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1Of9
Professional Friends Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:04:22 -
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Ishtar is my favorite PvE **** of all game, well since started playing eve.
It as a fragile enough tank, not enough buffer to sustain alot of damage, that makes me nervous every time I try to do a higher level plex or site.
This ads to the fun in game I love to enjoy.
However, with this slot and cpu/grid changes, I wont be able to do this anymore, I will have to move to another ship, problem is, I will not have that nervosism from flying a tank-fragile cruiser-sized almost-no-buffer ship.
http://i.imgur.com/p4w9PNO.png
I guess the old ishtar smile is really dead now |
Viserion Pavarius
RESET. SpaceMonkey's Alliance
8
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:06:39 -
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Hey,
That DDA change not good imo. You are not nerfing the Ishtar specifically (what Needs to be done), you are nerfing every drone boat in the game.
It would much be better to change the sentry damage bonus completly from the ishtar rather than killing an entire weapon system and by this, ships who use also sentrys but are not ridiculous overpowered (Domis, Rattlesnakes) and in addition ships who use normal drones (Gila, worm etc) |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
789
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:08:22 -
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Mimiko Severovski wrote:So more nerfs to caps (supers/carriers). When is fatigue getting fixed btw?
The horse surrenders. Please stop beating it.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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M1k3y Koontz
Respawn Disabled Initiative Mercenaries
763
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:12:54 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Suitonia wrote:CCP Fozzie - 5:47PM : PVP damage per month leader per class: T1 Frigate - Tristan, Pirate Frigate - Worm, T1 Cruiser - Vexor, Navy Cruiser - VNI, Pirate Cruiser - Gila, T2 Cruiser - Ishtar, T1 Battleship - Dominix http://puu.sh/iyxmt/3448c15a01.png Drone Cruisers Online. See sig.
Your sig is rather misleading as it doesn't group battleships (T1s, Marauders, BLOPs), frigates, Battlecruisers, or other similar hulls together.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
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Shalashaska Adam
Partial Safety
95
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:13:04 -
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Remove the Ishtars 5% sentry drone bonus and leave drone damage amps the hell alone. |
Alana Charen-Teng
Vatlaa Corporation
597
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:13:46 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:You guys don't have a clue what you're doing. You're just playing whack a mole until you get the desired results.
Pretty much. |
Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
329
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:14:26 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Aplysia Vejun wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Aplysia Vejun wrote:Soldarius wrote: But when a cruiser opens up and vaporizes a BS in 20 seconds under conditions that supposedly favor the BS while taking negligible damage itself, that's OP. Can i have this cruiser? Heavy Drone Isthar and Gila if fitted and flown right (I've seen both good and bad Gilas already). so... those Ishtars and Gilas had 5'000 dps? (assuming a nearly untanked 100k hp BS) No Solo Roam BS has that much HP unless you bling it. Fleet fits are something else, but that's not what Soldarius was referring to, I would assume.
My t1 solo phoon has 96k EHP. Id say thats pretty close. FI phoon is about 130k EHP. Most BS are capable of fielding 100k EHP without much trouble. Even solo fits once you factor in AAR amounts.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Raquel Smith
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:17:17 -
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I was initially sad about this change since I use my Ishtar exclusively for missions and not PVP. It's just a good way to spend a couple hours ever few weeks waiting for CCP to fix null sec.
I armour infinite armour tank my Ishtar and use mids for nav computer, drone tracking, cap recharger and afterburner. Now that I'm losing a mid-slot I can ditch the remote armour repairer I used to repair my drones in-space and a cap recharger. I'm still easily, laughably cap stable and repairing 574 hp/9 sec. I get a free low slot which I can put a Drone Damge Amplifier II in which will boost my drone's damage. Hopefully it will help mitigate my ship moving slower. |
Beta Maoye
65
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:18:31 -
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The subject should be [Aegis]Nerf to all drone boats. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
790
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:22:11 -
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Querns wrote:Removing some or all of the sentry bonuses on the Ishtar would be considerably more effective at keeping them in line.
I have to agree. There is no reason a cruiser sized hull should provide bonuses to a battleship sized weapon system.
The ship itself is fine - it's the sentry drone bonuses speifically that are causing it to be unbalanced. Fix the bonuses and the ship will fall into line.
