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Renegade Heart
Micro N2
427
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:56:39 -
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Hey OP at least you can get out now, while your losses are only a few billion. If you had gone on years longer imagining high sec to be safe space. you might have lost a lot more!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10275
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:05:20 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Orca Platypus is trolling, please stop feeding him. Yeah but this is the manufactured outrage thread for the next couple of days, and an odd one at that.
To his credit the op in a bold move engaged his reasoning and logic so the usual antagonism role was gone, the thread however seems to have enough inertia to power on regardless and in his absence the thread organically provided is with another, admittedly poor quality , antagonist.
You are right though he hardly warrants any further response.
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Finn McCoul
Circling Skies
27
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:11:30 -
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To save some of you some time I feel I've already answered most questions already or at least addressed some concerns some of you have raised in my previous posts but they've obviously been buried.
Here are my posts relating directly to the topic in order they were posted:
Quote:Thank you guys for some of your words of encouragement, yes I know not to fly what I can't afford to replace and all that stuff and "rage quitting" probably isn't the best way to go about it, nor was ranting over on the forums however I hope you can understand the feelings at the time.
Besides, I never expected kind comments in return and such but Carrie-Anne Moss took it to a whole other level. Thank you for all those words of advice Carrie.
Quote:I know I mentioned this in my last post but seriously thank you some of you for your harsh, unkind but mostly valid points regarding what had happened this morning.
I enjoy the challenges EVE gives, that's why I started to l play it in the first place, this morning however felt unfair hence the outburst and perhaps I had become a bit too complacent.
I've decided to keep my sub going and try again, learn from the mistakes and see where that leads us.
Also, thanks for the heads up about Carrie, her posts are now hidden!
Quote:Well, the biggest thing I've learnt today above all else is not to cry on the forums. Hell, I won't be doing that again!
@ Ralph King-Griffin Thank you for the link, favorited and will be reading tonight!
@ Zimmy Zeta Sorry, I'm not giving anything away just yet. I'll keep you in mind though if / when that time comes :p
Darth Terona wrote: I'm sorry to hear that brother.. But two things. And please, I'm not trying to troll
1. I'm pretty sure you can't moon mine in hs, so if you can't defend your freighter, how will you defend a pos?
2. Freighters insurance is excellent! Payout ensures you have enuff isk in pocket to just go buy another. Then all you have to do is 400 or so million to ensure it again...
Also, two years in game and 2billon isk loss breaks you? You have been leading a sheltered life my friend.
Quote: Not at all, and I'll try to explain.
I started playing with work colleagues, we mostly ran Level 4 PvE missions to farm LP for the SoE ships. Originally I was flying a Raven but once the Gila redesign came out you could pretty much go AFK and let that ship do all the work for you. Farming LP lead us to make roughly 70-90 mil per ship for a few hours worth of "work" but we were pulled into a corp and found the ISK we were making was peanuts.
So as for the PvP / political aspect of the game (corps and alliances) I agree I have lead a somewhat sheltered life.
ISK wise I have roughly 5 bil and then maybe twice that in assets, most was made making the SoE ships and running DED sites in wormholes.
The POS's are already set up and have been for days. I was on my way to Jita to pick up another Silo. Even after two years this is my first real time going into nul sec. This created a new challenge because we were being caught at gates so we found a site which tells you how many kills has been in a particular system so we were using that to plot our route.
We also fitted a few ships so interwarp was possible. We went from a huge number of loses to nothing pretty much overnight. We also found out you're more likely to get caught in a web bubble if you're moving from gate to gate or station to gate so once entering a system we'd warp to a planet or moon and then onto the Stargate, this help us a number of times getting to the next system as we missed the web bubble(s) completely unless the bubble was placed right on top of the Stargate.
The insurance payout for the freighter was 500 mil so I was going to put the extra 700 mil in there myself and get a new one. The Orca I was going to leave and see if anyone missed it first.
@Kinete Jenius This is exactly what happened.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
130
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:30:57 -
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The fact that you lost your pod in high sec tells me you might not have been paying attention when this happened.
