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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2015.06.24 20:51:45 -
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Hi guys!
Got back froma short work-stint, military and all. Couldn't login except to station-spin and check the markets and map.
Is Burn Amarr officially over? I checked the map statistics, 24 ships destroyed in the last hour. These normal figures or higher than average? |
Amanda Chan
Error 404 Pod Not Found
23
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Posted - 2015.06.24 21:00:07 -
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http://evenews24.com/2015/06/24/burn-amarr-final-conclusions/ |
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
180
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Posted - 2015.06.24 21:06:13 -
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A couple of Burn Jita's, a Burn Amarr.. where to now? Every day is a low level Burn Hek, and Rens is too far out to be much fun. Burn Dodixie? Or, being French/Gallente - Dodixie Flambe? |
Hengle Teron
Explosions Delivered with Love
54264
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Posted - 2015.06.24 21:19:28 -
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Joia Crenca wrote:A couple of Burn Jita's, a Burn Amarr.. where to now? Every day is a low level Burn Hek, and Rens is too far out to be much fun. Burn Dodixie? Or, being French/Gallente - Dodixie Flambe? What ?
There's hardly ever a freighter blown up in Hek. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
881
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Posted - 2015.06.25 07:15:07 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:There's hardly ever a freighter in Hek. FTFY.
Seriously though, I don't see anything abnormal in Amarr right now. Granted, someone is always being popped in hubs, so... |
Jaclyn Hayes
Perkone Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2015.06.25 09:43:25 -
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Joia Crenca wrote:A couple of Burn Jita's, a Burn Amarr.. where to now? Every day is a low level Burn Hek, and Rens is too far out to be much fun. Burn Dodixie? Or, being French/Gallente - Dodixie Flambe?
Dodixie flambe????
Hahahahah...goddamn french. |
Dirk Magnum
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2015.06.26 03:42:56 -
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The official event is over, yes. You can read the EN24 article about it if you want a perspective about a completely different event as described by the resident of another planet, or you can consider the following:
1. Amarr has half the traffic of Jita.
2. Burn Amarr included only Goons and allies, while Burn Jita include Goons, CODE, and allies.
3. Goons and allies alone killed at least 80% as much ISK as Burn Jita in a system with 50% of the traffic. Add CODE's amazing efforts to clean up the chaff that tried to outflank Burn Amarr, and the damage totals soared above the previous record by hundreds of billions.
4. How clueless did someone have to be to think that "Burn Amarr" meant we'd only be ganking in Amarr itself? Seriously, the opsec leaked like a sieve and it never said that Amarr was the only target.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
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Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
172
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Posted - 2015.06.26 04:49:54 -
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Okay, I've got a question.
Why aren't events like these more common?
I get the impression that the actors involved were having fun.
I will speculate that the destruction of goods in this sort of scale will definitely help the economy through every stage of the cycle (more to build, more to research for Tech II, if any deadspace got destroyed it made the surviving modules more rare and valuable, etc etc).
This seems like a very good thing that happened, yet it seems like the event itself is rare.
So again, why doesn't this happen more often? Obviously the downsides would outpace the benefits if done too often (cue: too much of a good thing cliche), but unless I'm missing the news this sort of thing only happens like once or twice a year. Why not every couple of months? Maybe even quarterly?
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
273
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Posted - 2015.06.26 05:09:37 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Okay, I've got a question.
Why aren't events like these more common?
I will speculate that the destruction of goods in this sort of scale will definitely help the economy through every stage of the cycle (more to build, more to research for Tech II, if any deadspace got destroyed it made the surviving modules more rare and valuable, etc etc).
This seems like a very good thing that happened, yet it seems like the event itself is rare.
So again, why doesn't this happen more often? Obviously the downsides would outpace the benefits if done too often (cue: too much of a good thing cliche), but unless I'm missing the news this sort of thing only happens like once or twice a year. Why not every couple of months? Maybe even quarterly?
More common? Think for a minutes what goonies doing apart from "Burn" events. Exactly! They are back to their indie alts to mine and produce enough ships and mods to drop them on market to keep logistic chains flowing. |
Tha Rock
Black Scorpions Inc Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2015.06.26 08:10:41 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Khan Wrenth wrote:Okay, I've got a question.
