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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.23 17:45:47 -
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Faction Warfare Combat Mechanics Adjustment Proposal AKA: Changing FW Plexes
Goal: To increase the variety of ships and fleet comps that are used in combat inside FW plexes, and to ensure that there is at least one size plex that is inclusive to newer pilots.
Premise: Plexes are used to help filter combat between various ship sizes and types. In addition they are used to adjust System Control (station lockouts) and to provide a source of income.
Primary Adjustment: Adding a gated BCs on down plex, and adjusting the current ships that are allowed through gates.
Novice Outpost GÇô Gated - Faction and T1 frigs only
Small Outpost GÇô Gated - T2 Destroyers on down
Medium Outpost GÇô Gated - T2 Cruisers on down (excluding recons)
Large Outpost GÇô Gated - BC on down (No T3 cruisers)
Extra Large Outpost GÇô Not Gated - Everything (currently labeled large plex)
Secondary Adjustments: Increase the time between plex outposts spawns to balance out having a 5th plex tied to a system. Additionally, make plexes persistent through DT and either eliminate or change the spawn mechanics for secondary plexes (strongholds, compounds, etc.) to get a more consistent playability for all TZs.
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Leto Aramaus
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.23 17:57:49 -
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So Recons, combat or force, can only go into Large and X-Large?
Where to T3 Destroyers go?
The UI update we deserve
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:09:06 -
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Leto Aramaus wrote:So Recons, combat or force, can only go into Large and X-Large?
Where do T3 Destroyers go?
All recons = Large and X-Large - This allows solo/micro engagement in mediums without having to also bring a combat prober for recons.
T3D = Medium and larger - This allows AFs and T2 dessies to have a niche (smalls) |
Leto Aramaus
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:22:38 -
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Quote:T3D = Medium and larger - This allows AFs and T2 dessies to have a niche (smalls)
Well to be honest I don't care either way about the suggested changes to plexes...
But I'd like to take this time to make a change to your quoted comment:
T3D = Removed from game - This allows AFs and T2 Dessies to be relevant and competitive
The UI update we deserve
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Nyalnara
Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:42:21 -
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Not okay with the "no recon in medium". Because i love to hunt recons with my recon. And not dealing with BCs is actually rly nice, because they are supposed to blap cruiser-sized hulls...
Except for that point, i'd also want to see Command ships excluded from large, because there is a rly big gap between T1 BCs and CSs. Kind of exactly why T3 cruisers were locked out of mediums.
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.23 18:49:18 -
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Nyalnara wrote:, i'd also want to see Command ships excluded from large, because there is a rly big gap between T1 BCs and CSs. Kind of exactly why T3 cruisers were locked out of mediums.
Updated to read Faction BC on down |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.23 23:08:48 -
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I still argue that there's no good reason to add a BC plex at all. There is no good reason to make a special snowflake preserve for folks who want to go back to the old days of BC brawls. Especially when adding yet another plex to the rotation will speed up system captures, add more LP/hour for farmers, and not change the meta much if at all. System assaults won't add yet another couple BC doctrines because of a BC plex, they'd just keep using cruiser / HACs or skirmishing in destroyers.
BCs work just fine in the existing ungated Large plexes.
If there's a specific reason why BCs need their own plex after we see the BC balance pass which should be following Aegis, then sure - I'm willing to entertain it. But I see no reason to change FW just to make BCs viable again.
EDIT:
I have no issue with Recons in Mediums; they suck when you're running around solo, but other than that are essentially a non-issue. I completely agree that T3Ds have no place in Small plexes; they completely outclass everything else that can fit inside.
We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
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Eldwinn
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:47:29 -
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I am pretty sure this is a terrible idea. This is basically a stealth "i want more isk" thread. In essence you are allowing more persons to just sit there and cap large sites in their t1 frigate that is stabbed to crap. I am all opposed to this risk adverse form of game play. A firm no on this one. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.24 00:57:54 -
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Eldwinn wrote:I am pretty sure this is a terrible idea. This is basically a stealth "i want more isk" thread. In essence you are allowing more persons to just sit there and cap large sites in their t1 frigate that is stabbed to crap. I am all opposed to this risk adverse form of game play. A firm no on this one.
Lol, no. |
Portmanteau
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.24 01:41:04 -
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Eldwinn wrote:I am pretty sure this is a terrible idea. This is basically a stealth "i want more isk" thread. In essence you are allowing more persons to just sit there and cap large sites in their t1 frigate that is stabbed to crap. I am all opposed to this risk adverse form of game play. A firm no on this one.
Wut ?
Ship classes / plex sizes have literally zero bearing on the ability or not of stabbed farmers to farm with impunity, besides it's pi** easy to kill them anyway.
As per the OP I agree, tactical destroyers as well as needing the nerf bat, have no place in small plexes. You also say that you want to create a space for noobs to compete, well in that case I would say remove faction from novices too, If you won't allow AFs in novices ... why faction ? Rail comets (are there any other kind these days) and slicers can take on and beat most AFs/interceptors. It's a tough one but a real noob friendly plex would be T1 only not only because of skill but but also isk.. do we really want to force noobs back into orbiting buttons in stabbed punishers every time they lose a FNC ?
Overall it's a good, long needed change, maybe the details need finagling but the basic idea is great |
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.06.24 18:04:27 -
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There are several additional problems with adding another plex size, which is why I am against it at this time, but I do understand why people want a unique place for BCs on the solo/small gang side of things.
It totally tips over the apple-cart though when it comes to system sieges, as well as giving preferential treatment to ships cruiser sized and larger. |
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