Also, flying a Charon through Uedama? You should know better than that. |
Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
1214
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:54:46 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Tempted to think this is a CODE alt
It's actually not. (at least not that I know of) He was one of our victims though.
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
1639
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Posted - 2015.06.22 16:58:03 -
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I can understand not being able to do anything in again but you kinda did about everything that attracts a gank. 1-Uedama, 2-no tank, 3-an orca in your hold.
3 being the biggest issue. If you took the time to fly that with an alt or ap'd them both I doubt anyone would have bothered with you.
GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour!
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Finn McCoul
Circling Skies
31
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:01:14 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote: Why do people keep mentioning the lack of a tank in this situation? It didn't matter if his tank was maxed out or not. 18 catalysts and a talos is at least 323k damage. If they pre-positioned concord away from the bump area then it's more like 387k damage. A max tanked charon with all V skills only has about 307k ehp. That means regardless of tank that charon was going to die.
Tank isn't going to save you from anything other then maybe gank newbies. A good tank could dissuade some of the smaller ganker groups too but with hyperdunking being allowed it's unlikely. The people involved with this gank though are NOT gank newbies.
This describes what happened perfectly and in this instance (and where the frustration came from) there is no counter to three ships bumping you of course to prevent you warping. No fit will stop that, there is no interwarp "trick" or anything of that kind to get you out of trouble. A corp member did offer back up but let's be fair, the freighter was good as gone.
I'm not trying to flame or start an argument but if people are going to use the bumping technique, exploit, trick or whatever people would like to call it then there should be some way to counter it, as it stands there isn't and this is what caused me to write what I did. To an extent it was also down to my own stupidity which I'm fully accountable for and accept.
I'd also like to point out I've acknowledge my mistake(s) in previous posts. I've posted these together a few posts up for people who don't want read through the entire thread so I'd like to ask people to stop telling me it was my fault etc as it has already been noted.
However some of the criticism and feedback has been great. So thank you all for contributing. |
Pixie Tickle
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:04:23 -
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/me bumps her breasts into your chest.
Whooopsy teehee
I'm the distraction.
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Finn McCoul
Circling Skies
32
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:07:16 -
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Pixie Tickle wrote:/me bumps her breasts into your chest.
Whooopsy teehee
The best kind of bumping!
I was going to say "The breast kind of bumping" but I didn't know how you guys felt about puns... |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
57970
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:07:26 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Orca Platypus is trolling, please stop feeding him. Yeah but this is the manufactured outrage thread for the next couple of days, and an odd one at that. To his credit the op in a bold move engaged his reasoning and logic so the usual antagonism role was gone, the thread however seems to have enough inertia to power on regardless and in his absence the thread organically provided is with another, admittedly poor quality , antagonist. You are right though he hardly warrants any further response.
Finn McCoul wrote:To save some of you some time I feel I've already answered most questions already or at least addressed some concerns some of you have raised in my previous posts but they've obviously been buried.
Hi Finn, Ralph made a pretty valid point here. You see, most of us post on the forums from work, it's one of the few things that actually brings a little happiness into our dull and boring drone-lives. Could you - I know this sounds kinda weird- but, er... could you at least pretend to be the kind of person that Platypus was impersonating here? Soo..uh..we could go on flinging excrements at each other and have a little fun?
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
3921
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:09:26 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:[quote=Ralph King-Griffin] Could you - I know this sounds kinda weird- but, er... could you at least pretend to be the kind of person that Platypus was impersonating here? Soo..uh..we could go on flinging excrements at each other and have a little fun?
Seconded.
You owe us that much, your 180 robbed us of entertainment.
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
131
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:12:21 -
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Zifrian wrote:I can understand not being able to do anything in again but you kinda did about everything that attracts a gank. 1-Uedama, 2-no tank, 3-an orca in your hold.
3 being the biggest issue. If you took the time to fly that with an alt or ap'd them both I doubt anyone would have bothered with you.
