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Syrilian
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:22:07 -
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So will I have a hard time finding a corp if I don't want to give out my full API? Yes I realize it is read-only and "safe". |
Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
25
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:29:44 -
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Syrilian wrote:So will I have a hard time finding a corp if I don't want to give out my full API? Yes I realize it is read-only and "safe".
Don't give it out if you don't want to. I always wonder what someone needs/wants with my evemails. I know it's to suss out spais and **** but eh.
Either tell em no and keep looking or give them a limited one and say that's all you're getting.
A hard time? Nah, I don't think so. Unless you're trying to join some highsec, carebear industrial corp with 50% taxes (coughcoughJTClone Ares) Just make sure to fly with them for a while before signing on.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10301
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:33:26 -
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Yeah if they're in anyway competent they assume you're trying to infiltrate and gut their Corp.
If you aren't then you may want to reconsider your stance on it.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1804
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:46:59 -
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Syrilian wrote:So will I have a hard time finding a corp if I don't want to give out my full API? Yes I realize it is read-only and "safe". Well a full api usually isn't necessary. And yes you will find corps that don't ask for it. I had a director position in CODE without giving them any sort of api, and only had to create a very limited api to get set up on PIZZA's auth services. If you apply to a corp without knowing anyone in the corp before hand you should expect to have to provide something though.
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Syrilian
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2015.06.22 20:01:15 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Syrilian wrote:So will I have a hard time finding a corp if I don't want to give out my full API? Yes I realize it is read-only and "safe". Well a full api usually isn't necessary. And yes you will find corps that don't ask for it. I had a director position in CODE without giving them any sort of api, and only had to create a very limited api to get set up on PIZZA's auth services. If you apply to a corp without knowing anyone in the corp before hand you should expect to have to provide something though.
Oh I have no problem providing a limited API. I understand that I have to provide something for the safety of the corp and to gain their trust. But trust is a two way street and it seems the corp someone is applying to does not have to do much to gain the trust of the person applying.
My problem with full APIs doesn't have to do with identity theft or anything to do with my account, it has to do with in game privacy. I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me.
Maybe I am too much of a loner lol. |
Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
217
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Posted - 2015.06.22 21:42:15 -
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Syrilian wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Syrilian wrote:So will I have a hard time finding a corp if I don't want to give out my full API? Yes I realize it is read-only and "safe". Well a full api usually isn't necessary. And yes you will find corps that don't ask for it. I had a director position in CODE without giving them any sort of api, and only had to create a very limited api to get set up on PIZZA's auth services. If you apply to a corp without knowing anyone in the corp before hand you should expect to have to provide something though. Oh I have no problem providing a limited API. I understand that I have to provide something for the safety of the corp and to gain their trust. But trust is a two way street and it seems the corp someone is applying to does not have to do much to gain the trust of the person applying. My problem with full APIs doesn't have to do with identity theft or anything to do with my account, it has to do with in game privacy. I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me. Maybe I am too much of a loner lol.
You could always give them a full API after deleting or moving Evemails and then delete the API key after an hour or so. That's what I do.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
611
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Posted - 2015.06.22 22:07:25 -
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Syrilian wrote:
Oh I have no problem providing a limited API. I understand that I have to provide something for the safety of the corp and to gain their trust. But trust is a two way street and it seems the corp someone is applying to does not have to do much to gain the trust of the person applying.
My problem with full APIs doesn't have to do with identity theft or anything to do with my account, it has to do with in game privacy. I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me.
Maybe I am too much of a loner lol.
You should be able to get by with an API that does not include in game mail. However most other stuff is pretty important to them.
As far as trust being a two way street it just isn't. There is no in game mechanic that allows your corp to steal everything out of all of your hangars and clean out your wallet. There is no in game mechanic that allows your corp to go out and ring up damages that you will be held accountable for. However the inverse of that is true.
The simple fact is that the way this game is structured is that for most corps each player that they take on introduces a fair amount of risk. For the player however there is no risk at all. Sure you can get scammed out of isk or your stuff or what not by some people as part of joining their corp but that has nothing to do with in game mechanics. If you pay someone to join their corp or hand over all of your stuff to someone with no collateral to "haul it" all for you and you loose your stuff that is just a scam. They could scam you that way independent of joining their corp.
