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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.27 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Shar Tegral on 27/11/2006 12:40:27
Originally by: Tachy Tax changes currently send in a corpmail the CEO can delete without a trace. Welcome to corpgriefing.
Easily solved by having the evemail go out to each corp members personal evemail. After all they do it with the POS spam.
Protagonist must have an Antagonist. Otherwise he's just a guy playing with himself.
Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D |
Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.27 12:58:00 -
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C'mon CCP, as Josh says there is still time, LET'S GET THIS IMPLEMENTED PLEASE!
Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:05:00 -
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Like I have said before whats wrong with the Give Corp Money 'Button' ? ( The current system is not broken. )
Nothing! Try Using it and you can give 100% of all your money instantly. I also believe you can deposit all your item into your corps hanger to if you like.
Now why do you need to tax people 100% with out them voting on it again??
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:13:00 -
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It's not a matter of "needing" 100% tax (or any other amount) as an option- as you rightly say, theres nothing stopping you doing it with current devices.
Its a matter of "want". Many many corps would want this option (an I mean all the members want it, not just the CEO). You should never be in a corp run by someone you don't trust, so its not a problem for most. And theres no reason that a non share-holder (I'm presuming tax, like everything Corpy, is a shareholder vote descision) should have a say over how your corp operates.
Ultimately, every individual has the option not to pay tax- they can join a different corp.
So you're against tax, as an ideology, in EVE as in RL. Thats good. That means you, in all your EVE dealings, can operate in Corps that also share your ideology. Other ideologies certainly exist, in EVE as in RL (as you well know), so why should they be forced, without option, to behave the way you wish?
Every ideology should have opttions to thrive in EVE, and it is the players descision to vet their choices and join the organisation thats right for them. If you join a corp with a communist-like all-tax ideology, surely its not your decision to force them to act differently? You should join the corp that does things the way you want, and be done with it.
Otherwise tax is going to be the least of your problems. -----------------------------------------------
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:17:00 -
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Again if you want to Role Play that feel free and use the Give Corp Button. Then Pretend your in a Corp that has 100% tax.
I dont think this needs to be a system wide choice for all people to use and...........abuse if they choose to do so.
There are already enough scamming options available why add more? My Character Stats
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 27/11/2006 13:22:06
Originally by: Protunia Like I have said before whats wrong with the Give Corp Money 'Button' ? ( The current system is not broken. )
Nothing! Try Using it and you can give 100% of all your money instantly. I also believe you can deposit all your item into your corps hanger to if you like.
Now why do you need to tax people 100% with out them voting on it again??
We have no use for all their money, we want to be able to set corp tax to 100% on corp NPCing days, much less work then having to keep track of how much money you make and then donating it to the corp wallet.
Surely even you should be able to grasp such a simple concept...
Originally by: Protunia There are already enough scamming options available why add more?
Because thereÆs no point in trying stop scams anyway? Scams only work on people who are truly the dumbest or most gullible people on the planet. Since not even evolution can stop stupidity from spreading thereÆs really no point in trying to safe these people from themselves. -----
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Protunia Now why do you need to tax people 100% with out them voting on it again??
Becuase there is no in game corporate member vote mechanism. None at all. That is besides voting with their feet. That is in game and is freely available.
Protagonist must have an Antagonist. Otherwise he's just a guy playing with himself.
Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D |
Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 27/11/2006 13:18:52
Originally by: Protunia Like I have said before whats wrong with the Give Corp Money 'Button' ? ( The current system is not broken. )
Nothing! Try Using it and you can give 100% of all your money instantly. I also believe you can deposit all your item into your corps hanger to if you like.
Now why do you need to tax people 100% with out them voting on it again??
We have no use for all their money, we want to be able to set corp tax to 100% on corp NPCing days, much less work then having to keep track of how much money you make and then donating it to the corp wallet.
Surely even you should be able to grasp such a simple concept...