Why aren't events like these more common?
I will speculate that the destruction of goods in this sort of scale will definitely help the economy through every stage of the cycle (more to build, more to research for Tech II, if any deadspace got destroyed it made the surviving modules more rare and valuable, etc etc).
This seems like a very good thing that happened, yet it seems like the event itself is rare.
So again, why doesn't this happen more often? Obviously the downsides would outpace the benefits if done too often (cue: too much of a good thing cliche), but unless I'm missing the news this sort of thing only happens like once or twice a year. Why not every couple of months? Maybe even quarterly? More common? Think for a minutes what goonies doing apart from "Burn" events. Exactly! They are back to their indie alts to mine and produce enough ships and mods to drop them on market to keep logistic chains flowing. I never know Goons mined...... except tears |
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
274
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Posted - 2015.06.26 08:15:58 -
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Tha Rock wrote:I never know Goons mined...... except tears
goons like kids peacefull and very kind untill you came and ruin their sand castlle |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
654
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Posted - 2015.06.26 08:25:05 -
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Jaclyn Hayes wrote:Joia Crenca wrote:A couple of Burn Jita's, a Burn Amarr.. where to now? Every day is a low level Burn Hek, and Rens is too far out to be much fun. Burn Dodixie? Or, being French/Gallente - Dodixie Flambe? Dodixie flambe???? Hahahahah...goddamn french.
Oui LMAO.
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
231
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Posted - 2015.06.26 09:17:03 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Okay, I've got a question.
Why aren't events like these more common?
I get the impression that the actors involved were having fun.
I will speculate that the destruction of goods in this sort of scale will definitely help the economy through every stage of the cycle (more to build, more to research for Tech II, if any deadspace got destroyed it made the surviving modules more rare and valuable, etc etc).
This seems like a very good thing that happened, yet it seems like the event itself is rare.
So again, why doesn't this happen more often? Obviously the downsides would outpace the benefits if done too often (cue: too much of a good thing cliche), but unless I'm missing the news this sort of thing only happens like once or twice a year. Why not every couple of months? Maybe even quarterly?
It usually goes unannounced in the mass media, but CODE. aliance and the Ministry of Love of the GSF burn Uedama/Niarja a little avery day. The only difference is the magnitude of the events. There is a relatively small group of individuals who are real fans of what they do and keep the ganking going non-stop, but still can't do something as big as Burn Jita too often, lest they burn out themselves. Freighter ganking looks so easy from outside due to the tremendous organizational work put into it behind the scenes.
Everyone can make a difference in this procass and make people gank freighters more often. Do you have a character collecting dust on one of your accounts? Turn it into a suicide ganker. Do you have good production capabilities? Manufacture those sweet Neutron Blaster Cannons and help keep inflation at bay. Got any spare ISK? Donate it to James 315. We gratefully accept any help, but human resources are our most valued capital and the most critical factor. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
2827
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Posted - 2015.06.26 11:24:03 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Why aren't events like these more common?
Because most of the people who ask that question don't go forth and make events like these happen.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2253
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Posted - 2015.06.26 11:44:23 -
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It finished Monday...
Whoever collected dead bodies, contract them to me please?!??!
Contract me your dead!
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Lulu Lunette
Custodes Olim United Systems of Aridia
43
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Posted - 2015.06.26 11:52:02 -
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Was in Amarr yesterday, seemed fine.
@lunettelulu7
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Omar Little Fan Club
62
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Posted - 2015.06.26 12:09:44 -
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I would suggest all capital haulers to join Gank-intel chat channel in game for latest (usually) updates on activity of known freighter ganking groups around large tradhubs.
Also - for those interested in tactics on avoiding getting ganked, getting some help while bumped (sometimes) or just chatting away random stuff (y'day was a day big on summer and underwear ) join Anti-ganking chat channel. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
189
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Posted - 2015.06.26 13:42:01 -
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It was fun, only participated a little bit and got half a dozen freighter kills.
Most freighters were AFK auto-piloting during burn amarr... Blows my mind. |
Nevil Oscillator
209
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Posted - 2015.06.26 16:38:41 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Tha Rock wrote:I never know Goons mined...... except tears goons like kids peacefull and very kind untill you come and start ruinning their sand castlles...