I have to admit I would not be thrilled about having to hand over my info to someone just to join their corp but the simple fact of the matter is that if I were looking for a corp right now I would not join one that did not do extensive background checks which included APIs that show everything but eve mails. The reason for this is that it keeps out a large portion of the people that I would rather not join the corp that I am in and I can't rightly ask others to do what I am not willing to do myself.
So I'd give the API so that I could be in a corp which requires APIs. The benefit that I get is reduced amount of war decs and Awoxers, and drama queen pot stirrers.
If you are joining a high sec corp that is recruiting and does not require API checks then you will amost certainly be perma war deced or at least for the duration of the recruitment period plus a week or two afterwards.
If you join a null sec corp that does not require API checks you can expect lots of spies and awoxers that will likely lead to you loosing ships under questionable circumstances and just in general a reduced fun factor.
As far as low sec corps I'm not familiar with the mechanics so there is not much I can say about that. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Triumvirate.
831
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Posted - 2015.06.22 22:22:37 -
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Syrilian wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Syrilian wrote:So will I have a hard time finding a corp if I don't want to give out my full API? Yes I realize it is read-only and "safe". Well a full api usually isn't necessary. And yes you will find corps that don't ask for it. I had a director position in CODE without giving them any sort of api, and only had to create a very limited api to get set up on PIZZA's auth services. If you apply to a corp without knowing anyone in the corp before hand you should expect to have to provide something though. Oh I have no problem providing a limited API. I understand that I have to provide something for the safety of the corp and to gain their trust. But trust is a two way street and it seems the corp someone is applying to does not have to do much to gain the trust of the person applying. My problem with full APIs doesn't have to do with identity theft or anything to do with my account, it has to do with in game privacy. I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me. Maybe I am too much of a loner lol.
well if you're going to fly in doctrine fleets they really need you in a relevant ship and they are just checking you aint gonna turn up in a drake to an armor fleet.
usually a good idea to train into what ships the alliance flies anyway...
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2015.06.23 00:35:43 -
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Syrilian wrote:I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me.
my standard answer when people try to tell me what to train and when is: when you pay for my subscription, then and only then can you dictate my training queue.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
5141
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Posted - 2015.06.23 01:43:26 -
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A limited API with everything but mail would be acceptable to me if I was recruiting, as long as it showed all of your characters on account, wallet activity, how you acquired your first billion ISK (if you've ever had that amount of assets), and the skills you trained in your first month playing. (For the last two, being clueless is a positive thing - if you had a disciplined skillplan and income I'd be suspicious, if you 'wasted' SP I'd be more inclined to believe you are a newb, not an alt of a veteran).
Whether it is true or not, just say you have RL contact details of players in your mail and don't want to accidentally dox them via providing the API key.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
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Lulu Lunette
Custodes Olim United Systems of Aridia
39
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Posted - 2015.06.23 03:06:50 -
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API key is like a lock on your car. If you left your phone in there and left it unlocked, they'll just take the phone. If you lock it; they'll smash the window and take it anyway. Now you have two problems.
Dumb analogy
My point is - the good ones (spies) will still get in anyway. I think API keys are just to keep the bad spies out. They'll be able to see everything is all.
Corps with API requirements must have something worth taking.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Triumvirate.
831
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Posted - 2015.06.23 06:26:59 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Syrilian wrote:I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me. my standard answer when people try to tell me what to train and when is: when you pay for my subscription, then and only then can you dictate my training queue.
This sort of thing makes you worthless to a corp, if you aint willing to train into the right ships then you aint any use to a corp.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:02:43 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Syrilian wrote:I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me. my standard answer when people try to tell me what to train and when is: when you pay for my subscription, then and only then can you dictate my training queue. This sort of thing makes you worthless to a corp, if you aint willing to train into the right ships then you aint any use to a corp.
So long as I could fly something for each of a corps or alliances doctrine, surely there's no problem?
As I'm still a newbie, the great festering mountain known as "core fitting, engineering and navigation skills" needs to be climbed before I start looking anywhere near fancy, high SP requirement doctrine ships.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
258
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:22:39 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Syrilian wrote:I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me. my standard answer when people try to tell me what to train and when is: when you pay for my subscription, then and only then can you dictate my training queue. This sort of thing makes you worthless to a corp, if you aint willing to train into the right ships then you aint any use to a corp.