If its Donation Day why do you need to keep track anyways?? You say you guys have honest open non scamming corps right?? Then Members would freely give you ISK when needed in any amounts. I am sure they could write down the ISK started with then get to a total and give you the difference or possibly more if they choose to do so with the GIVE CORP Money buton. My Character Stats
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 27/11/2006 13:24:46
Originally by: Protunia If its Donation Day why do you need to keep track anyways?? You say you guys have honest open non scamming corps right?? Then Members would freely give you ISK when needed in any amounts. I am sure they could write down the ISK started with then get to a total and give you the difference or possibly more if they choose to do so with the GIVE CORP Money buton.
Less work > More work.
Originally by: Protunia So if you gave stock to all the corp members would they be able to vote then?
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Protunia Now why do you need to tax people 100% with out them voting on it again??
Becuase there is no in game corporate member vote mechanism. None at all. That is besides voting with their feet. That is in game and is freely available.
So if you gave stock to all the corp members would they be able to vote then? My Character Stats
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 27/11/2006 13:24:46
Originally by: Protunia If its Donation Day why do you need to keep track anyways?? You say you guys have honest open non scamming corps right?? Then Members would freely give you ISK when needed in any amounts. I am sure they could write down the ISK started with then get to a total and give you the difference or possibly more if they choose to do so with the GIVE CORP Money buton.
Less work > More work.
Originally by: Protunia So if you gave stock to all the corp members would they be able to vote then?
one button push is hardly work at all. I still dont see a legit reason for adding this type of a change that would open up a can of worms in regard to scamming new players. My Character Stats
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Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:28:00 -
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Perhaps you need to implement a stock earning program that gives members of your corps stock for giving you so much money???
If something like this was in place then maybe I could see some form of taxation like what your describing. My Character Stats
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 27/11/2006 13:28:39
Originally by: Protunia
Originally by: Protunia If its Donation Day why do you need to keep track anyways?? You say you guys have honest open non scamming corps right?? Then Members would freely give you ISK when needed in any amounts. I am sure they could write down the ISK started with then get to a total and give you the difference or possibly more if they choose to do so with the GIVE CORP Money buton.
Less work > More work.
Originally by: Protunia So if you gave stock to all the corp members would they be able to vote then?
one button push is hardly work at all. I still dont see a legit reason for adding this type of a change that would open up a can of worms in regard to scamming new players.
When joining: "Warning the corporation you are about to join has its tax level set to 50%, are you sure you wish to join this corporation" Yes = Join corp No = Dont join corp.
When logging in after tax change: "Warning the corp tax has been raised/lowered from xxx% to xxx%, do you accept this change in taxing?" Yes = Nothing happens No = You leave the corp
Gee could it truly be that simple?
Though there will be idiots who get scammed even with those warning. -----
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:29:00 -
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Taxing members only to hand it back to them would be rather silly... -----
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Protunia So if you gave stock to all the corp members would they be able to vote then?
This is my last response to you, ever.
A person of only 3 months in game who leads a 2 man corp clearly does not have the experience to understand the security mess that comes from stock/share issuance. And, since I tire of your one line nitpicking, trolling, and continually deceptive use of specious arguments I bid you adieu.
I wish you well in playing the game according to your "out of game" beliefs. We will do our best to not have to play according to your self righteous bigotry if we can.
Rabble On, Proud [Insert Deficienct Adjective Here], Rabble On
Protagonist must have an Antagonist. Otherwise he's just a guy playing with himself.
Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D |
Protunia
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:46:00 -
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Oh come on :) nothing wrong with someone taking the other side and giving a different point of view ;)
I see nothing wrong with sharing stock to those who give their time to a corp. Are you telling me one stock = 1000 stock in this game??
I would hope not. I would also think that voting % would be based on the amount of stock held.
SO giving 10% of all ISK donated to a corp as stock to a member could be an option just as 100% taxation could. Donations or stock gained could be limited per day.
AM I hearing you want to tax members 100% any time you wish but dont want to give to members for their hard work?? My Character Stats
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:49:00 -
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You can give stock to your members- if thats the model you want to base your corp around, you already can. -----------------------------------------------
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Protunia I see nothing wrong with sharing stock to those who give their time to a corp. Are you telling me one stock = 1000 stock in this game??
Its a massive security risk, we keep all our shares among directors and hell will freeze over before a single one of them goes elsewhere
Originally by: Protunia AM I hearing you want to tax members 100% any time you wish but dont want to give to members for their hard work??
