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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.11.25 11:57:00 -
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my ecm and missile ships are now useless. Tnx CCP. Scorp, rook and falcon are now better off with dampners. Can i get all my jamming skills swapped for ****per skills? Also plz switch my 10m sp in missiles to turrets. Sorry i didnt train for turrets instead, i acctually thought that missiles could be useful in something else than just shooting stupid npc-s. T2 torps are now total crap.
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ramptrick
Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:19:00 -
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pfffft good luck with that!! you will need it (keep dreaming)
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Patch Notes The ECM strength bonus of the Scorpion and Falcon has been increased to 10% per level, while the Rook's has been increased to 20% per level. The ECM cap need bonus of the Blackbird has changed to a 10% ECM strength bonus.
Ummm what was that about them being useless now?
KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat.. |
Ammon Ishar
Monks of War
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ammon Ishar on 25/11/2006 12:35:31 ok WTT large projectile skill to large hybrid and minmatar bs to caldari bs as well lol
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:36:00 -
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So many people just don't seem to get it.
The ONLY nerf to ECM is that non-ECM ships now can't use them well. Scorp, Rook, Falcon etc. are the only ships that can still use ECM just as well as pre-patch! Thats a pretty nifty boost!
But I guess some people hear "ECM Nerf" and just go crazy, without actually reading the ****ed patch notes............ -----------------------------------------------
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:37:00 -
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You couldn't be more wrong, this is an exact same situation as the missile "balancing" that so many people cried at. Everyone goes "nerf nerf! i'm rubbish now! watch me throw a tantrum."
With their new bonuses + the low slot ecm boosting modules + rigs (yeah bet you didn't even look into them did you...) You can now have even more powerful jamming ships... yep thats a real nerf you got there. Kthxbye.
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ragewind
Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:55:00 -
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ECM is ****ed
you need mids for the ECM you need lows for the strength mods so there goses the already paper thin tank that the scorp ect had
and the ECM rigs remove shields so they screem ECM/nos/drones domi lives again
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.11.25 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kiyano on 25/11/2006 13:00:20
Originally by: ragewind ECM is ****ed
you need mids for the ECM you need lows for the strength mods so there goses the already paper thin tank that the scorp ect had
and the ECM rigs remove shields so they screem ECM/nos/drones domi lives again
ECM low slot modules are only "needed" to make non ECM ships good at ECM, the bonuses that the scorp gets will make it good enough without them, the rigs and the modules (if you choose to put them on.) Will just make it stronger.
Also as its almost always a primary target, what good was a crappy tank on the scorp anyways lol.
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Freakdevil
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Posted - 2006.11.25 13:03:00 -
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ECM nerf was misguided. It should prevent non ECM ships from fitting it.
Example:
On sisi I fought a Hyperion in my NOSI ECM Domi. Guess who won? It was pretty sad to perma jam him but I did and he was a good sport about it.
On sisi my 5M electronic skill points still allow me to Jam a BS from 150K in my Rook but I need more jammers now. I shouldnt need more jammers to do the same thing.
I think the ECM nerf needs to either make it a high slot or restricted to ECM ships only.
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:30:00 -
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I think what people should be concerned about is backup arrays, i worked out a Hyperion of mine with a single module can raise its sensor strength to around 40. That can't be right can it? If it is then jammers are a thing of the past if people fit this single module.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kamikaaazi my ecm and missile ships are now useless. Tnx CCP. Scorp, rook and falcon are now better off with dampners. Can i get all my jamming skills swapped for ****per skills? Also plz switch my 10m sp in missiles to turrets. Sorry i didnt train for turrets instead, i acctually thought that missiles could be useful in something else than just shooting stupid npc-s. T2 torps are now total crap.
If you actually think this, I suggest a WTT for your brain. -- Drone users unite! Support drone whinage |
Exiled One
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:27:00 -
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Don't cry. Remember RMR and move on. Or quit. It's great being Amarr, aint it? |
Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.25 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyano I think what people should be concerned about is backup arrays, i worked out a Hyperion of mine with a single module can raise its sensor strength to around 40. That can't be right can it? If it is then jammers are a thing of the past if people fit this single module.