Because he refuses to become a corp drone?
I applaud him for it. |
Savi'eska
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
864
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:36:46 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Syrilian wrote:I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me. my standard answer when people try to tell me what to train and when is: when you pay for my subscription, then and only then can you dictate my training queue. This sort of thing makes you worthless to a corp, if you aint willing to train into the right ships then you aint any use to a corp. Because he refuses to become a corp drone? I applaud him for it. This.
You don't play the game for the corp or it's leadership, you play it for yourself.
Apply to a corp who gets it and doesn't run their doctrines like anal retents, which is usually the smaller corps. The flip side? If they want you in specific doctrine flying as a drone for their ops then they better provide those ops consistently along with full SRP each time you lose a ship. Goes both ways.
As for API, don't join a corp who demands full, non-expiring API. Why would you want to fly beside paranoid people who don't trust you even to be on grid with them without reading your mails or browsing your contacts?
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Triumvirate.
831
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:48:44 -
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When you want to join a corp you are really wanting to play as a team, yeah fair enough if you can fly something in a doctrine but if you cant then you will soon get bored flying mauluses all the time or being told no we dont need that.
Every good corp has doctrines and the fc's spend time theory crafting setups which are effective against who they usually fight, a good alliance will srp doctrine ships.
Its not really a big issue to be honest, people are constantly changing skillplans to suit the ever changing doctrines. And a corp drone? Yeah kinda thats what you are really doing when joining a corp.
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Tarkom Draggunsson
PillowBrigade Inc
0
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:52:54 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:So long as I could fly something for each of a corps or alliances doctrine, surely there's no problem?.
So long as I could fly something for each of a corps or alliances doctrine, surely there's no problem?
As I'm still a newbie, the great festering mountain known as "core fitting, engineering and navigation skills" needs to be climbed before I start looking anywhere near fancy, high SP requirement doctrine ships.[/quote]
well, generally speaking, it may be a problem... If you are able fly only half of the doctrines it means you aren't able to fly the other half.
The best thing you can do is to find a corp which flies the ships and fits you enjoy the most. Drago Shouna and Savi'eska are right in the way it's your gameplay so it's you who should decide what you want to fly. But there is the other side of it too - you are joining some corp which had it's doctrines long before you ever show up. If you doesn't like it, if you doesn't want fly that particular setup, then don't join them. It's that "easy";-) |
Savi'eska
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
864
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Posted - 2015.06.23 07:55:37 -
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Lan Wang wrote:When you want to join a corp you are really wanting to play as a team Lan Wang wrote:And a corp drone? Yeah kinda thats what you are really doing when joining a corp. GÖ¬ GÖ½ One of these things is not like the other. GÖ¬ GÖ½
Quote:yeah fair enough if you can fly something in a doctrine but if you cant then you will soon get bored flying mauluses all the time or being told no we dont need that. Don't need it? I'd bring the Maulus anyway because I have fun flying it. And that's what it's all about.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
3936
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Posted - 2015.06.23 08:17:37 -
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Lan Wang wrote:...you will soon get bored flying mauluses all the time. Does not compute.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Triumvirate.
831
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Posted - 2015.06.23 08:18:48 -
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you sound really difficult, maybe explains why you're in an npc corp
whenever i join a corp first thing i ask is what ships you fly, no better feeling than showing up to a fleet in the best ship they have in the doctrines and the fc knowing you because you turn up in what he needs in a fleet, i always prioritise doctrine ships when joining a corp, may just be me but i dont see an issue with catering a skillplan to what the rest of your team fly or what your fc needs in a fleet
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
46995
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Posted - 2015.06.23 08:25:52 -
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Lan Wang wrote:you sound really difficult, maybe explains why you're in an npc corp Oh you have no idea how difficult.
I don't apply to corps, I'm invited to them.
Lan Wang wrote:whenever i join a corp first thing i ask is what ships you fly, no better feeling than showing up to a fleet in the best ship they have in the doctrines and the fc knowing you because you turn up in what he needs in a fleet, i always prioritise doctrine ships when joining a corp, may just be me but i dont see an issue with catering a skillplan to what the rest of your team fly or what your fc needs in a fleet Agreed, but there's a big difference between demanding doctrine and skillplans, and merely recommending preferences.
