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Haghala Connor
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:15:17 -
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Returning to the game after 3 years of not playing all i have got from it so far is nothing but assholes in space. My activities and experience the month i have been back is so far:
High-sec mining: Sins i only had about 20mil when i log on i decide to mine for some buffer isk. But thanks to CODE i get suicide ganked and lose more than i gain from mining. No warning, No Chat, Locked, Scramed and Blown to bits, Podded.
Fine sins the player base don't allow for solo mining anymore i just do some exploring, I Buy a magnet and fit it for exploring, All fine until i accidentally pressed "want to leave highsec" and enter a low sec system, Locked Scramed and blown to bits, podded.
I Try again with exploring, this time i use wormhole to get to null-sec, first gate jump: Interdicted and killed, podded.
In summary i have lost on average 2 ships per day to players, and on average being podded half of those times and that's only because they can't use interdiction bubbles. Every time the bubble is there People pod for no reason other than its "fun" to be an *******.
My worst experience so far is when i finally got enough isk buffer to feel that i can buy an astero and covert op cloak. I get to a random null sec system and begin to look for systems with 0 people in it (couse thats the only way not to get killed) after managed to make 2 sites a small gang of 4-5 people start to what i experience as hunt me down. Begins with that only them being at a gate, i only survive the first gate camp thanks to my odd warp-in angle and warp-cloak, after they hunting me through 6 systems my luck finally runs out and i enter a system where a camp is already set up. Thanks to the ******* interdiction bubbles and how cloaking works i have 0 chance of getting away, one of the campers get a lucky align on the short while i am up on overview and decloaks me and 100mil down the drain thanks to random assholes.
During my month back in eve i have meet exactly 1 person in space t hats not been a complete *******.
CCP really promotes people being assholes with their "Don't Fly alone"-program and how easy it is to "Engage on your own terms".
"Engage on your own terms" is a bullshit sentence, if that really were the case i should be able to warp away on my own terms, but thats impossible, a single interdiction bubble cancels out every warp stabs you put on the ship, don't matter if you have 1 or 100, you will not warp away, heck even if you put 3x warp stabs on a ship you will get scramed down sins a single faction module negates it, and it one don't work just stack two and its done, Assholes will always get the upper hand sins its cheap to fit 1-2x scramblers vs 4xstabs (that don't work on bubble camps).
"don't go exploring then" "Don't go to low sec then" "don't go to null sec" "learn to d-scan"
EVE has alot of problem and majority of the playerbase is one of them, sites like zkillboards and eve-kill helps with adding fuel to the the fire.
Another bad experience i get is when running L3 Missions, and that's Assholes that hunt mission runners, Couse everyone knows that you have to have a pvp fit to do L3-missions in a battlecruiser, Scramed, dented the attacker shield before second ******* shows up and finishes the jobb. was lucky and managed to warp away before locked and podded.
Next time CCP makes a "this is eve" trailer, maybe they should show what the game is realy about: Gatecamps, podding, gang ups, warp scrambles, hauler bumpings, mission runner killing, and trick new players with the "help channel" and "eve univeristy" to believe that everyone you meet is not out to kill you.
I'm going to give this game another two weeks, if i continue to face nothing but assholes in this game by then i am contactin customer support for a refund of the subscription.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:19:05 -
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thats what the game is about, learn to evade these players and prospour
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:23:22 -
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"People are trying to kill me in this pvp game, what has the world come to!". This being a competitive PVP centric game it's up to you to lower the risk of getting **** by others, and up to others to try and **** with you as much as they want. This hasn't magically changed from 3 years ago.
Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining). |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:46:12 -
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I think you got it, everyone is out there to kill you ... this is EvE ... this is why I love EvE
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:47:47 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining).
Only time i have ever done afk mining was during a L4 Mining mission, and i find it insulting that you assume i was afk mining when i explicit said it was CODE ganking.