The fact that anyone undocks a freighter in anything but an NPC corp hauler (and no, gankers, Petre isn't my hauler, he's a forum alt, calm down) with a scout or two is beyond me... |
Dave Stark
7484
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:15:14 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote:Why do people keep mentioning the lack of a tank in this situation?
because when 2 charons both hauling 10b jump in to the system you're in... the first one you're going to shoot is the untanked one.
don't be the guy that gets shot first. |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
57971
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:20:37 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Zifrian wrote:I can understand not being able to do anything in again but you kinda did about everything that attracts a gank. 1-Uedama, 2-no tank, 3-an orca in your hold.
3 being the biggest issue. If you took the time to fly that with an alt or ap'd them both I doubt anyone would have bothered with you.
The fact that anyone undocks a freighter in anything but an NPC corp hauler (and no, gankers, Petre isn't my hauler, he's a forum alt, calm down) with a scout or two is beyond me...
On a only slightly related note and in a far too obvious attempt to spread some more controversy to keep this beautiful thread alive, let me state that I find it pretty hilarious how we all are using npc corp alts for delicate tasks such as freighter piloting or boosting and yet condemn those filthy, risk averse, subhuman carebears for hiding in npc corps.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Finn McCoul
Circling Skies
35
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:21:06 -
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Hell, I've had it with you guys and this game, for real this time.
I can't move high valuable goods during Burn Amarr without getting ganked in a freighter!? I'm not bad at the game, the game is bad and absolutely nothing was my fault and I don't accept any of your feedback because I'm awesome and always right because my mum says so probably.
Also, this one time someone called me a nasty name and made fun of me and my dad knows a dude, who knows a dude who has a second cousin who knows someone who works at CCP he thinks and I'm going to ask him that all yous are banned because this is my game and everyone must play it the way I want it to be played.
Until then, see you later losers, I'm going to go play Elite. |
Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
3921
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:24:23 -
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Finn McCoul wrote:Hell, I've had it with you guys and this game, for real this time.
I can't move high valuable goods during Burn Amarr without getting ganked in a freighter!? I'm not bad at the game, the game is bad and absolutely nothing was my fault and I don't accept any of your feedback because I'm awesome and always right because my mum says so probably.
Also, this one time someone called me a nasty name and made fun of me and my dad knows a dude, who knows a dude who has a second cousin who knows someone who works at CCP he thinks and I'm going to ask him that all yous are banned because this is my game and everyone must play it the way I want it to be played.
Until then, see you later losers, I'm going to go play Elite.
Dicks. <3
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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John E Normus
The Conference Elite CODE.
567
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:26:29 -
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Elite is ****.
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11499
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:27:53 -
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Finn McCoul wrote:Hell, I've had it with you guys and this game, for real this time.
I can't move high valuable goods during Burn Amarr without getting ganked in a freighter!? I'm not bad at the game, the game is bad and absolutely nothing was my fault and I don't accept any of your feedback because I'm awesome and always right because my mum says so probably.
Also, this one time someone called me a nasty name and made fun of me and my dad knows a dude, who knows a dude who has a second cousin who knows someone who works at CCP he thinks and I'm going to ask him that all yous are banned because this is my game and everyone must play it the way I want it to be played.
Until then, see you later losers, I'm going to go play Elite.
Dicks. \
OMG dude you had me for a second. Well played.
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
57974
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:30:17 -
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Finn McCoul wrote:Hell, I've had it with you guys and this game, for real this time.
I can't move high valuable goods during Burn Amarr without getting ganked in a freighter!? I'm not bad at the game, the game is bad and absolutely nothing was my fault and I don't accept any of your feedback because I'm awesome and always right because my mum says so probably.
Also, this one time someone called me a nasty name and made fun of me and my dad knows a dude, who knows a dude who has a second cousin who knows someone who works at CCP he thinks and I'm going to ask him that all yous are banned because this is my game and everyone must play it the way I want it to be played.
Until then, see you later losers, I'm going to go play Elite.
Dicks.
GÖÑ
Could you maybe type some of it in ALLCAPS and add a little more typos? That would totally make my day!
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
785
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:32:38 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote: On a only slightly related note and in a far too obvious attempt to spread some more controversy to keep this beautiful thread alive, let me state that I find it pretty hilarious how we all are using npc corp alts for delicate tasks such as freighter piloting or boosting and yet condemn those filthy, risk averse, subhuman carebears for hiding in npc corps.
