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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2015.06.23 23:16:18 -
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oops, double post, my bad.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
614
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Posted - 2015.06.24 02:37:34 -
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Syrilian wrote:I can see people dictating skill plans and things like that and basically playing the game for me.
I've never heard of this or anything even remotely close to it happening. So really strict null sec corps will have doctrine ships that if you want to fly in doctrine fleets that you have train to fly. But I have never ever heard of a corp saying train XY and Z skills or we will boot you. I'm sure it may have happened somewhere at some point and if you ask enough people you will find someone that heard of it happening once. However that is not something that typically happens in eve nor something that you need to concern yourself with ever coming across.
This is not WoW. In eve we don't have a best in slot or an "ideal raiding spec". We are much more laid back and fun loving in this game.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
5143
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Posted - 2015.06.24 04:19:47 -
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When I'm looking to infiltrate a corp, steal everything I can and kill everything I can't steal, I usually use a character that refuses to give an API first.
If your corp doesn't ask for sensibly chosen partial APIs at least, they are doing half of my job for me.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Savi'eska
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
973
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Posted - 2015.06.24 04:24:40 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Yeah, giving access to mails feels weird. The only time I've ever had to give a full API was to join Green Skull. The only reason I gave access to mail was because I knew and trusted Cara, even though he doesn't handle recruitment, his association with the group made me feel more at ease. I wouldn't even consider giving access to my mail to a corp I've never interacted with in any way. So if I one day leave GSLLC and join a corp without knowing anyone, I will most certainly not let people look at my private conversations. Trust is a big thing in EVE, earning it is hard.
In short, I understand your frustration, when a corp asks for full api, ask if you can omit mail. If they refuse, move on and find another group. Likewise I only ever gave it once.
I was so keen to get into that corp that, like Lan Wang alluded to, I would do almost anything at the time.
So I did. And around 6 months later a Director admitted openly to me that he loved my personal mails and would often read them for pure entertainment...
Lesson learned. Full API? Never again.
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Sykaotic
Renegade Armada.
94
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Posted - 2015.06.24 05:52:58 -
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Depends on the corp and what security risks they are trying to protect.
Most do not need full api, most are just monkey see monkey do.
If the corp has a high risk of attracting spys and does not want that risk, perhaps it is useful then.
A full api does not mean someone wont turn into a spy....
Lastly, the corp you give it to, if they become your enemy... they can use what they learned against you.
Recruitment is open for Renegade Armada PvP / Merc corp.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Triumvirate.
836
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Posted - 2015.06.24 06:36:14 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Tarkom Draggunsson wrote:well, generally speaking, it may be a problem... If you are able fly only half of the doctrines it means you aren't able to fly the other half. As I said, I am able to fly something in every subcap corp/alliance doctrine for my main (and yes, this is not my main, it's my TMC scribbling/forum posting/Jita Trade alt). Lan Wang wrote:When you want to join a corp you are really wanting to play as a team, yeah fair enough if you can fly something in a doctrine but if you cant then you will soon get bored flying mauluses all the time or being told no we dont need that. What's wrong with flying a Maulus? I like flying a Maulus. A Maulus or a Vigil should be pretty welcomed by any discerning FC looking to make use of his newbro contingent. I prefer flying a Kitsune for small gang work (huzzah for 12.8 points of heated jam strength!). As for being told "we don't need that", yeah, I do sometimes get that. FC: we need more logi, ship into logi..... Me: I can bring an Exequror if you like? FC: Can you fly a Guardian? Me: If I could fly a Guardian, I'd have mentioned it, how about a Maulus? FC: Fine.... And this is a large part of the reason I'm determined to climb Mt. Festering Pile Of Core Skillpoints BEFORE rushing to train into HACS or Recons or T2 Logi or T3 cruisers, etc. I enjoy the EWAR role and I'm happy to fly EWAR ships. I mentioned this to my recruiter, they seemed happy with the idea of an EWAR nut in the corp, so when I turn up in an EWAR ship, it's not exactly a surprise to anyone. I also don't mind jumping in either a Bantam or Navitas and playing frigate logi on Harpy & Talwar fleets. Need a CovOps frigate? No wuckers, I can do that. How about a Bomber with a Covert Cyno? No worries FC, switching ships now. Need a +1 'ceptor scout FC? Sorted. But I'm not going to completely change my skillqueue and training plan to rush train into an Ishtar because that's the FOTM ship. I'd rather contribute what I can, how I can and how I enjoy contributing while I get the basic core skills all sorted out. And you know what? I've NEVER been told to bugger off from a fleet. I've NEVER been told I wasn't welcome to come along in whatever low skillpoint scrub-ship I could fly. Now, none of this has anything to do with Corp Applications API checks, which are 99% about trying to weed out potential spies and infiltrators.