Partially correct, we dont ive members money. We do of course supply them equipment, ships, ammo, insurance, capital ships, skills and pictures of me. Hence the need for 100% taxes whenever we feel like it. -----
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Shadowsword
Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.27 13:56:00 -
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IMHO the corp tax should be ajustable to at least 30-40%. The current 10% ceiling is far too low... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types. |
Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.27 17:22:00 -
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Dear Tuxford,
I know you are a communist at heart. VIVE LA REVOLUCION!
Yours,
Comrade Dianabolic.
Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.27 20:55:00 -
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Ok, this seems to be a sensitive subject to some, however I can see both sides of the arguement.
I do have a suggestion though, why not make the artificial ceiling at something like 30-40% and then allow the members to add to that by setting their own tax rate, with that <corp tax amount> as a minimum, thus anyone wanting to "donate" more to the corp can if they so wish.
That way the general corp members still have the last say but the ceo's can also decide if it is enough otherwise it could be seen in the real world as "exploitative" of their "workers", working for free etc.
Likey?
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.27 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Dear Tuxford,
I know you are a communist at heart. VIVE LA REVOLUCION!
Yours,
Comrade Dianabolic.
Listen Tux, if a Bobbit and an ASCN member agree on something these days, it has to be very important.
So come on
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Kaplanelle
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Posted - 2006.11.27 21:15:00 -
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The phrase "customer service nightmare" comes to mind. Especially when you can't always leave a corp immediately if you have roles. If they changed this game mechanic, I'd be much more agreeable to this, but still don't think most people want to roleplay a space-age serf.
The 10% cap is pretty low, but for most corps it's all they need. And the rationale of "keeping people honest" should not be considered at all for doing this. In a game where general fraud Escrow scamming is permitted, think it's the corp's headache to collect that.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.27 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kaplanelle The phrase "customer service nightmare" comes to mind. Especially when you can't always leave a corp immediately if you have roles. If they changed this game mechanic, I'd be much more agreeable to this, but still don't think most people want to roleplay a space-age serf.
The 10% cap is pretty low, but for most corps it's all they need. And the rationale of "keeping people honest" should not be considered at all for doing this. In a game where general fraud Escrow scamming is permitted, think it's the corp's headache to collect that.
If CCP wanted to invest in some coding time (and, again, I must reiterate, if you're in a corp that summarily does this and you don't trust them then that says more about you than it does the ceo) they could have a window popup:
"DO you accept the new tax?" 1 - Yes (tax applied) 2 - No (tax NOT applied, roles removed, auto-removal from corp after 24h).
I'd really appreciate it if people would STOP saying "omg I don't want to get scammed". You won't GET scammed if you don't LET yourself BE scammed.
Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.27 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic I'd really appreciate it if people would STOP saying "omg I don't want to get scammed". You won't GET scammed if you don't LET yourself BE scammed.
QFT
So many chicken littles, so litte time to wring all their necks.
Protagonist must have an Antagonist. Otherwise he's just a guy playing with himself.
Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D |
Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:52:00 -
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Goodnight, dear thread, an idea so simple and demanded for so long, shall we see you in teh fair light of Revelations?
Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
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Akane Miyamoto
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.27 22:56:00 -
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/signed - Removing the tax cap or rising it significantly would be a great improvement for many corporations. This would of course bring some leeches but you don't need to stay in their corps, do you?
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.27 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic Goodnight, dear thread, an idea so simple and demanded for so long, shall we see you in teh fair light of Revelations?
Of course not, theres ships to nerf and lag to add. -----
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Zeros Alpha
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.28 01:53:00 -
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I am totally in favor of CEOs having the ability to set the corp tax to whatever they want 0-100%.
However, i must say that what about players whos accounts are inactive or are not gonna log in for a month due to skill training... those players still make money via market sell orders... and that is taxable, feel free to say a solution if you can think of one?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.29 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zeros Alpha and that is taxable, feel free to say a solution if you can think of one?
Every society has a solution regarding non-present voters.
If you can't be bothered to be here, we won't be bothered to cry over you not being counted. (Sheesh, does everything have to be carebearish?)
Protagonist must have an Antagonist. Otherwise he's just a guy playing with himself.
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