It's only hypocrisy if I'm not guilty of it.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
1214
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:36:11 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Finn McCoul wrote:Concord just isnGÇÖt enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesnGÇÖt protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this? Is there an effective counter to the freighter bumping gate gank? Even with a webbing associate, won't the bump prevent a warp? Is the MWD+warp trick sufficient to get an Orca away from the bump?
I'm too lazy to see if anyone else already replied to this, so if someone has, too bad.
When I need to move my freighter alts, I use a dual webbed daredevil. (I chose the daredevil cause it looks awesome, that's the only reason. Seriously) I have a microwarpdrive on it too.
When my freighter loads into system I tell it to warp to the next stargate and jump. Immediately after, my daredevil decloaks and microwarps towards the freighter (careful not to hit it), as soon as he's in range, engage both webs, and the freighter hits warp immediately.
The freighter is only on grid for about 3-5 seconds if you do it right. Not nearly enough time for the bumping macharials to notice, align to, and hit you.
If you see them on grid, you can move the daredevil closer to the freighter before it even decloaks, that way the second it decloaks you lock it and dual web it.
It's not flawless, but it's damn hard to catch the freighter that way. It works for Orcas as well.
And no, the MWD + Warp isn't enough for an Orca. It helps, but the bumper would have to be asleep or distracted. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11502
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:41:00 -
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I just use a sensor boosted Rapier. The web range bonus means I don't have to move, and the rapier is already decloaked wll before the frieghter even jumps. Mids are all webs and sensor booster plus some tank and signal amps in the lows, and my overview is set to only see friendly frighters. 2 seconds from freighter decloak to warping. |
Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
1215
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:41:10 -
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Kinete Jenius wrote: Why do people keep mentioning the lack of a tank in this situation? It didn't matter if his tank was maxed out or not. 18 catalysts and a talos is at least 323k damage. If they pre-positioned concord away from the bump area then it's more like 387k damage. A max tanked charon with all V skills only has about 307k ehp. That means regardless of tank that charon was going to die.
Tank isn't going to save you from anything other then maybe gank newbies. A good tank could dissuade some of the smaller ganker groups too but with hyperdunking being allowed it's unlikely. The people involved with this gank though are NOT gank newbies.
More to the point it was during Burn Amarr. We were ganking EVERYTHING, tanked, untanked, didn't matter. We didn't even care what it was carrying. Though obviously we prioritized higher value targets.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
786
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:42:43 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I just use a sensor boosted Rapier. The web range bonus means I don't have to move, and the rapier is already decloaked wll before the frieghter even jumps. Mids are all webs and sensor booster plus some tank and signal amps in the lows, and my overview is set to only see friendly frighters. 2 seconds from freighter decloak to warping.
I do the same thing. I use Federation Navy webs - the time delay between decloak and warp is literally the time to target the freighter.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Finn McCoul
Circling Skies
43
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:43:11 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Finn McCoul wrote:Hell, I've had it with you guys and this game, for real this time.
I can't move high valuable goods during Burn Amarr without getting ganked in a freighter!? I'm not bad at the game, the game is bad and absolutely nothing was my fault and I don't accept any of your feedback because I'm awesome and always right because my mum says so probably.
Also, this one time someone called me a nasty name and made fun of me and my dad knows a dude, who knows a dude who has a second cousin who knows someone who works at CCP he thinks and I'm going to ask him that all yous are banned because this is my game and everyone must play it the way I want it to be played.
Until then, see you later losers, I'm going to go play Elite.
Dicks. GÖÑ Could you maybe type some of it in ALLCAPS and add a little more typos? That would totally make my day!
Edited! |
Pixie Tickle
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:43:35 -
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Finn McCoul wrote:Pixie Tickle wrote:/me bumps her breasts into your chest.
Whooopsy teehee The best kind of bumping! I was going to say "The breast kind of bumping" but I didn't know how you guys felt about puns... You still owe me a massage!
I'm the distraction.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11502
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:44:47 -
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Finn McCoul wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Finn McCoul wrote:Hell, I've had it with you guys and this game, for real this time.
