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Niubi Iuzr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:13:21 -
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Hello
By traveling a lot through highsec lots of red pods from the gankings can be seen, like in Niarja, Uedama etc.
Can those pods be destroyed without loosing the ship to CONCORD? or is actually ganking supported and encouraged by CCP? since CONCORD don't shoot pods (from missioning can be understandable but police should be different)
Becasue in the current rules/features/gameplay the game isn't fun: In this case industrials (people hard working for ISK) loose more than gaining and gankers ("outcasts") gain more than loosing. At least the gankers should loose their implants each time a bad act is performed as punishment (which actually isn't near as enogh).
P.S. sorry if anyone is offended. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10196
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:16:06 -
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Yes it's perfectly legitimate gameplay
No it doesn't need to be any harder
No I'm not a ganker
Yes I have a spare pitchfork. It's going to cost you though
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
382
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:18:49 -
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If they are -5 or more you can kill them in high sec without concords wrath. They are a free kill.... IF you can catch them, pods are very hard to catch if not on autopilot.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
186
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:22:01 -
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If you think they should lose their pod for ganking, then make them lose it.
Niubi Iuzr wrote:Can those pods be destroyed without loosing the ship to CONCORD? If they just ganked someone they will be flagged as criminal and can be shot without CONCORD intervention. If their sec status is below -5 you can also shoot them freely. (they can shoot back however)
If you want to pursue a PvP career in high sec you might want to read up on crime watch.
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Niubi Iuzr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:39:39 -
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guess ralph got offended.
and yes, it should be much harder for murder in highsec, or much more punished (like all ISK and assets are taken - e.g. state/federal police in rl = CONCORD in game; and player corp banned and hunted in highsec for all eternity - one for all and all for one)
anyway so then when i see a fighting and CONCORD pops a ship, i`m free to destroy any remaining pod without CONCORD hostility even if that pod has security status of 10, right? |
Fatal pewpew
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:48:58 -
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gankers pods are empty, getting podded back to station where all your ships are sitting is a bonus. |
Wendrika Hydreiga
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:49:50 -
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Best we don't underestimate the enjoyment factor of the people out to ruin your day. And I'm sure making them accountable for the crimes with the current system is more than enough! Afterall, everything in EVE has consequence.
It's like losing their expendable, easily replacable ships and gaining a modest penalty in security rating is not punishment enough! Think of the gankers! Those poor things... |
Kali'ara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
417
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:52:35 -
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Niubi Iuzr wrote:guess ralph got offended. and yes, it should be much harder for murder in highsec, or much more punished (like all ISK and assets are taken - e.g. state/federal police in rl = CONCORD in game; and player corp banned and hunted in highsec for all eternity - one for all and all for one) It can be rather hard to be ganked if a pilot follows some basic precautions. Things such as properly tanking their ships, not carrying excessively expensive cargos in something easy to gank, not autopiloting (at least not through known ganking routes), and more.
Gotta remember highsec is only meant to be safe-er, not safe. Sometimes when people are complacent they get ganked, and not many people would support a highsec where everyone is free and safe to be complacent. Kinda not what eve's about, so yeah in a way I guess ganking (like all forms of pvp) is kinda encouraged.
Quote:anyway so then when i see a fighting and CONCORD pops a ship, i`m free to destroy any remaining pod without CONCORD hostility even if that pod has security status of 10, right? If the pod is flagged criminal or suspect yes you can shoot 'em.
Do a little research into how these mechanics work if you're uncertain.
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Stacy Lone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:53:46 -
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Ganking can be easily prevented, and NOT doing so should have consequences, too. I think ganking and it counter-mesures are quite well balanced (no, I'm not a ganker, but I haul stuff through HS all the time and yes, I have been ganked, but each time it was my own fault - to greedy, to careless or just too ignorant).
That being said, the crime watch article has been linked above, it states:
Quote: If you receive a Criminal flag in high security space (or jump into high security space with an active criminal timer acquired elsewhere), you will not be able to initiate warp, or jump through a stargate and CONCORD will spawn and attack you, gate/station sentry guns will fire upon you, and any player may fire on you without penalty. Any jettisoned wrecks or containers will be auto-abandoned, allowing any other player to take from them without penalty. |
Rastuasi
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
36
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Posted - 2015.06.20 11:55:19 -
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Niubi Iuzr wrote:
anyway so then when i see a fighting and CONCORD pops a ship, i`m free to destroy any remaining pod without CONCORD hostility even if that pod has security status of 10, right?
