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PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:45:00 -
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From the Release Notes:
Advanced learning skills prerequisites have been lowered from 5 to 4.
As I've just started training my level 1 learning skills to level 5, this will probably save me a lot of time. However I'm just wondering why this change was implemented? I haven't seen anything about it previously.
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: PartyVaN From the Release Notes:
Advanced learning skills prerequisites have been lowered from 5 to 4.
As I've just started training my level 1 learning skills to level 5, this will probably save me a lot of time. However I'm just wondering why this change was implemented? I haven't seen anything about it previously.
The end result is that you get to train your learning skills faster. IMO I'd still train up my basic learning skills to L5, but now you can train your basic ones to L4, then adv. to L4, and then finish off your basic L5 skills, and you'll be time ahead. By quite a bit actually.
Because I said so...
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PartyVaN
Minmatar The Hand Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:56:00 -
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Yea I was really just wondering why it was added. My only guess would be that it allows newer players to catch up to other older players faster.
ack just noticed this too Skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated.
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Tricit
Caldari Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 03:57:00 -
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People who havn't already done L5 Basic, will probably save around 2-3.5 days accumulated training time when combining them all together. Nothing for people already finished to fret over.
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Shadowclan
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Posted - 2006.11.25 04:43:00 -
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Guess its time to train advanced charisma to 3 or 4 on both my accounts... but i won't train basic to 5.
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.25 04:50:00 -
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This is the best thing yet not only do new characters created get more SP!! they get to use the adv attribute skills faster!!
GOOD JOB!! CCP * Applause * My Character Stats
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.25 04:56:00 -
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Hell ya.. I put all my hauler alts in the biomass bin so I can make nearly freighter ready alts on creation.. Plus with the new reqs for adv learning I may actually train them up.. KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat.. |
Neener
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Posted - 2006.11.25 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Protunia This is the best thing yet not only do new characters created get more SP!! they get to use the adv attribute skills faster!!
GOOD JOB!! CCP * Applause *
Agreed.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.25 05:52:00 -
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mmm, R&D/production/hauling alts even faster.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:42:00 -
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Well, anything that keeps new players playing longer is a good thing, I guess! -----------------------------------------------
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:34:00 -
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On a good note i guess this lets those of us who dont want to spend 4-5 days training to get the adv charisma skill up a few levels. Yay for the "omtimized" new bloodlines who have the charisma of a donkey.
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Doc Extropy
Gallente Cradle of Freedom Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:41:00 -
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I like the change. Got my learning skills done quite some time ago and I would have learned the basic level 5 stuff anyway (1 attribute point for 5 days of training is good, mkay?). This will bring new players faster into the game, this will effectively combat the worst carebearity and make Eve a better game for all of us, including veterans and the pirates.
Originally by: Fortior Good things come to those who persevere.
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Breed Love
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:48:00 -
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this is bs, eve is getting dumbed down more and more.
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Doc Extropy
Gallente Cradle of Freedom Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Doc Extropy on 25/11/2006 14:49:51
Originally by: Breed Love this is bs, eve is getting dumbed down more and more.
Can you explain why you say that, please?
Originally by: Fortior Good things come to those who persevere.
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Ruato
Gallente Gurgleblaster Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Extropy Edited by: Doc Extropy on 25/11/2006 14:49:51
Originally by: Breed Love this is bs, eve is getting dumbed down more and more.
Can you explain why you say that, please?
Thats basic elitist attitude. "i used the time to train those skills, so should everyone else!"
And thats complete bull :p --- Get rid of those *bleep*ing secure containers. *bleep*! |
ramptrick
Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Breed Love this is bs, eve is getting dumbed down more and more.
omg!! whats wrong with people!! i take it your abit sad that you ost out on like 2-4days training thats other will gain now.. sad really sad if you dont like quit the game and donate all your assests and isk to a noob..
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:00:00 -
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I think he means that this change is an insult to us older players who did put in the time to get these skills up to 5. It allows new players to get up to speed even more.
Maybe I just want new players to go through the same pain as I did when training training skills. Maybe it's not good to just give things away like that. The sad part is that I'm not even sure myself if I'm sarcastic or not. -- Drone users unite! Support drone whinage |
Yllse
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Posted - 2006.11.25 16:42:00 -
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I think one effect we'll see is that a lot of people won't ever train that first tier skill to level 5, so while it gives them a jump, in the long run it will hurt them.
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St Dragon
Blood Association of Dragons
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Posted - 2006.11.25 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: PartyVaN Yea I was really just wondering why it was added. My only guess would be that it allows newer players to catch up to other older players faster.
ack just noticed this too Skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated.
