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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1607
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:19:20 -
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Zenmaster Aihaken wrote:I've been skilling drones and Ishtar for, I dunno, over half a year. I want my money back.
Trains into worlds most OBVIOUSLY overpowered hull and weapon.
These are nerfed.
Cries "unfair" that they are now maybe in the same league as everyone else.
Aaaaah eve-o forums. Delivering shiptoasting 24/7/365 |
Quadima
HyperDreams Studios
144
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:43:32 -
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Hmz... basic tempest buffed, fleet tempest not ?
Now the basic ship is better than the much more expensive "fleet" version.
FAIL. |
BadGuy NoRules
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:49:59 -
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It's not a rebalancing. It's next step against PVE and buying Plex for ISK. So many people use Ishtar for PVE? CCP will damage ballance because they don't like when ppl buy Plex ingame.
I can't play more than a few days per month and sometimes 2-3 hours in the night. When CCP does earning ISK too dificult I'll not have ISK for PVP ships and I will definitively resign from EVE. So Plex price (ISK) is too high (thanks for bubble) and PVE ships nerfed again. I see statistics: from Jan 2015 you have lost 1/4 players.
CCP please: make good price for GTC or Plex in GBP currency. Now 1 Plex costs 19.95EUR or 16.99-ú in UK (24EUR). Are you kidding? |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1985
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:53:14 -
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AngelFood wrote:Where you get your statistics from is beyond me .. ishtar still twice dps? insane now ruined .. did you forget it only has 2 rig slots
Name one T2 ship that has more than 2 rig slots.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1607
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:54:16 -
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Quadima wrote:Perhaps all marauders, it's kinda lame that these terribly expensive ships that require a huge amount of training have less damage than pirate bs, and sometimes barely on par with Tech1 versions.
Apparently you've not seen what an angry marauder is capable of....
BadGuy NoRules wrote:they don't like when ppl buy Plex ingame.
You literally couldn't have less of a clue about this. Literally, impossible. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1985
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:54:41 -
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afkalt wrote:Zenmaster Aihaken wrote:I've been skilling drones and Ishtar for, I dunno, over half a year. I want my money back. Trains into worlds most OBVIOUSLY overpowered hull and weapon. These are nerfed. Cries "unfair" that they are now maybe in the same league as everyone else. Aaaaah eve-o forums. Delivering shiptoasting 24/7/365
The funniest part is that if you've only been training for it for half a year, it was already aboard the nerf train. It's a slow train but it was on-board already... |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1607
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:59:12 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:afkalt wrote:Zenmaster Aihaken wrote:I've been skilling drones and Ishtar for, I dunno, over half a year. I want my money back. Trains into worlds most OBVIOUSLY overpowered hull and weapon. These are nerfed. Cries "unfair" that they are now maybe in the same league as everyone else. Aaaaah eve-o forums. Delivering shiptoasting 24/7/365 The funniest part is that if you've only been training for it for half a year, it was already aboard the nerf train. It's a slow train but it was on-board already...
Plus training to T2 sentries takes a fairly short time. Well under 2 months.
I did some tests and Gal BS IV and a full RR setup with T2 sentries is possible in under 2 months.
So what the hell this guy did is beyond me.
"Must train drones!" "ooooh shiny!!!!!!!" |
Moep Maschine
BINFORD The Volition Cult
1
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:01:44 -
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realy `?
I remember myselfs that CCpenis talked about walkin on station and some nicer features for this game and his players. But nothing happend.
The only thing whats happend is F.U.C.K. !
The game gets worst more and more. The big changes are good for the big mass corps and ally's but not for each player where is sitting alone in this whole universe.
With what do CCPenis adverseting ?
EVE WORDS: The Universe is Yours's "haha good joke btw"
I dont want to get the whole universe for me alone..... no - but CCPenis start adverseting like Politics, they do not do what he said to the folks. The changes a not for the single person and upper.... it is just for the big ones
So in small and understanding words.....F.U.C.K. YOU and the stupid patches ! You bring nothing new in, all is like a fart against a hard wind.