I can't move high valuable goods during Burn Amarr without getting ganked in a freighter!? I'm not bad at the game, the game is bad and absolutely nothing was my fault and I don't accept any of your feedback because I'm awesome and always right because my mum says so probably.
Also, this one time someone called me a nasty name and made fun of me and my dad knows a dude, who knows a dude who has a second cousin who knows someone who works at CCP he thinks and I'm going to ask him that all yous are banned because this is my game and everyone must play it the way I want it to be played.
Until then, see you later losers, I'm going to go play Elite.
Dicks. GÖÑ Could you maybe type some of it in ALLCAPS and add a little more typos? That would totally make my day! Edited!
I like this guy
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
57978
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:50:37 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:Finn McCoul wrote:Concord just isnGÇÖt enough and did absolutely nothing. It doesnGÇÖt protect you against extortion so where were / are the in game mods? Or better yet why not have Honorary Concord Members who are players protecting players against attacks like this? Is there an effective counter to the freighter bumping gate gank? Even with a webbing associate, won't the bump prevent a warp? Is the MWD+warp trick sufficient to get an Orca away from the bump? I'm too lazy to see if anyone else already replied to this, so if someone has, too bad. When I need to move my freighter alts, I use a dual webbed daredevil. (I chose the daredevil cause it looks awesome, that's the only reason. Seriously) I have a microwarpdrive on it too. When my freighter loads into system I tell it to warp to the next stargate and jump. Immediately after, my daredevil decloaks and microwarps towards the freighter (careful not to hit it), as soon as he's in range, engage both webs, and the freighter hits warp immediately. The freighter is only on grid for about 3-5 seconds if you do it right. Not nearly enough time for the bumping macharials to notice, align to, and hit you. If you see them on grid, you can move the daredevil closer to the freighter before it even decloaks, that way the second it decloaks you lock it and dual web it. It's not flawless, but it's damn hard to catch the freighter that way. It works for Orcas as well. And no, the MWD + Warp isn't enough for an Orca. It helps, but the bumper would have to be asleep or distracted.
Another important thing is to ask yourself if you really need a freighter for the trip. If you don't have to haul massive amounts of stuff, DSTs are much cheaper, much faster and much more agile while sporting about the same EHP as a freighter. Triple inertia-stabbed Mastodon is a beast, just sayin'. DSTs are so much faster, that you could do a couple of trips with a DST and still be faster than a single freighter trip.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
208
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:51:15 -
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Finn McCoul wrote:Hell, I'VE HAD IT with you guys and this game, for real this tyme.
I can't move high valuable goods during Burn Amarr without getting ganked in a freighter!!!!???? I'm not bad at the game, THE GAME IS BAD and absolutely NOTHING WAS MY FAULT and I don't accept any of your feedback because I'm awesome and always right because my mum says so probably.
Also, this one tyme someone called me a nastie name and made fun of me and my dad knows a dude, who knows a dude who has a second cousin who knows someone who works at CCP he thinks and I'm going to ask him that all yous are BANNED because this is my game and everyone must play it the way I want it to be played.
Until then, see you later lossers, I'm going to go play Elite.
DICKS
Awww. You almost had us.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
57978
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Posted - 2015.06.22 17:52:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Finn McCoul wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Finn McCoul wrote:Hell, I've had it with you guys and this game, for real this time.
I can't move high valuable goods during Burn Amarr without getting ganked in a freighter!? I'm not bad at the game, the game is bad and absolutely nothing was my fault and I don't accept any of your feedback because I'm awesome and always right because my mum says so probably.
Also, this one time someone called me a nasty name and made fun of me and my dad knows a dude, who knows a dude who has a second cousin who knows someone who works at CCP he thinks and I'm going to ask him that all yous are banned because this is my game and everyone must play it the way I want it to be played.
Until then, see you later losers, I'm going to go play Elite.
Dicks. GÖÑ Could you maybe type some of it in ALLCAPS and add a little more typos? That would totally make my day! Edited! I like this guy
yeah, he's awesome..the kind of player we need but not deserve.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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