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1434
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:23:29 -
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What about fleet 'pest? |
Elektrea
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
80
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:25:12 -
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Mind **** wrote:don't make ships better, just make them worse = balancing a'la CCP
gg
Its called damage creep, its already happened a little too much.
derpgg. |
Shalashaska Adam
Partial Safety
95
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:28:23 -
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"In our ongoing to quest to find out exactly what it will take to move the Ishtar off its throne as the most dominant PVP ship in EVE"
The Svipul craps all over the Ishtar on the scale of most overpowered ships in EVE, and has done since its release.
When are more nerfs coming for that? Soon I hope. |
Tyanni
Sonic Jihad The Kadeshi
8
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:41:23 -
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"In our ongoing to quest to find out exactly what it will take to move the Ishtar off its throne as the most dominant PVP ship in EVE"
CCP, if you take time to read (or skip read) the replies you've received so far you'll see the answer is simply to remove the use of Sentries from Ishtars altogether. You've prided yourselves on listening to your player community and now is not the time to falter.
What good is removing a mid slot and adding a low when it can still drop sentries and burn away and deal battleship damage, or at least out dps any ship in its class by quite a margin. The DDA nerf doesn't feel like its going to make much difference and as people have pointed out nerfing DDA's nerf's every ship in the game that uses them, some need it, other's don't.
The slot changes will make an impact on larger fleet battles, but those who use Ishtars in small gangs aren't going to be bothered by it. One less mid and one more low only means they can speed/nano it more or add more damage but still able to produce battleship damage (or damn close to) at silly ranges with low risk to the ship
So far as I can see you have two choices to bring the Ishtar in line with its group.
Option 1 - Remove sentries, leave the rest alone (clearly the most logical, easiest choice which the majority of responders in this thread have stated
Option 2 - Buff every other HAC to do what an Ishtar can do (800mm AC's on a Vagabond please) and then buff every ship above and below its class to reduce the statistics gap between them.
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SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
311
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:42:20 -
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CCP: Ishtar! They've found news of your uncle Benjen north of the wall!!! Ishtar: Let me just leave my sword right here while I go find out what this ambush is all about!!!
Moments later, Ishtar left bleeding in the snow. |
RICO Ramierz
Conservtive United National Transport
11
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:43:49 -
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- 1 mid and +1 low? I like this! Makes for a better low sec armour brawler with amazing projection as well. It would be nice for a 7.5% bonus to armour reps like the demios this would be much fun for solo. But I still think that the overall resists for this ship are way too high for the sig size and should be lowered slightly rather than nerfing everything around it ( like PG, if you want an armour brawler need that PG bois!) . And yes the DDA nerf is needed so meh |
Lara Divinity
Black Scorpion Nomads
104
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:51:47 -
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more nerfing n more n more n more this game gettin more silly by the day nothing ever gets finnishd or fixed just reduced in module balancing now n b4 ship balancing mbe its time to friggin rethink eve completly gettin tired of all the crap goin on must be really hard to deliver a finnishd product from the start |
Nadia Charne
Blueprint Haus Blades of Grass
2
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:53:55 -
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Tired of seeing Ishtars dominate the PvP blob fleets? Remove Sentries from the game completly. After all it seesm like your having server problems with them. If you do not remove sentries then your going to nerf the Ishtar so bad, people will just go back to huge Dominix Sentry fleets. As for the DDA - bad nerf. Don't do it please. Tempest sounds nice. TFI will have to be modified to keep the balance between them though. |
Terra Chrall
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:07:46 -
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Elenahina wrote:Querns wrote:Removing some or all of the sentry bonuses on the Ishtar would be considerably more effective at keeping them in line. I have to agree. There is no reason a cruiser sized hull should provide bonuses to a battleship sized weapon system. The ship itself is fine - it's the sentry drone bonuses speifically that are causing it to be unbalanced. Fix the bonuses and the ship will fall into line. It seems quite a few people want to see Sentries on Ishtars nerfed more. The sentry DPS with the new DDA change (~400-500 DPS) brings these ships much more in line with other ships. The range of Curators on a standard fit Ishtar is around 60km and Bouncers 55km with 55km falloff. Again in line with other ranged cruisers and HACs. Unless the very nature of the way sentries work by being deployed changes, then there is not a lot to be done.
As much as I like a pure Drone HAC, I would be up for a complete rework of the Ishtar to have good bonuses and fittings for Hybrid weapons and Drones, while reducing the bandwidth and drone bay of the ship. I don't even have T2 Med Hybrids yet, but I would rather see a viable dual weapon system than have sentries nerfed to the point that there is no point in bringing them.
