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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:29:37 -
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One more post for the Aegis release covering a couple more small balance changes.
First of all, the Ishtar. In our ongoing to quest to find out exactly what it will take to move the Ishtar off its throne as the most dominant PVP ship in EVE, we are going to make the following changes: -1 mid slot, +1 low slot Decrease in mass from 1,100,000 to 1060000 Decrease in max velocity from 185m/s to 175m/s Agility going from .52 to .565 Power grid lowered from 780 to 740 Overall these changes should put a lot of pressure on speed based, shield fits (especially those using over-sized afterburners), forcing a tougher choice between the speed you get with shields and the survivability you get with armor.
Next up, Drone Damage Amplifiers. While the Ishtar has really taken the spotlight as the most oppressive ship around, drone focused hulls are extremely strong across the board. From the Algos and the Tristan, to the Vexor and the Gila, to the Dominix and the Armageddon we see higher damage output and activity than the competition. For that reason we are going to lower the % damage bonus from DDA's just slightly. Numbers as follows:
Drone Damage Amplifier I - 15% (was 16%) Drone Damage Amplifier II - 20.5% (was 23%)
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%) Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%) Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%) Sentient Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%)
Unit D-34343's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 24.5% (was (26.5%) Unit F-435454's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 25.15% (was 27.15%) Unit P-343554's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 25.8% (was 27.8%) Unit W-634's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 26.5% (was 28.5%)
And let's finish on a high note, the Tempest! We are looking at a wider set of Battleship and Battlecruiser tweaks that will probably come in a later release but part of the package was a Tempest buff and we see no reason to hold back on that while we pin down the rest of the changes.
We are changing the Tempest's bonus to rate of fire from 5% to 7.5% per level.
Will the Ishtar be balanced after this? Is the Drone Damage Amp nerf too much? What will you do with a 950 turret dps Tempest? Let us know!
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:31:54 -
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Mah DDAs! *sadface* |
Ktersida Nyn'Amanyn
Querschlaeger
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:33:52 -
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First! :) |
Wrik Hoover
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:35:19 -
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not ok |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:36:09 -
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OMG some tempest love finally |
Mimiko Severovski
Zero Fun Allowed Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:37:01 -
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So more nerfs to caps (supers/carriers). When is fatigue getting fixed btw? |
Aplysia Vejun
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:37:06 -
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Make the slowest HAC even slower. Great idea! BC-Speed is nice! Under 1300m/s in an armor fit with a mwd. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:38:16 -
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Meh.
I was expecting a removal of sentries bonuses from the Ishtar, just saying. You're going in the nice direction but you're just chipping away little bits here and there at the Ishtar without making substantial changes.
A slower Ishtar isn't any less broken and is less fun to fly. And you are nerfing its damage in the process by penalizing every single ship in the class. Were they really all OP?
Lets recap the Ishtar shall we:
- No fitting sink from guns
- Selectable range and damage
- Insane bonus to tracking AND optimal
- BS sized weapon
- Ability to detach source of damage from ship position. (!) Meaning you have to pick between going for its sentries and doing no kills, and not even damaging their DPS because they will just drop others, or going after the Ishtars and loose a lot of stuff in the process
- Insane sentry HPs, resistance to smartbombs, bombs, and prolonged fire. Not to mention the chore of having to target every sentry
- Increased server lag
- Easy-as-pie 10-man instant alpha
Please, who designed this?
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Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:38:44 -
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Why not just remove sentry bonuses from the hull instead of nerfing sentries, drones, and ishtars themselves? How much collateral damage has been caused to all other drone and sentry ships trying to fix this issue when simply removing the overpowered bonuses from the ship would have removed the sentry Ishtar in the first place? |
killerlman
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:40:00 -
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Not sure if that DDA nerf is needed. |
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big miker
Rifterlings The WeHurt Initiative
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:40:09 -
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Thank you CCP Rise! Very good changes. Ishtar change is going to heavily alter 0.0 fleets. AHAC style Ishtar isn't going to be as good as the shield version for sure.
Tempest buff +1 Small tweak, but it's a good start.
Edit: 950 dps turret Tempest sure, but it doesn't get any application or range bonuses
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Servanda
Liga Freier Terraner Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:40:10 -
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Will the TFI get the same ROF bonus? if you only give it to the tempest TFI will be worse than the T1 version. |
Suitonia
Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:40:12 -
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These are great changes, exactly what the game needs. Thank you CCP Rise. Drone based ships were doing better than close range turret DPS out to 60km, and this will help curtail that, also almost every single drone based ship in the game right now is very strong if not borderline overpowered, and I still think drones will be really competitive after these changes.
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:40:21 -
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Aplysia Vejun wrote:Make the slowest HAC even slower. Great idea! BC-Speed is nice! Under 1300m/s in an armor fit with a mwd.