And the funny thing is they have always been available to use.. But noone ever did cause they didnt want to drop a mid or low slot for eccm and nerf thier combat setup.. lol.. Like being jammed all the time isnt a bigger nert to it.. KALI:Revelations.. Putting the Waaaa back in Piwat.. |
Tiuwaz
Minmatar Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.25 21:50:00 -
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i give you minni BS 5 for it
Quote: Banane
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.25 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Patch Notes The ECM strength bonus of the Scorpion and Falcon has been increased to 10% per level, while the Rook's has been increased to 20% per level. The ECM cap need bonus of the Blackbird has changed to a 10% ECM strength bonus.
Ummm what was that about them being useless now?
The fact that ECM mods are reduced in strength by half, and now require 3 lowslot mods to get back to the same strength in kali as they do right now?
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.25 21:55:00 -
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i'll go even further , i'll take your useless ecm and give you our awesome Targetpainter, you might actully have good use for it for your missile ships
Quote: Banane
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Patch Notes The ECM strength bonus of the Scorpion and Falcon has been increased to 10% per level, while the Rook's has been increased to 20% per level. The ECM cap need bonus of the Blackbird has changed to a 10% ECM strength bonus.
Ummm what was that about them being useless now?
The fact that ECM mods are reduced in strength by half, and now require 3 lowslot mods to get back to the same strength in kali as they do right now?
Well, strength of ECM has been cut by 50% accross the board.
Scorp and Falcon have had their bonus changed to 10% ECM strength per level (50% at level 5).
Griffin has had it's Kinetic bonus changed to 10% ECM strength.
Rook has had its bonus changed to 20% per level (100% at level 5).
Information Warfare Link- Electronic Superiority Implant now gives it's bonus to ECM.
There is now an ECM strength module for low slots.
Good nerf.......... -----------------------------------------------
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.25 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Patch Notes The ECM strength bonus of the Scorpion and Falcon has been increased to 10% per level, while the Rook's has been increased to 20% per level. The ECM cap need bonus of the Blackbird has changed to a 10% ECM strength bonus.
Ummm what was that about them being useless now?
The fact that ECM mods are reduced in strength by half, and now require 3 lowslot mods to get back to the same strength in kali as they do right now?
Well, strength of ECM has been cut by 50% accross the board.
Scorp and Falcon have had their bonus changed to 10% ECM strength per level (50% at level 5).
Griffin has had it's Kinetic bonus changed to 10% ECM strength.
Rook has had its bonus changed to 20% per level (100% at level 5).
Information Warfare Link- Electronic Superiority Implant now gives it's bonus to ECM.
There is now an ECM strength module for low slots.
Good nerf..........
ECMs on a rook/scorp are less effective unless you utterly stuff them with the upgrades. The warfare link always worked on ECMs.
I think in general the nerf was much needed. It was getting silly, the number of ships in PvP that had ECMs fitted.
Now I'm not entirely happy that the scorp now has to basically sacrifice all it's lowslots to be as good as it is currently - personally I've never seen whining that Rook/Scorp/BB/Falcon were overpowered. Then again, the fact that ECMs are no longer amazingly common might count as a subtle buff. Either that, or I can go fly a rohk or a drake or something.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.25 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Patch Notes The ECM strength bonus of the Scorpion and Falcon has been increased to 10% per level, while the Rook's has been increased to 20% per level. The ECM cap need bonus of the Blackbird has changed to a 10% ECM strength bonus.
Ummm what was that about them being useless now?
The fact that ECM mods are reduced in strength by half, and now require 3 lowslot mods to get back to the same strength in kali as they do right now?
Well, strength of ECM has been cut by 50% accross the board.
Scorp and Falcon have had their bonus changed to 10% ECM strength per level (50% at level 5).
Griffin has had it's Kinetic bonus changed to 10% ECM strength.
Rook has had its bonus changed to 20% per level (100% at level 5).
Information Warfare Link- Electronic Superiority Implant now gives it's bonus to ECM.
There is now an ECM strength module for low slots.
Good nerf..........
ECMs on a rook/scorp are less effective unless you utterly stuff them with the upgrades. The warfare link always worked on ECMs.
I think in general the nerf was much needed. It was getting silly, the number of ships in PvP that had ECMs fitted.
Now I'm not entirely happy that the scorp now has to basically sacrifice all it's lowslots to be as good as it is currently - personally I've never seen whining that Rook/Scorp/BB/Falcon were overpowered. Then again, the fact that ECMs are no longer amazingly common might count as a subtle buff. Either that, or I can go fly a rohk or a drake or something.