Yep thats basically why. -----------------------------------------------
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 17:07:00 -
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Actually........ -----------------------------------------------
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Breed Love
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:54:00 -
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What I mean is that new players are having it easier with every new patch or expansion.. what about the famous "steep learning curve" that eve has?
I have a feeling that we will be able to make new chars with skills ready for battleships in a year or two.
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Draqun
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Posted - 2006.11.25 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Breed Love What I mean is that new players are having it easier with every new patch or expansion.. what about the famous "steep learning curve" that eve has?
Its still their,
Its .4 space and lower.
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Neesa Corrinne
Ordo Adeptus Astartes Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2006.11.25 19:50:00 -
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I have to agree with Breed Love. This is crap. I spent over a month training nothing but learning skills, and if they are going to lower the requirements for them, then I want my wasted days back.
I optimized my learning skills to save as much time as possible, but now newer characters will be able to start with nearly a million SP's AND train faster because of this.
I want my days back... oh, and how about 700,000 extra SP's to make up for the SP's I didn't get at character creation.
Neesa
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Ms Chen
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Posted - 2006.11.25 20:30:00 -
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good lord, people are whining as if these characters start with all of their 800k SP in Learning skills. New players will still have to train learning. I don't see any problem with boosting noobs since they're nerfed enough as it is. Think of this boost as investing in the future. One of Eve's downfalls, and yes in the eyes of CCP i'm sure this is a downfall, is that Eve isn't noob friendly. How do you expect this business to make any money if new players have to wait months to do anything other than tackle? Tackling is fine and important but there's other fun stuff to do. And I don't want to hear any of this "the learning curve is good because it keeps idiots out because we eve players are msarter than everyone on earth and deserve this because CCP are our slaves and do this for our gratification". Well gratification from pompous nerds doesn't get that condo in the alps and doesn't attract a lot of hot, iclandic chicks. If you're really upset that someone comes into the came with more SP than you did re-roll and start a character with 800k SP. Unless you're one of the unfortunate few who have started a character the last week or so, well just re-roll. If you're just jealous and still crying for a nerf, then you need a new perspective on life. This isn't aimed at anyone specific, it's just what i've seen in my time in Eve.
/rant
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Chr0nosX
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Posted - 2006.11.25 21:23:00 -
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I started on the 28th of July 28/7/06. As starting players can now get 800ksp they gain about a month of sp. 28/8/06. Now they can get to adv learning skills without learning prerequisites. For this they gain about 2 months. 28/10/06. So this means I am now one month exactly behind new players. So bassicaly anybody who started after 28/8/06 you might as well get a new account.
Well maybe not quite but you get the idea.
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Breed Love
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Chen good lord, people are whining as if these characters start with all of their 800k SP in Learning skills. New players will still have to train learning. I don't see any problem with boosting noobs since they're nerfed enough as it is. Think of this boost as investing in the future. One of Eve's downfalls, and yes in the eyes of CCP i'm sure this is a downfall, is that Eve isn't noob friendly. How do you expect this business to make any money if new players have to wait months to do anything other than tackle? Tackling is fine and important but there's other fun stuff to do. And I don't want to hear any of this "the learning curve is good because it keeps idiots out because we eve players are msarter than everyone on earth and deserve this because CCP are our slaves and do this for our gratification". Well gratification from pompous nerds doesn't get that condo in the alps and doesn't attract a lot of hot, iclandic chicks. If you're really upset that someone comes into the came with more SP than you did re-roll and start a character with 800k SP. Unless you're one of the unfortunate few who have started a character the last week or so, well just re-roll. If you're just jealous and still crying for a nerf, then you need a new perspective on life. This isn't aimed at anyone specific, it's just what i've seen in my time in Eve.
/rant
Paragraphs are your friend..
And one of the main strengths of eve is no instant gratification, which is kinda ruined by starting out 1 day away from t2 guns and t2 ships + being able to catch up.
I dont think eve needs many more players, there is enough lag as it is. There should be a harsh selection, and those who are truly dedicated and look into the future, rather than "lol z0mg i just started today lol, how do i pvp lol?" kind of WoW bullcrap, this kind of players deserves to stay.