I believe they must be below -5 or at war to shoot a pod without Concord intervention, but I am rusty in this area. |
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1012
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:01:20 -
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Niubi Iuzr wrote:guess ralph got offended. Try again.
Remove insurance.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2037
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:18:22 -
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I'm still waiting to see what actually CAN offend Ralph.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Niubi Iuzr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:24:11 -
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that crime stuff is mostly about ships, for pods is only "Pod killing a capsuleer with an active Suspect Timer will not result in security status loss or CONCORD response." so yeah, i`m unsure since i cannot see his timer
Ganking is not really punished (as a "ganker" job, security doesn't matter), but if its encouraged, maybe highsec should just be renamed to a more fitting description Maybe a "Stadard Ganking Procedure" career agent should be added
Also, fit and autopilot doesn't do much as ganking occurs: - if they're bored - for showoff (maybe initiate into ganking corp) - for the lol - hate the skin of the ship, or character name or whatever - fit test, concord warp time test, etc (maybe) - when its profitable - when they sell the same items (so less market competition) (at least thats what i read) So they gank even if didn't scan before: ah, look its a wreathe, lets see its contents (and the above reasons)
Furthermore, maybe cargo optimizers instead of bulkheads have to be fit (not gonna enter in details of the haulers stories)
P.S. Irrelevant answer (or i just dont get the pichfork part) = ralph offended
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Hengle Teron
Explosions Delivered with Love
54153
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:24:31 -
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They should prevent anyone from activating any module in highsec.
Think that would make everyone happy. |
Jeanne Tivianne
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:25:06 -
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Niubi Iuzr wrote:Hello
By traveling a lot through highsec lots of red pods from the gankings can be seen, like in Niarja, Uedama etc.
Can those pods be destroyed without loosing the ship to CONCORD? or is actually ganking supported and encouraged by CCP? since CONCORD don't shoot pods (from missioning can be understandable but police should be different)
Becasue in the current rules/features/gameplay the game isn't fun: In this case industrials (people hard working for ISK) loose more than gaining and gankers ("outcasts") gain more than loosing. At least the gankers should loose their implants each time a bad act is performed as punishment (which actually isn't near as enogh).
P.S. sorry if anyone is offended.
This thread is going places.
To answer your question, ganker pods share the GCC their ship had before CONCORD repossessed it.
To touch on some of these other points:
CONCORD is not the police. CONCORD is more like a repo man. Do crime? Get your ship repossessed.
If the industrial pilot works so hard for his ISK, why does he not work hard to protect it? Scouting, checking systems for recent losses, and proper tanking isn't all that hard. If the ganker puts effort in to kill you, you should put effort in to prevent it.
Gankers are already punished pretty hard, if you ask me. Global timers, killrights against them, ship loss, security status loss. Four punishments. No need to make it even harder. The only punishment an industrial player suffers from, stems from laziness or being unprepared.
All that being said, if you do prepare for a gank as best you can, and still explode like a pinata with gold plated firecrackers inside, kudos to you for trying, and kudos to the gankers for putting the extra work in!
My 2 kredits.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10197
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:26:14 -
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Niubi Iuzr wrote:guess ralph got offended.
you are sooooooo far of the mark with that your not even wrong.
if you want harsher consequences, go enforce them.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23979
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:28:17 -
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Niubi Iuzr wrote:and yes, it should be much harder for murder in highsec, or much more punished (like all ISK and assets are taken - e.g. state/federal police in rl = CONCORD in game; and player corp banned and hunted in highsec for all eternity - one for all and all for one) Always late and often corrupt? Good news Concord are both; they're always late to the party and you can often bribe them to look the other way.
Omar Alharazaad wrote:I'm still waiting to see what actually CAN offend Ralph. Calling him English or taking a nip from his bottle of life and replacing it with water would probably do it
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1478
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:36:17 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I'm still waiting to see what actually CAN offend Ralph.
un-eaten bacon ?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10200
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:40:50 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I'm still waiting to see what actually CAN offend Ralph. Calling him English or taking a nip from his bottle of life and replacing it with water would probably do it i accidentally made half saxon children so iv had to concede even that
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
3888
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:45:15 -
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Ralph is just responding to "boohoo I got ganked/am worried about getting ganked/am going to ignore everyone's advice" thread number 76149280585145. It's a thankless job, but someone's got to do it. Everyone take a moment to say thank you to an everyday hero, Ralph.