I dont like eve anymore, it is frustrating to see what they do and for what they want your money.....
F.U.C.K. OFF ! |
Natalia Abre-Kai
19
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:02:41 -
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I'm glad the Myrm, Eos, and Prophecy were included in this nerf for no apparent reason other than laziness. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1986
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:10:37 -
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Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:I'm glad the Myrm, Eos, and Prophecy were included in this nerf for no apparent reason other than laziness.
Yeah because BC are in such a good place a small nerf like that is what breaks the camel's back...
All of those ship's users much be terribly sad now. All 26 of them... |
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Catalina Franklin
Blind Assault Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:13:37 -
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Drone hate is getting old. And I think that you shouldn't nerf an entire skill set because of one ship. Why not modify the one ship in question to bring it in line instead of doing a blanket nerf and hurting hulls that didn't necessarily need a damage decrease to begin with. |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
369
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:14:03 -
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Its a torrential downpour of ratting tears in here. Hope everyone has their boots on.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Moe Alabel
Oblivion Incarnate Sock Puppet Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:17:25 -
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You have to wonder if the Devs have ever played the game with some of the changes that they implement. The recurring question in the this thread is why in the hell would you make a change that would affect all drones boats to address problems with one in particular?
Below is an example of what the change actually accomplished
Natalia Abre-Kai Posted: 2015.07.07 13:02
I'm glad the Myrm, Eos, and Prophecy were included in this nerf for no apparent reason other than laziness.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1608
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:18:03 -
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Catalina Franklin wrote:Drone hate is getting old. And I think that you shouldn't nerf an entire skill set because of one ship. Why not modify the one ship in question to bring it in line instead of doing a blanket nerf and hurting hulls that didn't necessarily need a damage decrease to begin with.
How many times do I need to quote myself in the same frikken thread?!?!?!??!?!??!
afkalt wrote:How many times do I need to quote myself in the same frikken thread?!?!?!??!?!??! afkalt wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Why is the DDA getting nerfed? Nerf the hulls, not the module. Other drone boats like the Dragoon just got nerfed for no reason. THIS IS WHY
IT IS NOT ONE SHIP
SAVVY? |
Catalina Franklin
Blind Assault Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:24:46 -
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afkalt wrote:Catalina Franklin wrote:Drone hate is getting old. And I think that you shouldn't nerf an entire skill set because of one ship. Why not modify the one ship in question to bring it in line instead of doing a blanket nerf and hurting hulls that didn't necessarily need a damage decrease to begin with.
How many times do I need to quote myself in the same frikken thread?!?!?!??!?!??!
afkalt wrote:How many times do I need to quote myself in the same frikken thread?!?!?!??!?!??! afkalt wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Why is the DDA getting nerfed? Nerf the hulls, not the module. Other drone boats like the Dragoon just got nerfed for no reason. THIS IS WHY IT IS NOT ONE SHIP
SAVVY?
So because when I started this game I was pushed towards Gallente and Drones I should be punished. Drones have plenty of mechanics that don't make any sense but I don't see any changes on those. Just the damage. And I don't see any actual numbers on that post so how do I tell how much of a difference there really is?
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2954
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:25:59 -
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Keep crying, I have lots of drones that need washed.
Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
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Natalia Abre-Kai
19
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:27:33 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: Yeah because BC are in such a good place a small nerf like that is what breaks the camel's back...
All of those ship's users much be terribly sad now. All 26 of them...
Yes because all "26" of them deserved a nerf apparently. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1986
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:32:07 -
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Natalia Abre-Kai wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: Yeah because BC are in such a good place a small nerf like that is what breaks the camel's back...
All of those ship's users much be terribly sad now. All 26 of them...
Yes because all "26" of them deserved a nerf apparently.
The BC didn't so much get nerfed as they just failed to evolve when other hull class get buffed. This is a clear example of why "pushing the bad one up" is not always a good solution. Frigs and cruiser were all brought up and it ended with some class falling in utilisation when they could not adapt.
