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Pastor Wallace
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 04:55:00 -
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Ok let see first you make ravens completly useless in Fleet combat. To the point no Decent FC wants them in his fleet. The You make us t2 missles. Ok still we are usless because the missles dont hit the target before the turret ships blow it up. However the Rages make the raven usefull for attacking Cap ships. And the javelins gave us some role in small fleet ops or solo, Now you SCREW us over again by making our missles useless once again. I mean teh RAGE is already ungodly slow, and has no range. Now you make it even worse. And the Javelins were just fine the way they were. But no you have to screw those up too. And to top it all off you Betray Caldari by making the new ship a rail boat. So that us specialized missle spewers now have 3 god **** months to fit the t2 rails we NEVER NEEDED before. You know: why not just take the **** Caldari out of the game since obviously you CCP hate them with a passion. I mean honestly, 3 years ago Caldari ruled the stars, now we arnt even a player anymore. Stop RUINING MY GOD **** RACE!!!
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Ruato
Gallente Gurgleblaster Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.25 05:38:00 -
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You got nerfed, but so did every other race (T2 ammo).
Get over it. --- Get rid of those *bleep*ing secure containers. *bleep*! |
Reggie Stoneloader
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.25 07:56:00 -
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The race wasn't nerfed. Jav torps were awfully beefy before, and their nerf isn't that unfair. The Rokh will earn us a place in fleet warfare that missiles could never offer us. Besides, you should be close to T2 large rails, thanks to your Eagle skills.
If you specialize in battleship-level missiles, you get to own all PvE situations with authority. Making them less useful for PvP is a legitimate nerf for balance. The last thing we need is for all those lousy mission running carebears to be unbeatable in fights. -------------- Civis Ascendant Sum |
Ellaine TashMurkon
MetaForge
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Posted - 2006.11.25 08:28:00 -
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Caldari always were best PvE race, farming space about twice as fast, twice as safe and with twice less skill points needed. Even if they ever had any drawbacks in pvp, they made that up with replacing ships faster thans to better income :) Their only real drawback was lack of fleet sniper battleship. It wasn't really that bad, because they still were very usefull in Scorpion. If You cant have Your corp/ally members use them because "oh no, I wont get in final blow on KM and I'll be called primary", thats Your weakness, not racial problem. Now they also get about the best sniper BS, especialy for lowskill characters (like 3/4 of new character population, Achura), Rokh.
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W1ck3d 8uZz
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.25 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pastor Wallace Ok let see first you make ravens completly useless in Fleet combat. To the point no Decent FC wants them in his fleet. The You make us t2 missles. Ok still we are usless because the missles dont hit the target before the turret ships blow it up.
find ur own targets and instapop something else? fcorse u wont kill anything b4 guns do so search for target somewhere down the list
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Alkirin
Gallente Die Hard Mining
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:04:00 -
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Hate Caldari? At least CCP pays you the time of day to repeatedly twink missiles, be it for better or worse.
Drones, on the other hand, have been broken for years, and have finally recieved a tiny tweak, that doesn't even help that much.
Then, we're looking at them not recieveing any bonuses come the massive HP boost to everything else.
You have no room to complain.
[Cogito Ergo Sum Atheios] - Alkirin of Scientia Obscura |
Lord Severenth
Caldari UNIVERSAL TECH TRADE FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.11.25 16:03:00 -
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Well i gotta admit, for a new charecter myself, ( trained a lot in missiles ) it does feel like a bit of a kick in the balls
Im now gonna have to spend the next 2-3 months just to try and blance it out with rail gun skills, like most new players, will put a kink in many plans, myself personally in the regards to manticore, assult frigates, interceptors and the plan to head to intradictors, mostley missile based. --------------------------------------------------
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.11.25 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: HankMurphy on 25/11/2006 22:00:19
Originally by: Pastor Wallace Ok let see first you make ravens completly useless in Fleet combat. To the point no Decent FC wants them in his fleet. The You make us t2 missles. Ok still we are usless because the missles dont hit the target before the turret ships blow it up. However the Rages make the raven usefull for attacking Cap ships. And the javelins gave us some role in small fleet ops or solo, Now you SCREW us over again by making our missles useless once again. I mean teh RAGE is already ungodly slow, and has no range. Now you make it even worse. And the Javelins were just fine the way they were. But no you have to screw those up too. And to top it all off you Betray Caldari by making the new ship a rail boat. So that us specialized missle spewers now have 3 god **** months to fit the t2 rails we NEVER NEEDED before. You know: why not just take the **** Caldari out of the game since obviously you CCP hate them with a passion. I mean honestly, 3 years ago Caldari ruled the stars, now we arnt even a player anymore. Stop RUINING MY GOD **** RACE!!!
feat & ideas ^^
Originally by: Alimis Drevon Edited by: Alimis Drevon on 25/11/2006 05:02:49 Ok let see first you make ravens completly useless in Fleet combat. To the point no Decent FC wants them in his fleet. The You make us t2 missles. Ok still we are usless because the missles dont hit the target before the turret ships blow it up. However the Rages make the raven usefull for attacking Cap ships. And the javelins gave us some role in small fleet ops or solo, Now you SCREW us over again by making our missles useless once again. I mean teh RAGE is already ungodly slow, and has no range. Now you make it even worse. And the Javelins were just fine the way they were. But no you have to screw those up too. And to top it all off you Betray Caldari by making the new ship a rail boat. So that us specialized missle spewers now have 3 darn months to fit the t2 rails we NEVER NEEDED before. You know: why not just take the Caldari out of the game since obviously you CCP hate them with a passion. I mean honestly, 3 years ago Caldari ruled the stars, now we arnt even a player anymore. Stop RUINING MY RACE!!!