Also please tell me exactly how i can get out of Interdiction bubble gate camps, i really would love to know, course that is currently number one reason for me to quit. |
Tybur Kan
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:49:01 -
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Evading pvp to pve is what makes the pve interesting and competitive. I scan in lower and have to run away a lot but it makes the score sweeter. The people hunting you aren't assholes necessarily, they're just in the other end of the cat and mouse games we get into. Hunters get hunted too. Everyone needs is to reship. Understanding the ecosystem in terms other than pvp is for assholes will get you a lot further. Good luck. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:49:25 -
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Haghala Connor wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining). Only time i have ever done afk mining was during a L4 Mining mission, and i find it insulting that you assume i was afk mining when i explicit said it was CODE ganking. Also please tell me exactly how i can get out of Interdiction bubble gate camps, i really would love to know, course that is currently number one reason for me to quit.
easy stay cloaked and analyse which direction you want to go, align, hit mwd and then cloak right after it, job done, you dont know how hard it is to actually catch a properly flown cloaky
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Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2015.06.17 14:57:54 -
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Haghala Connor wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining). Only time i have ever done afk mining was during a L4 Mining mission, and i find it insulting that you assume i was afk mining when i explicit said it was CODE ganking. Also please tell me exactly how i can get out of Interdiction bubble gate camps, i really would love to know, course that is currently number one reason for me to quit.
CODE can only gank you if they enter your system and you didn't notice (set standing to code, watch local), and if they entered your belt while you weren't aligned and clicked the warp button. Being active is a tad more than just "sitting at the keyboard" :)
1) When you jump into a system you have 60 seconds gatecloak, that gives you the time to figure out what to do
2) Ideally you want to cloak/MWD burn out of the bubble so you check the bubble and ship placement to see if there's a safe(ish) direction for you to burn to, avoiding contact and clearing the bubble.
3) DON'T use an obvious direction like the out gate or the sun, because they'll expect that
4) when you feel you found an escape rout you align there, cloak up, hit MWD and slightly alter course after 3 seconds, away from them (by that time you're removed from their overview so they can't plot your actual course based on your earlier vector) and hope for the best. If you have a covert cloak you can then warp, if not then get more distance before you uncloak and align to warp
5) if you don't see a safe exit then approach the gate, hit cloak and MWD, burn back and jump out, then either gtfo or try it again and hope that this time you'll jump into the system in a better position.
With a solid understanding of how this all works and a bit of practise you can clear most gates just fine. |
Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:01:11 -
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Haghala Connor wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining). Only time i have ever done afk mining was during a L4 Mining mission, and i find it insulting that you assume i was afk mining when i explicit said it was CODE ganking. Also please tell me exactly how i can get out of Interdiction bubble gate camps, i really would love to know, course that is currently number one reason for me to quit.
I call bullshit. If you're at your keyboard and have the tiniest bit of smarts, I should not be able to pod you after blowing up your barge. If you are not paying attention, though, *pop*. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:04:20 -
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If you don't like getting shot in the face, stop going to dangerous parts of space.
A lot has changed mechanically in eve in the last three years, you should probably think about contacting a newbie friendly Corp to help get you back into it.
You can do what you like here but so can we, including preventing you from doing what you want. Engage on your own terms but do so despite the rest of us. this is an open world PvP sandbox with very few rules act accordingly
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Haghala Connor
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:08:24 -
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Bellatrix Invicta wrote:Haghala Connor wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining). Only time i have ever done afk mining was during a L4 Mining mission, and i find it insulting that you assume i was afk mining when i explicit said it was CODE ganking. Also please tell me exactly how i can get out of Interdiction bubble gate camps, i really would love to know, course that is currently number one reason for me to quit. I call bullshit. If you're at your keyboard and have the tiniest bit of smarts, I should not be able to pod you after blowing up your barge. If you are not paying attention, though, *pop*.
Bullshit calling from a CODE player? Now thats funny, also sins the gank in question was my first encounter with code so those two didn't show up on local i big flashing red to me. and consider that they locked my pod down before i managed to get into warp (oh no, 3 days in and i completly forgot about spamming warpaway when ship gets killed). |
Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:12:39 -
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Haghala Connor wrote:i completly forgot about spamming warpaway when ship gets killed).