They also come from the planet Goon. |
Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
176
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Posted - 2015.06.27 04:50:32 -
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:Do you have a character collecting dust on one of your accounts? Turn it into a suicide ganker.
Seriously tempted. I've been considering making a second EvE account and having three ganking alts on it. Or just training up the appropriate skills on this guy, who has seen less and less use lately.
Not ready to dive into quite yet, but it's been something on my mind for the past year.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Chocolate Mooses
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.06.27 06:34:40 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Okay, I've got a question.
Why aren't events like these more common?
I get the impression that the actors involved were having fun.
I will speculate that the destruction of goods in this sort of scale will definitely help the economy through every stage of the cycle (more to build, more to research for Tech II, if any deadspace got destroyed it made the surviving modules more rare and valuable, etc etc).
This seems like a very good thing that happened, yet it seems like the event itself is rare.
So again, why doesn't this happen more often? Obviously the downsides would outpace the benefits if done too often (cue: too much of a good thing cliche), but unless I'm missing the news this sort of thing only happens like once or twice a year. Why not every couple of months? Maybe even quarterly?
We did have a ton of fun, and I know everyone in my fleet did too.
As for why we don't do this kind of thing more often, as one of the primary FC's for Burn Amarr, I think I can give you a good answer. Logistics. Getting the massive amounts of ships, modules, and players together in the right place, scheduling the event at a good time, and getting enough buzz going to make sure we would be able to do it 24/7 for days is no small task, and takes a LOT of work.
If you want to see this kind of thing more often, you would be shocked what a single player can do. Drop a pilot into Karmafleet, get some ganking experience, join Miniluv, and start running events like this. We'd love to see more of it too! |
Chocolate Mooses
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2015.06.27 06:38:16 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote:I would suggest all capital haulers to join Gank-intel chat channel in game for latest (usually) updates on activity of known freighter ganking groups around large tradhubs.
The problem with your "anti-ganking" groups is only common sense is needed to be mostly safe. Be at the keyboard. Watch local. Mark likely targets/corp/alliances as red. Don't blind jump billions of ISK worth of hardware or cargo without advance scouting.
Not to mention how awful your community behaves. One needs to only take a look at the comments section over at http://minerbumping.com to see what your group tolerates. |
Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2015.06.27 07:32:55 -
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GRRRR GOON COMMUNISTS |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
393
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Posted - 2015.06.27 09:01:08 -
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During burn Amarr quite a few of the bumped freighters could have just logged off. I was there to whore on condork kills, and they where not aggressed for 30-45 mins quite frequently.
Yes ignorance kills far more freighters than CODE ever could.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2015.06.27 10:59:51 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:The official event is over, yes. You can read the EN24 article about it if you want a perspective about what is apparently a completely different event as described by the resident of another planet, or you can consider the following:
1. Amarr has half the traffic of Jita.
2. Burn Amarr included only Goons and allies, while Burn Jita include Goons, CODE, and allies.
3. Goons and allies alone killed at least 80% as much ISK as Burn Jita in a system with 50% of the traffic. Add CODE's amazing efforts to clean up the chaff that tried to outflank Burn Amarr, and the damage totals soared above the previous record by hundreds of billions.
4. How clueless did someone have to be to think that "Burn Amarr" meant we'd only be ganking in Amarr itself? Seriously, the opsec leaked like a sieve and it never said that Amarr was the only target.
^this = the reason why I have more money than everyone near Amarr right now |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
50668
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Posted - 2015.06.28 02:13:16 -
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Cyborg Girl86 wrote:Hi guys!
Got back froma short work-stint, military and all. Couldn't login except to station-spin and check the markets and map.
Is Burn Amarr officially over? I checked the map statistics, 24 ships destroyed in the last hour. These normal figures or higher than average? A "Burn Amarr" event ?
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
281
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Posted - 2015.06.28 03:47:31 -
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A "Burn Amarr" event ?
Yeah amarr was about to burn to hell, we got 911 and Domain Fire Department and Amarr Police all over the place. A couple of suicide firestarter goonies invaded into the Empire.