You are missing the point, if you are not willing to train into doctrine ships then what is the point in joining the corp, any fc will prefer a t3 over a maulus and if you are flying a maulus on every fleet instead of even bothering to train into t3's like the fc has requested then whats the point, the skill checks on api has nothing to do with spies its to do with what you can actually fly and contribute to the corp, so yes it has everything to do corp applications otherwise nobody would ask for skills in api
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
669
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Posted - 2015.06.24 15:33:46 -
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Syrilian wrote:So will I have a hard time finding a corp if I don't want to give out my full API? Yes I realize it is read-only and "safe".
We've had this thread a few times now, search is your friend. But here's the short version:
Giving out your full API honestly won't hurt you, but if a corp is ASKING for your full API instead of a specific list of things they want to see, and they want it permanently instead of for a very brief recruiting period, then at minimum that corp's recruitment director is mind-numbingly incompetent.
At worst, it's a middling indicator that there's not one single person in the entire corporation with even the slightest idea of what the hell they're doing.
So... in summary, it's a red flag on the _corporation_, and you should probably stay away. If you refuse on what amounts to 'if you can't give me a specific reason you want specific info, I don't trust you with it' grounds, you're not the weird one, that's the default attitude of 99.99% of Eve players and 100% of every member of the human race that's ever had any common sense. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
5145
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Posted - 2015.06.25 06:00:32 -
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Sykaotic wrote:A full api does not mean someone wont turn into a spy....
A prospective recruit can be loyal, opportunistic or disloyal. There's a few red flags an API check will pick up that will weed out most disloyal recruits and some opportunistic ones.
As for someone that starts loyal or opportunistic but then changes allegiance - you need other strategies to deal with that.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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vccv
41
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Posted - 2015.06.25 08:37:22 -
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Never a full. If you really must see my skills, Ill show them to prove Im able, but it would be obvious as I JF in my gear. Want to see my isk and spending habits, assets? Nope. Want to see my mails? Nope. If your corp isnt set up in such a way that you limit recruits and their abilities to screw the whole thing up, Im not intetested anyway.Dont trust me enough to join, show up with some ships and fleet up, Ill move elsewhere. |
Haruchai Khan
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
18
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Posted - 2015.06.25 09:25:53 -
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vccv wrote:Never a full. If you really must see my skills, Ill show them to prove Im able, but it would be obvious as I JF in my gear. Want to see my isk and spending habits, assets? Nope. Want to see my mails? Nope. If your corp isnt set up in such a way that you limit recruits and their abilities to screw the whole thing up, Im not intetested anyway.Dont trust me enough to join, show up with some ships and fleet up, Ill move elsewhere.
That seems perfectly reasonable as a choice, but I would imagine your choice of corps might be limited. Especially since I note that the character you are posting with has a bio that says 'spy alt'. I'd think such a revelation would be career limiting in addition to your reluctance to give an API, so if I was running a corp, I suspect you'd not be invited to join.
But it is much more useful to know than your API, I'd guess. |
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Triumvirate.
838
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Posted - 2015.06.25 10:25:51 -
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vccv wrote: but it would be obvious as I JF in my gear
you can tell what people can fly because you use a jf?
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Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp The Bastion
35
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Posted - 2015.06.25 15:10:24 -
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I had never before (ran my own Corp for ages - but small and controlled) given out my API until I joined my current Corp.
I'm now a part of my Corp Recruitment Team and I check APIs - full and non-expiring ones.
(It should perhaps be passingly noted that I have recruited and managed people IRL too; as well as having carried out basic government security checks.)
If you find it a bit strange in a 'game', then consider it just a part of the Role Play element.
Is it needed, yes it is, for EVE is a game unlike almost any other.
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vccv
41
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Posted - 2015.06.25 17:56:46 -
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Lan Wang wrote:vccv wrote: but it would be obvious as I JF in my gear you can tell what people can fly because you use a jf?
Dont be daft...
Obviously If you want F1 monkeys in Caracals, and I show up with 20 of them and a few billion in modules.. I have no problem fielding the requested doctrine. |
vccv
41
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Posted - 2015.06.25 17:58:55 -
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Haruchai Khan wrote:vccv wrote:Never a full. If you really must see my skills, Ill show them to prove Im able, but it would be obvious as I JF in my gear. Want to see my isk and spending habits, assets? Nope. Want to see my mails? Nope. If your corp isnt set up in such a way that you limit recruits and their abilities to screw the whole thing up, Im not intetested anyway.Dont trust me enough to join, show up with some ships and fleet up, Ill move elsewhere. That seems perfectly reasonable as a choice, but I would imagine your choice of corps might be limited. Especially since I note that the character you are posting with has a bio that says 'spy alt'. I'd think such a revelation would be career limiting in addition to your reluctance to give an API, so if I was running a corp, I suspect you'd not be invited to join. But it is much more useful to know than your API, I'd guess.
If I applied with this character / account, Id say you have every right to be suspicious. You are correct.
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