So who's fault is that and why are you blaming the game and/or CODE for that. I'm most certainly not a fan of CODE (for reasons different from most) but it's really simple: they can only catch you with your pants down.
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Haghala Connor
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:13:05 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:If you don't like getting shot in the face, stop going to dangerous parts of space.
A lot has changed mechanically in eve in the last three years, you should probably think about contacting a newbie friendly Corp to help get you back into it.
You can do what you like here but so can we, including preventing you from doing what you want. Engage on your own terms but do so despite the rest of us. this is an open world PvP sandbox with very few rules act accordingly
Im sorry i willl not leave the rookie system again, i promisse. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:13:56 -
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well in all fairness he is a returning player, not his fault code grief people to fill their own egos
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:16:57 -
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So you're calling others names, for playing the game? How cool you are.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Haghala Connor
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:23:52 -
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Mag's wrote:So you're calling others names, for playing the game? How cool you are.
Well, thanks to the forums i have now learned that EVE is a sandbox where every shred of good behavior people might have in real life is striped away to only work in help chat or "newbie crops". If you see people in your overview or local chat and are not running a tech 2 pvp fitted battleship along with your 3-4 friends, you are gona have a bad time.
Thanks that lesson really helped. |
Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:26:38 -
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Haghala Connor wrote:Mag's wrote:So you're calling others names, for playing the game? How cool you are. Well, thanks to the forums i have now learned that EVE is a sandbox where every shred of good behavior people might have in real life is striped away to only work in help chat or "newbie crops". If you see people in your overview or local chat and are not running a tech 2 pvp fitted battleship along with your 3-4 friends, you are gona have a bad time. Thanks that lesson really helped.
Perhaps it's just easier for you, and us, to realise that you're a sperging drama queen and leave it at that. Adapt and overcome, or don't. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:28:04 -
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Haghala Connor wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:If you don't like getting shot in the face, stop going to dangerous parts of space.
A lot has changed mechanically in eve in the last three years, you should probably think about contacting a newbie friendly Corp to help get you back into it.
You can do what you like here but so can we, including preventing you from doing what you want. Engage on your own terms but do so despite the rest of us. this is an open world PvP sandbox with very few rules act accordingly Im sorry i willl not leave the rookie system again, i promisse. I'll apologies for being patronising with you there, you are clearly frustrated.
I didn't mean to be condescending but my point is, there's plenty of altruistic players out there who would be more than willing to help you slide back into the meta, fyi you have been gone for longer than I have been playing, I would expect a degree of relearning be called for regardless of you skill or intellectual capacity.
Going bawls deep into null after such a long break and CODE. Are two things that could have gone a lot smoother had you touched base with the community beforehand,
regardless you're here now and we can help if you're willing to chill out.
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Mag's
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:28:42 -
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Haghala Connor wrote:Mag's wrote:So you're calling others names, for playing the game? How cool you are. Well, thanks to the forums i have now learned.......... I stopped reading there. I don't think you've learned a thing.
Good luck and fly safe.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:30:06 -
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You know what, it's a PVP game. If you play chess against someone, do you call him a jerk for taking your pawns? If you play world of tanks do you call others jerks for shooting your tank with their tanks?
Unfortunately, this is not a game where you can chill in space and mine or explore without others being able to shoot you. People can shoot your ship, therefore people WILL shoot your ship.
For the uninterrupted solo experience, try X3AP, Elite:Dangerous in solo mode, Freelancer, or other solo spaceship games. |
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:33:36 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:You know what, it's a PVP game. If you play chess against someone, do you call him a jerk for taking your pawns? If you play world of tanks do you call others jerks for shooting your tank with their tanks?
Unfortunately, this is not a game where you can chill in space and mine or explore without others being able to shoot you. People can shoot your ship, therefore people WILL shoot your ship.
no he wouldnt because he is actually engaged in the activity with that player so he knows what to expect, a new player being ganked by code is not pvp its just being ganked simple.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:34:38 -
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Don't ***** because CODEdot ganked you. It happens. Period. You got caught either AFK, watching Youtube or otherwise not paying attention to EvE. You got podded because of that. Your own admission says so.