For the same reasons we should not bring all other HACS in line with the Ishtar and the drone damage prevalence needs to be dealt with by a nerf and not buffs to other ships.
Are some droneboat not really deserving of a nerf? Yes. Should this prevent the closing of a problem because of some exceptions? No. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1986
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:34:31 -
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Catalina Franklin wrote:
So because when I started this game I was pushed towards Gallente and Drones I should be punished. Drones have plenty of mechanics that don't make any sense but I don't see any changes on those. Just the damage. And I don't see any actual numbers on that post so how do I tell how much of a difference there really is?
It's 2% nerf on the damage mod. It amount to not all that much in the grand scheme of things and yet you are crying here.
You are a typical case of "don't nerf me bro"... |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1608
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:35:40 -
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Catalina Franklin wrote:So because when I started this game I was pushed towards Gallente and Drones I should be punished. Drones have plenty of mechanics that don't make any sense but I don't see any changes on those. Just the damage. And I don't see any actual numbers on that post so how do I tell how much of a difference there really is?
You chased the known and obviously overpowered FOTM.
Punished? No, I think not. Brought into line, more like it.
What you are doing is whining about being brought into line, about no longer roflstomping comparable hulls. You'll forgive us if we are not sympathetic to your "plight" about no longer being better than everyone else.
Here are some numbers http://i.imgur.com/yfeQpc4.jpg
The only thing brighter than drones are bombs, which are AoE!!! |
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Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
277
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:36:30 -
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Catalina Franklin wrote:So because when I started this game I was pushed towards Gallente and Drones I should be punished. Drones have plenty of mechanics that don't make any sense but I don't see any changes on those. Just the damage. And I don't see any actual numbers on that post so how do I tell how much of a difference there really is?
When I started this game I played Minmatar then they got nerfed to the ground. Missiles were the new thing. I trained them. They got nerfed. Then Blasters and Drones. I trained them.
So what, cross train a bit, problem solved.
And for your information: Drones haven't suddenly become useless - You lose what, 5% dps? Live with it.
Sneaky bastard.
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Vesan Terakol
Black Saints Reverberation Project
116
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:40:01 -
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OH NOES, the DDA nerf hurts so much!
So, the 4 Navy Curators on my Stratios now have 15 less DPS exactly (380). Total of about 24 with the previous adjustment. This is a setup with no guns and I have sentry 4, interfacing 5.
As with most other affected ships, you have the option to also fit guns (Might they be unbonused, they would still push another 80-100 DPS for a cruiser/battlecruiser) with the total horrendous drop in DPS becoming even less significant.
I am sorry, but you can't seriously be crying that much. It is not logical, it is not supported by the scale of the change, most people won't even notice it! |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
369
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:54:36 -
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Ghokhu wrote:Oh Lord im so happy that World of Warships is now open Beta, cause honestly? Besides of Incursions /if you have the luck to get in fleets that is/ nothing is really worth it for making isk.
That said, CCP is going the way to make us pay for monthly fee + buying PLEX to get isk for ships, which you cannot use or lose cause NO ONE wants to fight.
Tired of sitting in station or at titan to wait and drop some poor sucker who is ratting. Tired of gatecamping in lowsec so we can kill someone who hits autopilot or is too new to really know the ways around EVE. EVE was fun, now its more work then fun.
So CCP please nerf it all so we can start over with EVE 2.0 Have fun, im out to sink some warships...muhahaha
P.S.: BTW when do you actualy plan to release Valkyrie ? 2017? 2025 ? Never?
Do something that involves you leaving high sec. Isk is easy to come across when your not hiding in lvl4s grinding isk in your afktar playing WoWS. Or, since you mention titans, stop relying on others for your content. If your only means of content is sitting on a titan, ship spinning or afktaring, then you are missing out on the better parts of the game.
Get in a ship, open your map, search for active pilots in space or ships killed in the last 30min. Then go to those places and get fights. Easy. There, now you can create your own content and its not restricted to drone boats because of some dumb null blob doctrine, or for your isk ticks.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
1014
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:17:51 -
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CCP Rise wrote:One more post for the Aegis release covering a couple more small balance changes.