Scorp has had a nerf (approximatly 25% nerf) but Rook is untouched. ECM has had it's effectiveness lowered by 50%, and Rook has had it's bonus changed to 100%- the same thing. True you have to be at level 5 for it, though. -----------------------------------------------
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Menf
Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.26 03:12:00 -
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With just 2 ECCM-modules in med-slot every BS are immun to ECM
with 2 ECCM a Raven has 79sensor strength a Scorp need all of the med-slots with racial tech2 jammers + low slots and riggs fitted to have a good chance to jam the Raven
sounds balanced right? :(
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Viictoria
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Posted - 2006.11.26 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 Scorp has had a nerf (approximatly 25% nerf) but Rook is untouched. ECM has had it's effectiveness lowered by 50%, and Rook has had it's bonus changed to 100%- the same thing. True you have to be at level 5 for it, though.
Correct me if my math is wrong but, assuming lvl 5 Recon + Rook
pre-kali 10 jam strength + 50% Rook bonus = 15 jam strength
post-kali 5 jam strength + 100% Rook bonus = 10 jam strength
Sooooo that pretty much makes the Rook with maxed skills, 50% less effective at it's base? It is indeed a heavy nerf and the modules may or may not make up for it but they are a sacrifice in themselves, as are the rigs.
That being said, I do not think ECM is fair myself and don't care if they nerf it, and would prefer to see it completely reworked (ie: not a win button when it lands). But for the sake of argument the above facts must be considered.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.26 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 So many people just don't seem to get it.
The ONLY nerf to ECM is that non-ECM ships now can't use them well. Scorp, Rook, Falcon etc. are the only ships that can still use ECM just as well as pre-patch! Thats a pretty nifty boost!
You lie, mister. ECM is NERFED. --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2006.11.26 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zixxa on 26/11/2006 09:05:07
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Patch Notes The ECM strength bonus of the Scorpion and Falcon has been increased to 10% per level, while the Rook's has been increased to 20% per level. The ECM cap need bonus of the Blackbird has changed to a 10% ECM strength bonus.
Ummm what was that about them being useless now?
The fact that ECM mods are reduced in strength by half, and now require 3 lowslot mods to get back to the same strength in kali as they do right now?
Well, strength of ECM has been cut by 50% accross the board.
Scorp and Falcon have had their bonus changed to 10% ECM strength per level (50% at level 5).
Griffin has had it's Kinetic bonus changed to 10% ECM strength.
Rook has had its bonus changed to 20% per level (100% at level 5).
Information Warfare Link- Electronic Superiority Implant now gives it's bonus to ECM.
There is now an ECM strength module for low slots.
Good nerf..........
ECMs on a rook/scorp are less effective unless you utterly stuff them with the upgrades. The warfare link always worked on ECMs.
I think in general the nerf was much needed. It was getting silly, the number of ships in PvP that had ECMs fitted.
Now I'm not entirely happy that the scorp now has to basically sacrifice all it's lowslots to be as good as it is currently - personally I've never seen whining that Rook/Scorp/BB/Falcon were overpowered. Then again, the fact that ECMs are no longer amazingly common might count as a subtle buff. Either that, or I can go fly a rohk or a drake or something.
Scorp has had a nerf (approximatly 25% nerf) but Rook is untouched. ECM has had it's effectiveness lowered by 50%, and Rook has had it's bonus changed to 100%- the same thing. True you have to be at level 5 for it, though.
You do not know math, baby. Go to school!
--------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
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xh'duality
Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: xh''duality on 26/11/2006 11:13:29 I agree about the missiles have become totaly useless. But I love the idea about normal ship's not being able to jam that well anymore. Less I win button's will be used by noob's from now on and skilling for the ships who can use em is a realy good idea to encrease the ship's to be prim
--------------------------------------------------- It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN [The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON"] |
Kharakan
Amarr New World Disorders
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Posted - 2006.11.26 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Patch86 So many people just don't seem to get it.
The ONLY nerf to ECM is that non-ECM ships now can't use them well. Scorp, Rook, Falcon etc. are the only ships that can still use ECM just as well as pre-patch! Thats a pretty nifty boost!