This topic is pointless. Welcome to EvE. We ALL want to kill you. Get used to it. |
Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:35:25 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:You know what, it's a PVP game. If you play chess against someone, do you call him a jerk for taking your pawns? If you play world of tanks do you call others jerks for shooting your tank with their tanks?
Unfortunately, this is not a game where you can chill in space and mine or explore without others being able to shoot you. People can shoot your ship, therefore people WILL shoot your ship. no he wouldnt because he is actually engaged in the activity with that player so he knows what to expect, a new player being ganked by code is not pvp its just being ganked simple.
Which is still PvP. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:39:34 -
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whatever you want to define it as, people have different definitions for what pvp is and someone with a gun shooting someone without a gun is not pvp
OP message me in game and ill srp your stuff for you so you can get started up again, we aint all asshats here
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Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:55:43 -
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Lan Wang wrote:whatever you want to define it as, people have different definitions for what pvp is and someone with a gun shooting someone without a gun is not pvp
OP message me in game and ill srp your stuff for you so you can get started up again, we aint all asshats here
So far i have never lost more than i can afford to lose, while i do appreciate the gesture, i decline the offer.
To be honest, the fault lies with CCP's "balance" team, and how they neglected how powerful warb disrupts and interdiction bubbles are, and how little if any that can be done to counter them. CCP's have done it overly easy for gankers and "pirates" to do what they do without any repercussions. Even Bounty system is hardly even worth pixels it represent. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.06.17 15:56:20 -
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You lost a retriever with half the slots missing. You could have bought a procurer, tanked it up, and easily survived that gank. That was a decision you made.
Likewise you should usually not be losing cloaky frigates in low-sec and you should definitely not be getting podded. Null-sec can be a little harder, but there are ways to deal with it.
You've made some mistakes that new (and returning) players almost always make. Now you can either learn from those mistakes and figure out how to survive, or you can blame everyone else for being mean. When you come on this forum with your badditude you will be lucky to get any help. If instead you had phrased it "I'm struggling to surive, what can I do better?" you would have been showered in advice.
EVE is a harsh game that can be difficult for new (and returning) players because it rewards exploitation of knowledge. Either you learn or you sink. Playing the blame game won't get you anywhere, except to paint a big target on your back because no one likes a whiner.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.17 16:04:12 -
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Lan Wang wrote:whatever you want to define it as, people have different definitions for what pvp is and someone with a gun shooting someone without a gun is not pvp
OP message me in game and ill srp your stuff for you so you can get started up again, we aint all asshats here
Our opinions on PvP matter not. CCP defines what PvP is in Eve and guess what, ganking IS PvP. |
Kintaro Kitsuji
New Eden Asteroid Protection Service
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Posted - 2015.06.17 16:07:26 -
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Haghala Connor wrote:Returning to the game after 3 years of not playing all i have got from it so far is nothing but assholes in space. My activities and experience the month i have been back is so far:
High-sec mining: Sins i only had about 20mil when i log on i decide to mine for some buffer isk. But thanks to CODE i get suicide ganked and lose more than i gain from mining. No warning, No Chat, Locked, Scramed and Blown to bits, Podded.
Fine sins the player base don't allow for solo mining anymore i just do some exploring, I Buy a magnet and fit it for exploring, All fine until i accidentally pressed "want to leave highsec" and enter a low sec system, Locked Scramed and blown to bits, podded.
I Try again with exploring, this time i use wormhole to get to null-sec, first gate jump: Interdicted and killed, podded.
In summary i have lost on average 2 ships per day to players, and on average being podded half of those times and that's only because they can't use interdiction bubbles. Every time the bubble is there People pod for no reason other than its "fun" to be an *******.
My worst experience so far is when i finally got enough isk buffer to feel that i can buy an astero and covert op cloak. I get to a random null sec system and begin to look for systems with 0 people in it (couse thats the only way not to get killed) after managed to make 2 sites a small gang of 4-5 people start to what i experience as hunt me down. Begins with that only them being at a gate, i only survive the first gate camp thanks to my odd warp-in angle and warp-cloak, after they hunting me through 6 systems my luck finally runs out and i enter a system where a camp is already set up. Thanks to the ******* interdiction bubbles and how cloaking works i have 0 chance of getting away, one of the campers get a lucky align on the short while i am up on overview and decloaks me and 100mil down the drain thanks to random assholes.