We all will be so sad to see ishtars less. |
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:40:49 -
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Problem: Ishtar Solution: Nerf everything!
Just as well you guys didn't chose medicine as a career: Patient: I've got an ingrowing toenail Dr CCP : No problem, we'll just amputate both legs, hmm, better take the arms as well just to be safe. Not sure you really need two eyes either
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Mizhir
Matari Exodus The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:42:27 -
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Overall great changes, but be careful that you don't end up nerfing to speed of the ishtar too much.
Also I like the DDA nerfs, it will bring most drone ships back in line.
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:42:28 -
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For now the TFI will not get the same bonus change. We'll see how this shakes out and evaluate after.
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Skyler Hawk
Boars on Parade The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:42:29 -
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Quote:We are looking at a wider set of Battleship and Battlecruiser tweaks that will probably come in a later release If the battlecruiser rebalance has been delayed, will the points cost of BCs and Navy BCs for the Alliance Tournament be reverted to their original levels?
(ok this slightly tangential to the topic of the OP) |
Cr Turist
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:42:58 -
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Love the tempest buff.
Ishtar needs to not be able to use battle ship weapons. that is its main issue unless you plan to let the vaga use battleship guns.
for god sakes stop nerfing supers! come out with the capital changes and be done with it stop nickle and diming supers just cash the check. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
649
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:43:59 -
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You guys don't have a clue what you're doing. You're just playing whack a mole until you get the desired results. |
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Bunka en Daire
The Charlatans
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:44:02 -
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Why u just dont delete drone boats from game??? Even better u can mix up vexor and ishtar in one ship, so no more efforts for nerfing.
Or better why u just do not BUFF other ships, so u must nerf all drone boats, because of tiiiiit BLOBERS?
So when some1 invest year in training drones, u just nerf them and u make that one year of training pointless...
Bad thing with all this nerfing is beacuse u base all that on +200 mans fleet...so....do u think all eve players are part of CFC, PL, and other so called alliances who enjoy to blob 200 ishtars on one Maelstrom??? |
Mind Rape
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:44:12 -
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don't make ships better, just make them worse = balancing a'la CCP
gg |
Suitonia
Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:44:30 -
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Jackie Fisher wrote:Problem: Ishtar Solution: Nerf everything!
Just as well you guys didn't chose medicine as a career: Patient: I've got an ingrowing toenail Dr CCP : No problem, we'll just amputate both legs, hmm, better take the arms as well just to be safe. Not sure you really need two eyes either
The vast majority of drone ships in the game are very strong, and will continue to be after these changes.
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Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:45:04 -
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I'm trying to figure out the justification to even pretending drones are seen as a valid primary weapon system by ccp at the moment..
The type and method of changes recently depict that you intend drones to be secondary in nature.. so stop half a**ing it with omninerfs and make the design decision to do that.
Either that or force sentries to be used on stationary hulls. |
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CCP Rise
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:45:16 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:You guys don't have a clue what you're doing. You're just playing whack a mole until you get the desired results.
Whack an Ishtar.
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Aplysia Vejun
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:46:06 -
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Airi Cho wrote:Aplysia Vejun wrote:Make the slowest HAC even slower. Great idea! BC-Speed is nice! Under 1300m/s in an armor fit with a mwd. We all will be so sad to see ishtars less.
Ok with shield ishtars. But does this make brawling an alternative? No. Everyone can just fly away. |
Suitonia
Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:46:11 -
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Mind **** wrote:don't make ships better, just make them worse = balancing a'la CCP
gg
Because this causes power-creep, instead of balancing drones and the Ishtar, if you boost every single other thing, you then have even more balancing problems (very like to have a lot of overtuned/undertuned with the new buff numbers when you change so much stuff) then you have existing content like PVE getting easier due to more powerful player ships.
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Suitonia
Genos Occidere Warlords of the Deep
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:46:57 -
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Aplysia Vejun wrote:Airi Cho wrote:Aplysia Vejun wrote:Make the slowest HAC even slower. Great idea! BC-Speed is nice! Under 1300m/s in an armor fit with a mwd. We all will be so sad to see ishtars less. Ok with shield ishtars. But does this make brawling an alternative? No. Everyone can just fly away.
The current power level of drone ships is one of the reason why the kite-meta is so prevalent
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:47:30 -
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CCP Rise wrote:We are changing the Tempest's bonus to rate of fire from 5% to 7.5% per level. Still has the wrong slot layout, though. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
649
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Posted - 2015.06.22 15:47:44 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:You guys don't have a clue what you're doing. You're just playing whack a mole until you get the desired results. Whack an Ishtar.
Remove drone tracking mods. Rebalance sentry drones independently.
Problem fixed |
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