Give the Ishtar's 4 turrets a 50% damage bonus + 25% RoF (8 turrets) & +50% optimal range. Remove sentry bonuses, change heavy bonuses to mediums, etc. Now you have a ship that can fit rails and mag stabs for range, rails and mix of DDA MFS for split damage type, or all DDAs for Medium drone emphasis. |
Fifth Blade
Jump Drive Appreciation Society Test Alliance Please Ignore
63
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:08:22 -
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The mid slot / drone damage amp nerf aimed at ishtars don't make much sense, since Ishtars are already on their way out. Relevent groups are already switching. (TFIs, Machs, Legions, Proteus). You can't expect it to change overnight unless you overcompensate, like this appears to be doing. People are slow to adapt unless forced outright.
The Powergrid nerf however.....that is justified. Most drone boats have an overabundance of powergrid, and this allows them to make fitting choices other ships couldn't without massive sacrifices. |
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Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC Desman Alliance
159
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:12:01 -
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Tyanni wrote:the replies you've received so far you'll see the answer is simply to remove the use of Sentries from Ishtars altogether That's not true. I'm consider myself a part of the community and I'm strongly against removing sentries from Ishtar. Or carriers, for that matter. Sentries are OP, and that's the problem. Balance them - and you have a good balance throughout the drone-boats. For instance, sentries EHP could be reduced considerably. |
Juan Mileghere
Incident Command Southern Star Dominion
32
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:12:48 -
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Suitonia wrote:CCP Fozzie - 5:47PM : PVP damage per month leader per class: T1 Frigate - Tristan, Pirate Frigate - Worm, T1 Cruiser - Vexor, Navy Cruiser - VNI, Pirate Cruiser - Gila, T2 Cruiser - Ishtar, T1 Battleship - Dominix http://puu.sh/iyxmt/3448c15a01.png What about Fac frig, Dessie, BC, T2 frig, and Fac BS?
Blobbing Explained
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Terra Chrall
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:19:25 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Tyanni wrote:the replies you've received so far you'll see the answer is simply to remove the use of Sentries from Ishtars altogether That's not true. I'm consider myself a part of the community and I'm strongly against removing sentries from Ishtar. Or carriers, for that matter. Sentries are OP, and that's the problem. Balance them - and you have a good balance throughout the drone-boats. For instance, sentries EHP could be reduced considerably. Sentries are not even the problem, the problem is no variation in size of sentries. The only way around, without creating new drones, would be to balance Sentries for cruisers and buff all BC and up drone bonuses.
Edit: Otherwise their is no simple way to rebalance sentries and not touch other ships. |
Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
31
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:26:24 -
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Leave the DDA and droneboats. Alone.
If you want to improve the game how about giving some "love" to the ships and platforms that the player base isn't using. Stop the continually downgrading of ships usefulness and upgrade a few ships instead. |
stoicfaux
5938
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:27:05 -
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afkalt wrote:What about fleet 'pest? Screw that. Is it going to carry forward to the Vargur?
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Schwa Nuts
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:29:12 -
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Wrik Hoover wrote:not ok
do you know why everyone and his mother flys ishtars ? Because you sit at 70km **** out dps and when you lose more then 2 isthars you just run away and no one can ever stop you
remove the 5% dmg sentry bonus on the ishtar instead
I whole-heartedly agree with Mister Hoover. Remove the sentry damage bonus. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
738
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:33:26 -
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Why not just remove the ishtars from game you lazy slob.
You are only making armor stronger and shield weaker.
More forced armor meta, screw you.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Rockstara
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
45
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:33:39 -
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fit any HAC to do damage at 70 km. It's tough to get decent dps on such ships at that range. Except for the ishtar, it is ~100% better in terms of damage than the next best option.
you don't need 5% tweaks, you need a big axe |
Drakken Lowenhertz
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:35:58 -
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I find myself agreeing with others saying that the sentry bonus on the ishtar is what needs to be addressed, a slightly slower ishtar can still warp out before anything tackles it.
I like the swap of the mid for a low, keep that and roll the heavy drone bonus to also include light and medium drones, drop the sentry bonus and lets have some goodfights. |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
110
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:42:24 -
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Mind **** wrote:don't make ships better, just make them worse = balancing a'la CCP
gg
all ways making stuff better is the dumbest way to balance....
Just remove sentry bonus and stop messing with mass and speed stats,,,,, YOU REALTY HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOUR DOING... We can all see this from your now 4th change to try and bring them inline while completely missing the point to why there used like they are. |
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