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Lirt
State War Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.27 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lirt on 27/11/2006 23:23:07 Edited by: Lirt on 27/11/2006 23:22:45 All of you gallente was so used to have the omguberwtfpwn at every range, sniper or close, megathron, and now the rokh comes and you cry for nerfs. Megathron was the most popular bs and all of you gallente were sooo happy you trained and trained and trained to be the best using the best bs, and now the rokh comes and it hurts you so bad you come to forums to flame it and try to convince ccp to nerf it into oblivion. Megathron WAS the most popular bs, things change and you all gallente should adapt. Caldari were next to useless in fleets and now we get a very good ship. Pre kali when u saw a caldari pilot in fleets you said 'oh waste of gang slot, with that crap raven' and you laughed and laughed and you were so proud into your omgwtfpwn megathron. Well time for caldari to laugh and be happy dont you think? Yeah i understand its hard when you are used to have the best sniper bs and now another bs outranges you, but thats life, and EVE changes, megathron cant be best at everything, close, long, sniper, its just isn't fair. You still probably are better with blasters so why you whine, maybe you are not so good for sniping anymore, well get used to it, as caldari were used to that for so long till rokh arrived. You dont have to be so jealous. And i hope CCP wont nerf another ship cause gallente are crying out loud in the forums...
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Moyra Rumsfeld
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Posted - 2006.11.27 23:27:00 -
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Noob. Rokh has a range bonus, the mega a damage bonus. Of corse rokh will be better on distance then. Compare the blaster damage, dam whiner.
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Rogerano
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Posted - 2006.11.27 23:35:00 -
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The comparison is flawed. Since when did sniper duels become all the rage? Snipers are gang or fleet ships, which means fighting other fleets and gangs. So if you're in a fleet take a sensor **** ship along and damp the rohk. He's going to be so far away you've just make him useless.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.27 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 27/11/2006 23:40:08
Originally by: murder one Edited by: murder one on 27/11/2006 17:36:41
Originally by: James Lyrus
Well, I don't agree with your comparison - The only thing that vaguely 'balances' that is the annoyingly artifical 250km range cap. (Which I think should go, but at the same time range variance needs to drop so fights are done at 0-100km). IMO that's a different problem - T2 ammo I still think is (was) overpowered, and much in need of nerfing, although some of it has probably gone from overpowered to underpowered.
The other issue is of course, that of the Rohk outranging other snipers. That's a potential problem, I'd tend to agree. I just consider it the lesser of two evils. After all, I don't see that having one ship (e.g. the megathron) better at 'midrange' vs. the Rohk being better at long range is actually all that big a deal.
Explaining stuff to you is just getting painful. The Mega IS NOT a better mid ranged sniper than the Rokh. The Rokh is better from Maximum lock range to about 35km, at which point the Mega then outdamages the Rokh. 35km is NOT sniping range. That's close range. At no time is the Mega better at anything whether it be damage or tracking or whatever than the Rokh until the range is under 35km or so. As it stands now there is no point for the Mega to exist when the Rokh is available. Why are people still wondering about this?
P.S.
I'm talking about T1 vs T1, not T2 vs T1. Justifying the Mega by comparing a T2 fit Mega with a T1 fit Rokh to say that it has better midrange performance is bullsh#t.
Do you really find the personal attacks and smacking of people who disagree with you to actually be an effective debating tactic? I don't tend to personally, but I'd be interested to find out if it actually works.
What are you actually looking for? I may have misread your original post, but it looked to me like the fact that a ship has a longer optimal is a justification for even longer ranged ammunition. Or is it somehow unreasonable that a one ship is better at something than another?
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Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2006.11.27 23:43:00 -
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Murder One has always been a ripe bastard, try to live with it, the rest of us do. ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild! |
Tomas Ysidro
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.28 00:08:00 -
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Let them all fly Rokhs, makes the ECM choices on my scorp easier.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.28 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus Or is it somehow unreasonable that a one ship is better at something than another?
Because it cannot be countered but by itself. Name any other ship which only has itself as counter.