During my month back in eve i have meet exactly 1 person in space t hats not been a complete *******.
CCP really promotes people being assholes with their "Don't Fly alone"-program and how easy it is to "Engage on your own terms".
"Engage on your own terms" is a bullshit sentence, if that really were the case i should be able to warp away on my own terms, but thats impossible, a single interdiction bubble cancels out every warp stabs you put on the ship, don't matter if you have 1 or 100, you will not warp away, heck even if you put 3x warp stabs on a ship you will get scramed down sins a single faction module negates it, and it one don't work just stack two and its done, Assholes will always get the upper hand sins its cheap to fit 1-2x scramblers vs 4xstabs (that don't work on bubble camps).
"don't go exploring then" "Don't go to low sec then" "don't go to null sec" "learn to d-scan"
EVE has alot of problem and majority of the playerbase is one of them, sites like zkillboards and eve-kill helps with adding fuel to the the fire.
Another bad experience i get is when running L3 Missions, and that's Assholes that hunt mission runners, Couse everyone knows that you have to have a pvp fit to do L3-missions in a battlecruiser, Scramed, dented the attacker shield before second ******* shows up and finishes the jobb. was lucky and managed to warp away before locked and podded.
Next time CCP makes a "this is eve" trailer, maybe they should show what the game is realy about: Gatecamps, podding, gang ups, warp scrambles, hauler bumpings, mission runner killing, and trick new players with the "help channel" and "eve univeristy" to believe that everyone you meet is not out to kill you.
I'm going to give this game another two weeks, if i continue to face nothing but assholes in this game by then i am contactin customer support for a refund of the subscription.
I like how we're all assholes for playing Eve Online. Does this mean that everyone playing World of Warcraft is a whining, entitled child? No, of course not. Painting with a broad brush is a surefire way to make sure your time spent in New Eden is painful. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.17 16:10:17 -
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Mistake 1: whining on the forum Mistake 2: blaming others for own faults Mistake 3: blaming CCP for bad balance
The Holy Trinity ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
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Posted - 2015.06.17 16:12:01 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:You lost a retriever with half the slots missing. You could have bought a procurer, tanked it up, and easily survived that gank. That was a decision you made.
Likewise you should usually not be losing cloaky frigates in low-sec and you should definitely not be getting podded. Null-sec can be a little harder, but there are ways to deal with it.
You've made some mistakes that new (and returning) players almost always make. Now you can either learn from those mistakes and figure out how to survive, or you can blame everyone else for being mean. When you come on this forum with your badditude you will be lucky to get any help. If instead you had phrased it "I'm struggling to surive, what can I do better?" you would have been showered in advice.
EVE is a harsh game that can be difficult for new (and returning) players because it rewards exploitation of knowledge. Either you learn or you sink. Playing the blame game won't get you anywhere, except to paint a big target on your back because no one likes a whiner.
The Retriver loss was one that i had from playing session years ago when CODE and the like didn't exist or was so low that i didn't even notice them hence my first encounter with 2xCode gankers where "my fault for not hailing the great all mighty james 315"
Losing a cloaky ship is real easy when i at the time didn't even know of the mwd jump trick (no tutorial there) and majority happens due to gate camps either at entry gate(why d-scan only be 14au i do not now) or exit gate camp (now you are dead, period)
My bad attitude on the forums comes from what i revived in game, EVE don't have a nice Beginners guide how you survie tutorial, it has a 12 stop "opputnity" that helps my grandma to dock at the station thats about it, and maybe the clutterd up forum/help chat/xxx thingy have a good, 101 of EVE survival but i have yet to find even a singel one that is up-to date with how all modules got rewamped or changed. Im not struggeling to survive, im struggling to not biomas my character.
How man i painting a bigger target than i already have? when i fly anything lower than 0.9 i feel like everyship i see in the overview is a singel lock away from scramble and killing me. |
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