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Emma Royd
Path of Light
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Posted - 2006.11.25 22:04:00 -
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The more I read about Revelations the more annoyed I get, noobs starting with 800k skillpoints & not having to get a learning to 5 before going for the advanced? nice one CCP, way to make the older players feel more appreciated, I've only being playing for just over 6 months, so I consider myself a slightly advanced noob, and didn't complete my learning skills until a couple of months ago when I decided to blitz them and spent the best part of a month getting 4 of them up to adv 4, giving me a +9 on my original attributes, with the lack of having to go from 4 to 5 on the basic skills I could have probably saved over a week doing that, and have a +8 instead, trained some more combat skills and then topped up the learning at some point. Granted I may have learned slightly slower but the lvl 4 to 5 in any skill is seen as a milestone, and deserves recognition as such by letting you progress to the advanced skill for the fact you've spent potentially weeks training for a 1 level increase. Granted, skillpoints are no substitute for experience, but it seems like they've given in to the nooby whiners complaining that they'll never catch up to the experienced players. **NEWSFLASH** why should you??? if I've been playing for a month then I should be more advanced than someone has just started, but also be behind people who've been playing longer. It's the only fair way of running the game, the idea behind it is character development, learning different skills, using different equipment, flying different ships etc. You will always have Noobs, and always have Experienced players, otherwise why not start the game being able to do & fly everything, there will be no 'reward' for sticking with the game.
I could go on, but fear for the safety of my keyboard as each keypress is getting harder than the last, my blood pressure is going up and my patience is coming down so I'll end my rant here.
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Blue Mystic
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Posted - 2006.11.25 22:21:00 -
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What's this about 800k SP? The most I could squeeze out of character creation was 100k SP. Are you people repeating a rumor or is there actual evidence to this claim?
I'm a noob, and I'll say this: I'm against this change. I'm furious because I trained the level 5 skills several days ago to get the advanced learning skills. I put in the time most newbies didn't want to, and now the 2nd bird gets the worm? This could effectively put me several days behind newbies who wait until after this patch to train their advanced skills. WHY? I put in the time to get them to level 5 in order to get the advanced skills, and now we're making it easier right after I complete it? Isn't that a slap on the face to people like me?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.25 22:41:00 -
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I see alot of players complaining about small things like advanced learning skills only needing level 4 of basics, and 800k Sps.
Look, it's one thing if you're a newbie and you have to remake or be weeks behind other chars, but for people who've played months, or over a year, quit your *****ing. We're not getting an extra 700-800k SPs. Did older players get a massive SP boost when adv learning skills were introduced? No. Are those players still generally having higher SPs and more experience than those of us who had them from the get go? Yes.
Those level 5 basic learning skills are still going to help you over the long run against those who only go to 4. It takes what, a year for them to pay for themselves? That means mine have already done it, as have those of anyone whose had them longer than I have. But we're probably not the ones *****ing either.
If you have the level 5 skills, you're going to be above the newbies.
Hell if you have SEVERAL of them, like some of the complainers are doing, then you've got both faster skill gaining than a new Kali char, AND you've got more total SP.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Ms Chen
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Posted - 2006.11.25 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Breed Love
Originally by: Ms Chen good lord, people are whining as if these characters start with all of their 800k SP in Learning skills. New players will still have to train learning. I don't see any problem with boosting noobs since they're nerfed enough as it is. Think of this boost as investing in the future. One of Eve's downfalls, and yes in the eyes of CCP i'm sure this is a downfall, is that Eve isn't noob friendly. How do you expect this business to make any money if new players have to wait months to do anything other than tackle? Tackling is fine and important but there's other fun stuff to do. And I don't want to hear any of this "the learning curve is good because it keeps idiots out because we eve players are msarter than everyone on earth and deserve this because CCP are our slaves and do this for our gratification". Well gratification from pompous nerds doesn't get that condo in the alps and doesn't attract a lot of hot, iclandic chicks. If you're really upset that someone comes into the came with more SP than you did re-roll and start a character with 800k SP. Unless you're one of the unfortunate few who have started a character the last week or so, well just re-roll. If you're just jealous and still crying for a nerf, then you need a new perspective on life. This isn't aimed at anyone specific, it's just what i've seen in my time in Eve.
/rant
Paragraphs are your friend..
And one of the main strengths of eve is no instant gratification, which is kinda ruined by starting out 1 day away from t2 guns and t2 ships + being able to catch up.
I dont think eve needs many more players, there is enough lag as it is. There should be a harsh selection, and those who are truly dedicated and look into the future, rather than "lol z0mg i just started today lol, how do i pvp lol?" kind of WoW bullcrap, this kind of players deserves to stay.
rants require no paragraphs
and what authority do you have to say who deserves to play and who doesnt. Even WoW has it's own time commitment before you can really PvP, as PvP in WoW is more of an end game thing. I for one, welcome our noob overlords and look forward to more people in Eve. If there's a demand for the biggest server in the world to run eve, then i'm sure ccp will build the biggest server in the world.
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