As has been said x times already, but you keep ignoring that.
And stop trying to act as offensed party. murder one has in no way assaulted personally.
Originally by: Rogerano So if you're in a fleet take a sensor **** ship along and damp the rohk. He's going to be so far away you've just make him useless.
Hey! Hey! Hey! I have another suggestion! Lets take a blaster ship and outdps the rohk. What? It will be leaps and bounds out of range to be able to effect it and be utterly useless? Guess what! So will be a sensor damperner!
(<- only narrowly avoided making an ALL CAPs post)
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Selnix
Gallente Master Miners
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Posted - 2006.11.28 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Asariasha The opti range of Rokh is only unbalanced as long as you are too dumb to warp out just at this is already in preKali the fact if you encounter an Eagle or a stealth bomber at 100km+ while you are sitting in a cruiser/frig.
Look up the word "interdictor".
smartbomb *cough*
While you may seem to believe that smartbombs are the answer to all of your maneuverability problems, their range is quite limitted, and in the time it takes you to realize that a dictor has warped into your formation (whether it is within your bomb's range or not) it has already fired off a bubble, a bubble which will stay up for four minutes. You really think you can tank a sniper fleet that long when you can't shoot back and can't warp off? And good luck hitting that Claw or Slasher that is doing 4km/s in a 9km orbit with its web on you. You're going nowhere quick. Except for your reclone station.
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OrangeAfroMan
Minmatar Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.11.28 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv So... what... I gotta train ****in' Caldari BS 4/5 now?
This is complete crap. No ship is "better" than another, right?
Bull****.
I'm that much closer to quitting this game.
You're rather pathetic.
Yes lets have every ship from every race be exactly the same as the next race - in fact, lets all just fly around in Ibises because everyone's ship needs to = everyone elses at EVERYTHING.
Caldari got a good rail sniper that will allow the use of T1 guns in fleet combat. Thank god, it was seriously needed.
Now quit the game, noobtard.
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Xori Ruscuv
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.28 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 28/11/2006 02:01:11
Originally by: OrangeAfroMan
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv So... what... I gotta train ****in' Caldari BS 4/5 now?
This is complete crap. No ship is "better" than another, right?
Bull****.
I'm that much closer to quitting this game.
You're rather pathetic.
Yes lets have every ship from every race be exactly the same as the next race - in fact, lets all just fly around in Ibises because everyone's ship needs to = everyone elses at EVERYTHING.
Caldari got a good rail sniper that will allow the use of T1 guns in fleet combat. Thank god, it was seriously needed.
Now quit the game, noobtard.
Haha Wow You are really something...
T1 != T2, and it shouldn't be. That is going to create a loop in the game mechanics that is going to cause something really crazy to go on.
As for your ******* remarks: those are my opinions. If you don't like it, you can bite me TBFH.
It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it?
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.11.29 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Selnix
Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Asariasha The opti range of Rokh is only unbalanced as long as you are too dumb to warp out just at this is already in preKali the fact if you encounter an Eagle or a stealth bomber at 100km+ while you are sitting in a cruiser/frig.
Look up the word "interdictor".
smartbomb *cough*
While you may seem to believe that smartbombs are the answer to all of your maneuverability problems, their range is quite limitted, and in the time it takes you to realize that a dictor has warped into your formation (whether it is within your bomb's range or not) it has already fired off a bubble, a bubble which will stay up for four minutes. You really think you can tank a sniper fleet that long when you can't shoot back and can't warp off? And good luck hitting that Claw or Slasher that is doing 4km/s in a 9km orbit with its web on you. You're going nowhere quick. Except for your reclone station.
kill the bubble with the smartbomb buddy 2 or 3 battleships will pop it in the time it takes everyone lese to align out. ( if you get caught at a gate )
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Kaell Meynn
Divergence
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Posted - 2006.11.29 07:53:00 -
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So, was there any dev response to this? Or are we supposed to just not train Gallente anymore?
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.29 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kaell Meynn So, was there any dev response to this? Or are we supposed to just not train Gallente anymore?
I'm thinking the latter...
Because I said so...
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