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu
Omar Little Fan Club
63
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Posted - 2015.06.28 10:10:46 -
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Chocolate Mooses wrote:The problem with your "anti-ganking" groups is only common sense is needed to be mostly safe. Be at the keyboard. Watch local. Mark likely targets/corp/alliances as red. Don't blind jump billions of ISK worth of hardware or cargo without advance scouting. Heh, billions of isk is rarely the problem since you've had not problem killing just about anything you could. You can be at the keyboard, but once that first bump lands, it is over for the freighter pilot if the bumper is semi-skilled at manual piloting. Best of all - everything you're saying only applies to 'others' since you've managed to rally vast majority of those interested in big-gang ganking so your freighters happily can afk (and they do). Preaching something while practicing the opposite... there's a word for that .
Quote:Not to mention how awful your community behaves. One needs to only take a look at the comments section over at http://minerbumping.com to see what your group tolerates. You mean how lame it is to gloat over killing a mining barge of a guy who ran afk for a minute to help his sick wife (latest one I'd bump into) - ye I'd agree, there's some awful stories there, only they are not made by AG guys. Oh and - I'm sure your guys know the value of RL since (as I said already, they regularly afk thier ships). Heh.
Anyway, sorry to burst your bubble but AG is not a unanimous-minded community (unlike yours). AG is made of a wide variety of folks with fairly different worldviews. Unlike your group, focus of which is (and let's be realistic about this) 'tear extraction' - in AG you'll see anything from folks who are strongly against any ganking to those just wanting some tweaks in mechanics which would make them a bit more logical (in their eyes).
You also quite likely know all of this since it's an open channel anyone can join (and we've seen code alts pop out quite a few times with their trolling). So once again - hisec capital pilots (Freighters / Orcas / Bowheads) join Anti-ganking (chat) and Gank-intel (intel) for updates on ganking activity. The more the merrier (and more informative). |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1815
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Posted - 2015.06.28 10:33:59 -
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Rhamnousia Nosferatu, if you think that all groups that engage in ganking hold the same views, you would be sorely dissapointed. You highlighted the primary issue with AG in your post.
Quote:Unlike your group, focus of which is (and let's be realistic about this) 'tear extraction' - in AG you'll see anything from folks who are strongly against any ganking to those just wanting some tweaks in mechanics which would make them a bit more logical (in their eyes)
It doesn't strike you as strange that the gamut of people involved run from those that want to see mechanics changes to the game to those that think people playing the game are morally reprehensible? I have enjoyed the ops I have run fighting against code and their allies as much if not more than I have enjoyed ganking. The mechanics are already in place to effectively oppose gank groups, and while I would like to see an increase in interaction between the two sides, AG does not function as a entity that fights what what they believe in. The vast majority sit in a chat channel and whine about how they can't do anything, while every day a very small group go out and do good work fighting against high sec criminals. Those few have little to no voice in the average conversations in the channel, turning it into a cesspit of complaints and trolls.
On top of this, the people that do show up for fleets have no comprehension of how to organize. They expect to be able to respond effectively with no voice communication, no intel, and most of the time completely fail to be on grid with the target being ganked. One time in particular that I remember I joined an AG fleet only to find that only three of the twelve people in the fleet were able to speak on comms, and none were taking charge. I was on my well known AG alt, and should never have been let into the fleet in the first place, but immediately found myself not just getting in, but also FC-ing the fleet.
AG as an experiment is a complete and utter failure. Having a decent organization taking up the role of a player police force would be good for eve, but attempts to organize AG into that force have failed miserably. The only decent thing coming out of AG is the gank-intel channel, and even that is under utilized.
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
397
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Posted - 2015.06.28 11:30:21 -
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Quote:You can be at the keyboard, but once that first bump lands, it is over for the freighter pilot if the bumper is semi-skilled at manual piloting. False. The vast majority of times you just log out. 30 seconds later your ship disappears from space. Go play some other game or play with the other account/character for a bit. Come back in an hour and fly around at your own leisure.
I watched the last Burn Jita and Amarr, and even here where they try to set the PvP timers they often fail to do so. During normal days they very rarely set a PVP timer and drag concord on grid at all. let alone at the first bump.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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