You lie, mister. ECM is NERFED.
Oh god, you still here? Ban expired or something? I thought you said you were going to quit- please don't let us stop you ¼_¼
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.26 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
You do not know math, baby. Go to school!
*sigh*, you're still here? I thought you quit or something?
Ok then, enlighten me- where is my math wrong?
50% nerf to ECM power = ECM power is halved. 50% Scorp boost brings Scorp up- the Scorp is now 75% as effective as it was before, so thats a 25% nerf to Scorp. Rook recieves a 100% ECM boost- that means it uses ECM at 100% of its current efficincy, making it unchanged.
Couple that with ECM rigs, new modules, etc.- The Scorp is a little nerfed, requireing more to do the same as it could before, while Rook is in a much stronger position- its exaclt as good as it was before, but with new toys to play with.
Thats goooooooood maths, my dear Trolly McTroll. -----------------------------------------------
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Darth Bob
Dark Excession
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Zixxa
You do not know math, baby. Go to school!
*sigh*, you're still here? I thought you quit or something?
Ok then, enlighten me- where is my math wrong?
50% nerf to ECM power = ECM power is halved. 50% Scorp boost brings Scorp up- the Scorp is now 75% as effective as it was before, so thats a 25% nerf to Scorp. Rook recieves a 100% ECM boost- that means it uses ECM at 100% of its current efficincy, making it unchanged.
Couple that with ECM rigs, new modules, etc.- The Scorp is a little nerfed, requireing more to do the same as it could before, while Rook is in a much stronger position- its exaclt as good as it was before, but with new toys to play with.
Thats goooooooood maths, my dear Trolly McTroll.
you're making a fool of yourself....
Rook get's a 100% bonus compared to other ships, not compared to it's former self, it already had a 50% bonus.
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Andargor theWise
Disbelievers of Fate The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.26 15:59:00 -
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To heck with all the math. I was engaged against another Hyperion and had ECCM fitted. A Falcon decided to join the fray, and jammed me for the rest of the encounter (i.e. my death).
So, sorry if I don't give much credibility to the theoreticians who cry "nerf!"...
Get out there and try it out instead of drawing on a blackboard. - Got grief?
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Menf
Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Andargor theWise To heck with all the math. I was engaged against another Hyperion and had ECCM fitted. A Falcon decided to join the fray, and jammed me for the rest of the encounter (i.e. my death).
So, sorry if I don't give much credibility to the theoreticians who cry "nerf!"...
Get out there and try it out instead of drawing on a blackboard.
so on which point you have a problem? an ship with ECMs jammed you because everything you have done against jaming was to fit 1 med-slot-module and im pretty sure, that he used alot of his ECMs on you or just was a lucky guy
so you fought against 2 ships and if you had also a falcon with you it would be almost an even fight, because the falcons have to choose to jam the other falcon or the BS
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Bob
Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: Zixxa
You do not know math, baby. Go to school!
*sigh*, you're still here? I thought you quit or something?
Ok then, enlighten me- where is my math wrong?
50% nerf to ECM power = ECM power is halved. 50% Scorp boost brings Scorp up- the Scorp is now 75% as effective as it was before, so thats a 25% nerf to Scorp. Rook recieves a 100% ECM boost- that means it uses ECM at 100% of its current efficincy, making it unchanged.
Couple that with ECM rigs, new modules, etc.- The Scorp is a little nerfed, requireing more to do the same as it could before, while Rook is in a much stronger position- its exaclt as good as it was before, but with new toys to play with.
Thats goooooooood maths, my dear Trolly McTroll.
you're making a fool of yourself....
Rook get's a 100% bonus compared to other ships, not compared to it's former self, it already had a 50% bonus.
I know that. I;m saying that Rook has ECM working at full pre-nerf effectiveness. Not that it's better than pre-nerf. Not that it hasn't lost a pre-nerf bonus (which I am assuming it has). Just that it can usee ECM like every ship can, right now, on TQ. And thats currently very good (whining abut EWAR Domis, anyone?). Combine that with new modules and rigs and you're in for a winner.
However, if you all really want to believe your Rooks are now useless and nerfed beyond all effectiveness, feel free to Escrow them to me- I'm sure someone in our corp would like to use them..........And hey! Less people using them to jam me! -----------------------------------------------
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