Thank you Ralph.
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Niubi Iuzr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:57:11 -
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Jeanne Tivianne wrote: CONCORD is not the police. CONCORD is more like a repo man. Do crime? Get your ship repossessed.
If its not the police, maybe the ships like "CONCORD Police Battleship" and "CONCORD Police Commander" should be renamed.
Jeanne Tivianne wrote: If the industrial pilot works so hard for his ISK, why does he not work hard to protect it? Scouting, checking systems for recent losses, and proper tanking isn't all that hard. If the ganker puts effort in to kill you, you should put effort in to prevent it.
doesn't matter, a ganker said that any industrial can be destroyed (capitals), it takes only different ships
Jeanne Tivianne wrote: Gankers are already punished pretty hard, if you ask me. Global timers, killrights against them, ship loss, security status loss. Four punishments. No need to make it even harder. The only punishment an industrial player suffers from, stems from laziness or being unprepared.
no loss in those punishments (ship loss? haul gain)
Azda Ja wrote: "boohoo I got ganked/am worried about getting ganked/am going to ignore everyone's advice"
u misunderstood, please read carefully: "Can those pods be destroyed without loosing the ship to CONCORD? or is actually ganking supported and encouraged by CCP?"
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1013
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:58:39 -
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Niubi Iuzr wrote:maybe highsec should just be renamed to a more fitting description
Now we're getting somewhere...
Remove insurance.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2038
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Posted - 2015.06.20 12:58:44 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I'm still waiting to see what actually CAN offend Ralph. Calling him English or taking a nip from his bottle of life and replacing it with water would probably do it i accidentally made half saxon children so iv had to concede even that
LOL. I've been trying to pin down Ralph's accent over coms, and I've narrowed it down to two possibilities... either of which would **** him off if I'm wrong. So I wont try.
OP, chill. It's part of the game, and yes there are ways to not get ganked. Asking most gankers will provide truthful and workable advice. It is high sec because CONCORD does do bad to people who do bad. If you wander elsewhere you get the same thing but without the whole punishment after the fact thing.
EDIT: As others have stated, yes you can pop those pods. Presuming you have your overview set up in a non-derpy fashion you should be able to tell immediately as to whether or not they are criminal, suspect, or of low sec status (-5 or lower)
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
38384
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Posted - 2015.06.20 13:07:17 -
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Niubi Iuzr wrote:u misunderstood, please read carefully: "Can those pods be destroyed without loosing the ship to CONCORD? or is actually ganking supported and encouraged by CCP?"
Yes they can. As already suggested earlier in the thread, it's worth reading through the crimewatch mechanics:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Crimewatch
It's valid gameplay under the mechanics of the game, but CCP don't endorse it or decry it. It's allowed if all the mechanics and punishments are followed.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1154
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Posted - 2015.06.20 13:13:41 -
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I am sure this is just a CODE. alt who wants to make them seam relevant which they are not, because they achieve nothing and it's not even PvP and they are just carebears who like to kill new players in 4bil ISK freighters!
This thread should be closed because it's an obvious troll!
reported!
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2038
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Posted - 2015.06.20 13:14:57 -
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....
The snark is strong in this one.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Niubi Iuzr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.20 13:21:43 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:I am sure this is just a CODE. alt who wants to make them seam relevant which they are not, because they achieve nothing and it's not even PvP and they are just carebears who like to kill new players in 4bil ISK freighters!
This thread should be closed because it's an obvious troll!
reported!
sorry, but u're wrong about CODE, u're right however that this is an alt :) |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1154
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Posted - 2015.06.20 13:25:53 -
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Niubi Iuzr wrote:sorry, but u're wrong about CODE This is exactly what a CODE. alt would say
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
3890
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Posted - 2015.06.20 13:26:09 -
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Niubi Iuzr wrote:u're right however that this is an alt :) I am shocked.
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Niubi Iuzr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.06.20 13:31:35 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Niubi Iuzr wrote:sorry, but u're wrong about CODE This is exactly what a CODE. alt would say
looked you up in-game, seems u're a ganking corp so question: why would a fellow ganker pop his fellow pods? |
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