Moved from General Discussion -Suvetar
ships & mods ^^ hungary for attention? both you and your alt
ham javs, ew spec ships, the drake, the rohk.
frack off. go sell stupid somewhere else
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Grape Juice
Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: G*****Juice on 26/11/2006 07:29:52 Maybe the OP should try to understand that he doesn't need to specialize in every single ship that comes out...
Can't use T2 rails? Use a Raven and your T2 seige launchers.
PvP is getting the nerfbat to prolong fights. Adapt or go play WoW.
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Almarez
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:05:00 -
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Okay, Ya I don't know what you're talking about. Caldari have all the benefits of the game without any of the draw backs. You can train into either guns or missles, you can shoot with no cap if you use missles and can tank with no cap with shields. You want to know who they really hate...Amarr. Lasers are by far the most nerfed thing in this game.
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Reggie Stoneloader
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:33:00 -
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Amarr do seem to be the losers of EvE lately. Just turn all those RoF bonuses into damage bonuses, and you'll be in very good shape, I think. -------------- Civis Ascendant Sum |
Dacen Chilar
Caldari Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.11.29 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dacen Chilar on 29/11/2006 19:36:38 don't if this thread is the right one to post this in:
why make the ecm moduls use huge amount of cpu and giv every ship you see as ew specialized ship a bonus of 99% reduction in cpu usage of ecm modules. i would be very happy with that and you would honor the background story of caldari (which you aren't doing at this moment)
this missiles and stuff make them powerful short range weapons as they are intended to be.
the tanking situation is good how it is now.
it just my suggestion, but im very angry about the ecm nerf. you are stealing the purpose of a race and with not matching the own invented background story you are betraying youre self,
... sort of^^ its a game so don't take it that serious, but hey i like the game so make it cool
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Almarez
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Posted - 2006.11.29 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader Amarr do seem to be the losers of EvE lately. Just turn all those RoF bonuses into damage bonuses, and you'll be in very good shape, I think.
This and possibly changing the thermal/EM split would make lasers usable in PVP. Or somehow providing access to one more damage type.
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Vorok
Draconis Navitas Aeterna
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Posted - 2006.12.01 08:44:00 -
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Observation: Every time there is a patch, all four races, pirates, carebears, 0.0 alliances, empire corps, T2 BPO holders, little-guy industrialists, and mission runners all complain that CCP has either made their chosen ship/play style/home/dinner plans unworkable or showed favoritism to everyone else but them. It's like it's a contest to prove who CCP hates the most.
Just an observation.
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.01 09:12:00 -
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hmmm I just looked up some caldari agents and man oh man they have a ton of them.
anyhow I think theres alot more to it than they hate my race. many other things to consider other than I have the best ship or I can kill faster. My Character Stats
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ChronoLynx
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.12.01 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Pastor Wallace Ok let see first you make ravens completly useless in Fleet combat. To the point no Decent FC wants them in his fleet. The You make us t2 missles. Ok still we are usless because the missles dont hit the target before the turret ships blow it up. However the Rages make the raven usefull for attacking Cap ships. And the javelins gave us some role in small fleet ops or solo, Now you SCREW us over again by making our missles useless once again. I mean teh RAGE is already ungodly slow, and has no range. Now you make it even worse. And the Javelins were just fine the way they were. But no you have to screw those up too. And to top it all off you Betray Caldari by making the new ship a rail boat. So that us specialized missle spewers now have 3 god **** months to fit the t2 rails we NEVER NEEDED before. You know: why not just take the **** Caldari out of the game since obviously you CCP hate them with a passion. I mean honestly, 3 years ago Caldari ruled the stars, now we arnt even a player anymore. Stop RUINING MY GOD **** RACE!!!
Hey, they didn't nerf caldari! I am a caldari pilot, therefor I trained for Siege, Cruise, and Rails. I needed Siege at one time because they had a better ROF then cruise and shot cruise, then that changed. I swapped to Cruise launchers because they were now the pwnmobile weapon, and after that I trained up the rail skills for the eagle. Next I retrained the siege skills because that made me one leap closer to a BFS with BFLs that shoot BFMs. I stopped fitting my Scorpian with Missiles and started using large rails. At that point I decided it was time to get to the T2 Railguns so I worked that up.
Now caldari have a fleet ship other then the "Look its a scorp! looks like he is a pod now" ship. The raven has never been good for fleet combat, it has always been "My missiles are almost to the target... almost there... keep going, arg, he warped out... GFD".
O, BTW, if you want your raven to work, stick the 4 tachs on it again, they still work on a raven, just has to be a light shield tank with many rechargers. Same is true for the scorp.
Now I will get down to the point. Caldari are not being nerf, they are being fixed, I will admit that the javilin torps were grossly overpowered but by the same token I believe they need to swich the explosion radius down to 300 again or increase the missiles damage by abiut 10%.
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Since the rant is over I will point out all the rail ships caldari has and needs to have rails for. Rail boats for caldari are the Merlin, Harpy, Raptor, Cormorant, Moa, Eagle, Ferox, Vulture, Scorp, Rokh and before they changed the osprey it was also a rail boat. Missile boats for caldari are the Kestrel, Hawk, Condor, Crow, Raptor (again), Manticore, Flycatcher, Caracal, Cerberus, Drake, Nighthawk, Rook, Raven.
These are examples from both sides, both showing that there are plenty of railboats you should have trained up for.
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Za Po
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.01 16:17:00 -
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Yeah, it's true, Caldari suck. That's why nobody plays them.
Oh, wait...
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