I build fits I always base the drug part off of getting hit with all the negative effects 100% of the time. In the case of the Rattlesnake fit, the negative effects don't outweigh the benefits. Don't be scared of the drugs. Not sure a Mid-Grade Crystal would give you enough added shield boost. I don't use implants because I get podded a lot, and that gets expensive :) Blue Pill will give you +20% shield boost, and you may need close to that at times. Will an implant give you that much?
And yes, I would stick with Geckos. They are the only way you are going to get enough DPS. You can try it with other drones, of course, but my experience is that the Geckos are the way to go.
And you don't need BS V, none of my characters have BS to more than IV for any race. |
Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.17 01:44:18 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:I don't have the skills to mitigate the downsides of the drugs either, but trust me, the drugs are worth it. When I build fits I always base the drug part off of getting hit with all the negative effects 100% of the time. In the case of the Rattlesnake fit, the negative effects don't outweigh the benefits. Don't be scared of the drugs. Not sure a Mid-Grade Crystal would give you enough added shield boost. I don't use implants because I get podded a lot, and that gets expensive :)
And yes, I would stick with Geckos. They are the only way you are going to get enough DPS. You can try it with other drones, of course, but my experience is that the Geckos are the way to go.
And you don't need BS V, none of my characters have BS to more than IV for any race.
Many thanks Orob for sharing this fit with me. I'll replace the prop mode for another SBA. What is the cap stability like when dual boxing with this fit, I'll also be using a Siege/Skirmish link booster.
Damn, I should've stocked up on them Geckos when they were 30 mill each, just never intended to use them during that time.
I was hoping you would say that, cause I honestly wasn't gonna wait 27 days getting Caldari BS to lev 5 before attempting this fit. Instead I'll start plugging in some drug skills and try to get them to lev 4.
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Orob Ninebands
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 01:46:38 -
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Cap stability is more than fine. Can handle being neuted by multiple Sleeper BS in a C5 site and never even make you nervous. |
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Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.17 01:52:02 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:Cap stability is more than fine. Can handle being neuted by multiple Sleeper BS in a C5 site and never even make you nervous.
Really, cap stable using a Pith X-type XL shield booster is unprecedented. What is the Cap stability percentage like when under heavy neut pressure? Can you perma run the booster or do you pulse it as needed? |
Orob Ninebands
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 01:54:39 -
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I permarun my active tanks in PVE. It is plenty cap stable with tank running and multiple Sleepers neuting you at the same time.
Also, just another recommendation, since you are using geckos, would ditch all the tracking stuff and replace with ECCM and a Backup Array. In a gank situation, ECM will be what gets you killed most likely, so anything you can do to make it harder to jam you is definitely recommended. |
Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.17 02:00:16 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:I permarun my active tanks in PVE. It is plenty cap stable with tank running and multiple Sleepers neuting you at the same time.
Also, just another recommendation, since you are using geckos, would ditch all the tracking stuff and replace with ECCM and a Backup Array. In a gank situation, ECM will be what gets you killed most likely, so anything you can do to make it harder to jam you is definitely recommended.
That's the main reason I trained for a Falcon alt as well. It would be cloaked in hiding along with another nasty ship I trained for named Ishtar.
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Orob Ninebands
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 02:05:09 -
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Not sure how much experience you have running WH sites, but I wouldn't count on a single Falcon and an Ishtar to save you. Use the Falcon to help you escape would be a better "Plan A". When they see the snakes, if they are a capable group, they will bring an army at you. "Plan B" would be fight, depending on what they throw at you, but remember that you have no tackle, so probably your best outcome would be to drive them off temporarily. Just don't neglect to close holes before you start running sites. |
Orob Ninebands
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 02:11:32 -
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Personally, I would say that unless you are an experienced wormholer, you are just asking to lose some expensive ships. Like I said, I don't know how much experience you have with w-space, but solo/dualbox fighting in w-space is not likely to end well for you. |
Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.17 02:12:55 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:Not sure how much experience you have running WH sites, but I wouldn't count on a single Falcon and an Ishtar to save you, ESPECIALLY if you are a single guy running 4 accounts. Use the Falcon to help you escape would be a better "Plan A". When they see the snakes, if they are a capable group, they will bring an army at you. "Plan B" would be fight, depending on what they throw at you, but remember that you have no tackle, so probably your best outcome would be to drive them off temporarily. Just don't neglect to close holes before you start running sites.
Will do, thanks for this advice Orob I really appreciate it, I'll add you as a friendly on my other chars in case we come across each other, I'll send you a list of my chars in game when I get started to roll with this. I'll keep the eccm backup arrays one for mid and low slots in cargo with a mobile depot along with warp core stabs, lots of them. |
Orob Ninebands
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 02:14:26 -
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Don't use a mobile depot. HAVE THEM FIT ALREADY. You won't get the chance to refit, I promise. |
Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.17 02:30:09 -
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Orob Ninebands wrote:Don't use a mobile depot. HAVE THEM FIT ALREADY. You won't get the chance to refit, I promise.
So they finally found a way to render the re-fitting ability of the mobile depots useless, eh. Geez it seems the players in eve are becoming more vicious and brutal by the day. And yes I intend to reduce the mass of the remaining statics to critical mass so that no fleet large enough would be able to take on my 2 rattlers without me not being able to escape.
But I guess if you intend to do some PVPing in WHs, you're gonna need some allies, so I'll change my plan from ganking the gankers to survival.
Hopefully I'll make enough isk to off set the cost when I do eventually get ganked or it'd be better to just stay in Safe-Sec. It just soooo boring in Safe-Sec though.
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Orob Ninebands
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 02:37:01 -
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It isn't that mobile depots are useless, it is a time thing. They can reinforce your depot quickly or they can simply get you jammed and dead in the time it takes you to refit. W-Space is no joke my friend. If you are really interested in doing WH PVE, I would suggest that you join a WH corp. You will have friends to help you that way and plenty of opportunity to run sites when it makes sense to run sites and do it in a way that increases your chance of survival. |
Decripid Sano
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.17 04:22:47 -
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What is the Cap stability percentage like when under heavy neut pressure? Can you perma run the booster or do you pulse it as needed?
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