First of all, the Ishtar. In our ongoing to quest to find out exactly what it will take to move the Ishtar off its throne as the most dominant PVP ship in EVE, we are going to make the following changes:
-1 mid slot, +1 low slot Decrease in mass from 1,100,000 to 1060000 Decrease in max velocity from 185m/s to 175m/s Agility going from .52 to .565 Power grid lowered from 780 to 740 Overall these changes should put a lot of pressure on speed based, shield fits (especially those using over-sized afterburners), forcing a tougher choice between the speed you get with shields and the survivability you get with armor.
Next up, Drone Damage Amplifiers. While the Ishtar has really taken the spotlight as the most oppressive ship around, drone focused hulls are extremely strong across the board. From the Algos and the Tristan, to the Vexor and the Gila, to the Dominix and the Armageddon we see higher damage output and activity than the competition. For that reason we are going to lower the % damage bonus from DDA's just slightly. Numbers as follows:
Drone Damage Amplifier I - 15% (was 16%) Drone Damage Amplifier II - 20.5% (was 23%)
Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%) Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%) Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%) Sentient Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%)
Unit D-34343's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 24.5% (was (26.5%) Unit F-435454's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 25.15% (was 27.15%) Unit P-343554's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 25.8% (was 27.8%) Unit W-634's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 26.5% (was 28.5%)
And let's finish on a high note, the Tempest! We are looking at a wider set of Battleship and Battlecruiser tweaks that will probably come in a later release but part of the package was a Tempest buff and we see no reason to hold back on that while we pin down the rest of the changes.
We are changing the Tempest's bonus to rate of fire from 5% to 7.5% per level.
Will the Ishtar be balanced after this? Is the Drone Damage Amp nerf too much? What will you do with a 950 turret dps Tempest? Let us know!
In your attempts to fix drone based PVP you have once again shafted anybody who would even think for a second, that drones are a viable damage source in PVE.
CSM 11 Candidate
My Lore Predictions
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1609
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:49:25 -
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Xenuria wrote:In your attempts to fix drone based PVP you have once again shafted anybody who would even think for a second, that drones are a viable damage source in PVE.
It's a small nerf, get over yourselves. What these drone babies need, is a HML scale nerf, then you'll know all about it.
Frankly drones are getting the feather duster treatment whereas heavy missiles took it so hard they've not sat down since mid-2012. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1987
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Posted - 2015.07.07 15:24:19 -
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Xenuria wrote:
In your attempts to fix drone based PVP you have once again shafted anybody who would even think for a second, that drones are a viable damage source in PVE.
Drones are still viable for PvE. |
Elviria Bever
Fabeltjeskrant Industries
0
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:08:46 -
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Just a question, what of the tempest fleet issue? is it getting the same buff as the regular version...... I would hope the TFI would still be a better then the tempest? |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2578
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:09:46 -
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Elviria Bever wrote:Just a question, what of the tempest fleet issue? is it getting the same buff as the regular version...... I would hope the TFI would still be a better then the tempest? nope |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1987
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:11:09 -
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Elviria Bever wrote:Just a question, what of the tempest fleet issue? is it getting the same buff as the regular version...... I would hope the TFI would still be a better then the tempest?
CCP Rise wrote:For now the TFI will not get the same bonus change. We'll see how this shakes out and evaluate after.
You probably don't want to read anything in the thread and prefer to snowflake your way in to ask your question but at least reading the blue post would be nice.
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Elviria Bever
Fabeltjeskrant Industries
0
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:13:13 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Elviria Bever wrote:Just a question, what of the tempest fleet issue? is it getting the same buff as the regular version...... I would hope the TFI would still be a better then the tempest? CCP Rise wrote:For now the TFI will not get the same bonus change. We'll see how this shakes out and evaluate after. You probably don't want to read anything in the thread and prefer to snowflake your way in to ask your question but at least reading the blue post would be nice.
oh sry derp...... |
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