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Savi'eska
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
873
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Posted - 2015.06.23 08:35:36 -
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You tell 'em Aunt Erica.
I even had to put a note in my bio telling people to stop ******* inviting me to corps, urrrgg.
I have my own plan, thank you very much.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
46995
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Posted - 2015.06.23 08:36:43 -
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Please don't call me that ...
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Triumvirate.
831
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Posted - 2015.06.23 08:39:16 -
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as said if you dont like what the corp flies then dont join, but when checking api's people will usually want to look at skills to see if you fit into what they need, if a corp didnt look at my skills then id be a bit concerned about joining.
Erica Dusette - then you can clearly fly most relevant ships and have a record to prove you can work as a team and understand how fleets work ;)
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
47024
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Posted - 2015.06.23 08:55:59 -
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Lan Wang wrote:as said if you dont like what the corp flies then dont join, but when checking api's people will usually want to look at skills to see if you fit into what they need, if a corp didnt look at my skills then id be a bit concerned about joining. My requirements are simple - you won't get a full API and while I will work toward, or fly, required ship doctrines at the end of the day I'll fly what I want and still contribute as best as I can. I'm there to have fun with people, and I don't have fun flying an Orca even if it's what you need most right now. Most reasonable corps have no issue with that, or a polite request to leave out parts of an API (such as mails).
But some corps don't care about you, or how much fun you have with them, or even respect the privacy of your mails, they just want an extra ship on grid so they can win the next fight and don't give a damn about the pilots in the group beyond ensuring they're not here to rob them. Who wants to be a part of a group like that?
Some people do, I guess.
Lan Wang wrote:Erica Dusette - then you can clearly fly most relevant ships and have a record to prove you can work as a team and understand how fleets work ;) In my case when people invite me to a corp it's got very little to do with flying ships as it does people just wanting me around so they can enjoy the other things I bring.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Triumvirate.
831
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Posted - 2015.06.23 09:32:56 -
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and if you dont want to give a full api then thats when you stop your application right? but if you really wanted to be in the corp then you would probably jump through the hoops they ask, and even some "leet" corps ask some crazy things in order to be accepted.
but as a noob and joining you're first corp you gonna have to bite the bullet and show them your skills, they are probably only trying to help you out, especially if you have never been involved with anything pvp. Or whatever youre into (incursions even have specific doctrines). once you can fly the basic doctrines (most doctrines contain the standard t3's, hacs etc anyway) you can basically train whatever you want.
yes ive been part of the groups like that who only care about having 300 machariels on grid, its not really for me tbh but others like it, and i dont mind switching my capital skillplan to cater for the new doctrine as its a new ship instead of constant ishtar fleets.
But again if you dont want to give full api then you should look for another corp but skills are usually a standard requirement for any app
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
1120
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Posted - 2015.06.23 21:04:05 -
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Syrilian wrote:I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me. This has nothing do with APIs. It's a separate issue entirely. Yeah, APIs CAN help FCs keep track of who can fly what in an organized corp with doctrines. But withholding your API isn't going to prevent them from finding out you can't fly xxx when they ask you to ship into it and you can't. They can still tell you what to train without ever seeing your API.
Or you can join a group that doesn't dictate training at all. Or one with suggested but flexible doctrines. Most of which will also require an API check. It's really up to you.
FWIW most groups with doctrines are understanding of newer players and allow lower-skilled substitutes for a while. Most people won't complain if you are working on core skills, because that's going to improve your doctrine ship anyway. The problem usually comes when you are training something like Mauraders because you feel like when you still can't fly a HAC for your doctrine. This just shows your corp you don't really care about participating in their fleets or helping them reach peak effectiveness.
As far as trust being a two way street....
It's not. Not in EVE. The corp is taking a MUCH bigger risk letting in a new member than the member is taking by joining. The worst that can happen to you is your corp mates kill whatever ship you are in and pod you (unless you are very foolish and give them access to your assets without proper collateral). Whereas as soon as you join corp you have access to all kinds of intel that could harm the corporation. Fleet locations, active member counts, active leadership, bookmarks...all kinds of things an enemy fleet would love to have.
WH corps in particular are taking a huge risk even letting you in their POS where their ships are stored. The biggest WH corps usually solve this by having member "tiers" where new members are put on probation and only trusted with each other's POS/assets for a time. It's rarely perfect though, and theft in WH space is much too easy.
So remember, when recruiters are rooting through your API trying to prove that you are a spai, it's not personal, and 9 times out of 10 they don't really care about whatever "private" things you have in your mails etc. They are just trying to establish that you are who you say you are. Any effort to hide things raises red flags, and usually those sort of people are just not worth the effort from a recruiters' standpoint.
Basically the only things I would be worried about in giving out an API
-Sensitive Intel - For example, as a director in my corp, there's plenty of information in my mails and contacts that could harm it even after I left if it was leaked to our enemies. -Trade Secrets - Industrialists/Traders often need to keep certain things private to protect their financial interests -Very Personal Info - Mails, etc. about yourself that you wouldn't want anyone to see. Most of the time the recruiter doesn't care about this and it's just your own feeling of privacy that is the concern
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Syrilian
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2015.06.23 21:37:09 -
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Cara Forelli wrote: -Very Personal Info - Mails, etc. about yourself that you wouldn't want anyone to see. Most of the time the recruiter doesn't care about this and it's just your own feeling of privacy that is the concern
Yep you're right. I am well aware of everything you have said and I know the odds of someone doing something nefarious with my api info is very small. Still it makes me uncomfortable given the aformentioned skewed trust dynamic whether it is justified or not.
And given that it is a game meant to be fun and feeling uneasy about someone having information about me is the opposite of that, I don't have to do it. It doesn't have to make logical sense.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
3950
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Posted - 2015.06.23 22:05:30 -
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Yeah, giving access to mails feels weird. The only time I've ever had to give a full API was to join Green Skull. The only reason I gave access to mail was because I knew and trusted Cara, even though he doesn't handle recruitment, his association with the group made me feel more at ease. I wouldn't even consider giving access to my mail to a corp I've never interacted with in any way. So if I one day leave GSLLC and join a corp without knowing anyone, I will most certainly not let people look at my private conversations. Trust is a big thing in EVE, earning it is hard.
In short, I understand your frustration, when a corp asks for full api, ask if you can omit mail. If they refuse, move on and find another group.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2015.06.23 23:09:12 -
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Tarkom Draggunsson wrote:well, generally speaking, it may be a problem... If you are able fly only half of the doctrines it means you aren't able to fly the other half.
As I said, I am able to fly something in every subcap corp/alliance doctrine for my main (and yes, this is not my main, it's my TMC scribbling/forum posting/Jita Trade alt).
Lan Wang wrote:When you want to join a corp you are really wanting to play as a team, yeah fair enough if you can fly something in a doctrine but if you cant then you will soon get bored flying mauluses all the time or being told no we dont need that.
What's wrong with flying a Maulus? I like flying a Maulus. A Maulus or a Vigil should be pretty welcomed by any discerning FC looking to make use of his newbro contingent. I prefer flying a Kitsune for small gang work (huzzah for 12.8 points of heated jam strength!).
As for being told "we don't need that", yeah, I do sometimes get that.
FC: we need more logi, ship into logi..... Me: I can bring an Exequror if you like? FC: Can you fly a Guardian? Me: If I could fly a Guardian, I'd have mentioned it, how about a Maulus? FC: Fine....
And this is a large part of the reason I'm determined to climb Mt. Festering Pile Of Core Skillpoints BEFORE rushing to train into HACS or Recons or T2 Logi or T3 cruisers, etc.
I enjoy the EWAR role and I'm happy to fly EWAR ships. I also don't mind jumping in either a Bantam or Navitas and playing frigate logi on Harpy & Talwar fleets. Need a CovOps frigate? No wuckers, I can do that. How about a Bomber with a Covert Cyno? No worries FC, switching ships now. Need a +1 'ceptor scout FC? Sorted.
But I'm not going to completely change my skillqueue and training plan to rush train into an Ishtar because that's the FOTM ship. I'd rather contribute what I can, how I can and how I enjoy contributing while I get the basic core skills all sorted out.
And you know what? I've NEVER been told to bugger off from a fleet. I've NEVER been told I wasn't welcome to come along in whatever low skillpoint scrub-ship I could fly.
Now, none of this has anything to do with Corp Applications API checks, which are 99% about trying to weed out potential spies and infiltrators.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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