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Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2015.06.27 11:03:43 -
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Procurer or Skiff. With an Orca fitted for pure shield & hull tank boosting if available.
But its all a matter of personal choice. I prefer tank-ability. |
Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2015.06.27 11:10:19 -
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Cyborg Girl86 wrote:Procurer or Skiff. With an Orca fitted for pure shield & hull tank boosting if available.
But its all a matter of personal choice. I prefer tank-ability. Choice not important, but reason behind choice. If you can not guarantee being atk, you sacrifice. |
Cyborg Girl86
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2015.06.27 11:12:48 -
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I never play afk.
Playing afk is the equivalent of letting a trained helper monkey play EVE for you while you go jerk off or something.
I don't do it because its dumb |
Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2015.06.27 13:47:57 -
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Cyborg Girl86 wrote:I never play afk. Playing afk is the equivalent of letting a trained helper monkey play EVE for you while you go jerk off or something. I don't do it because its dumb Then you don't need mine in skiff or proc because its dumb. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
127
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Posted - 2015.06.28 01:02:04 -
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If you have 2B ISK in your wallet that you plan to dedicate to replacing one every time DOUCHE. ganks you in highsec, then yes, it's worth it.. or if you have the fluffy carebear borders of any null entity then yes, it may be well worth it except for when wh spawn in your area.
If I could get everyone to just treat the mack and hulk as if they didn't even exist in the game to counter the ganking lolz.... things would change.. but there are too many "it'll never happen to me.. " morons in the game so the cycle continues... kind of like when a corporate exec said, "HEY, lets take the same shtty game and just change like 2 things and add 3 levels the same time every year and call it 2,3,4, etc... and charge full price" and people kept buying it in ever growing numbers causing the corporation to get even more and more jewier each year with map packs, skins and weapons.... well you bring it on yourselves..
You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE. |
Svenja Timofeyeva
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2015.06.28 08:07:01 -
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You mental case. It's a game, not real. You die because you deserved it. Get lost. |
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
600
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Posted - 2015.06.28 08:44:59 -
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Moved to Ships & Modules.
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1104
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Posted - 2015.06.28 10:46:13 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:If I could get everyone to just treat the mack and hulk as if they didn't even exist in the game to counter the ganking lolz.... things would change.. but there are too many "it'll never happen to me.. " morons in the game so the cycle continues... This is how the game is suppose to work; risk vs. reward. Some players will see that increased yield and take a chance that they will be able to avoid the gankers. Other players see another player do that and decide to call them on it and destroy their ship. This constantly shifting balance of risk vs. reward is what keeps the game interesting, interactive and full of conflict. If everyone was required to fly (nearly) invulnerable Skiffs the game would be terribly boring. The option to fly something with more yield, but with greater risk, is at the core of this game. Choosing more risk for more reward does not automatically make you "a moron".
Suicide ganking is an intended mechanic by CCP and is one of the few things makes any player decisions regarding mining in highsec meaningful. Without it the gameplay would be fit max-yield Exhumer, warp to belt and press F1, go make sandwich - literally no player decisions to make or any player engagement.
To the OP, the Mackinaw provides more reward but at more risk. Only you can decide if you are willing to tolerate that risk and can afford the loss if a ganker comes along and takes your shiny Exhumer. That is quintessential dilemma in most aspects of Eve. |
Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2015.06.28 15:26:36 -
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Whilst the overall level threat from CODE is massively overplayed, it is well worth making use of DOTLAN and zKillboard to find systems where ganking activity is low - and believe me there are plenty of nice quiet corners of 0.6 and 0.7 high sec away from the obvious hubs, trade tunnels etc where the odd CODE presence is the exception rather than the rule. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2015.06.28 20:33:50 -
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Stick with the Retriever and spend your time training some PvP, exploration, etc. -- unless you know you love mining.
The usual strategy with a Retriever is to fit it strong enough to ward off a solo ganker and cheap enough that it's not a bother to lose it (this requires a cheapish clone too). For example:
[Retriever, Ore Balanced] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
~15K EHP with moderate skills. 63% shield resist against Kin/Therm ~950 ore yield - you can swap the DC for another laser upgrade if you don't mind the extra risk
Get a procurer to mine with if you lose your ship or know that trouble is around. |
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HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
884
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Posted - 2015.07.03 12:00:43 -
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Damnskippy wrote: Where the skiff shines is the fact it's annoyingly difficult to suicide gank. A tanked skiff will usually be ignored in preference of an easier target. If you're always at the keyboard and taking necessary steps to avoid getting popped, the mack is a better choice. The question is; are you prepared to bet 200 mil that you will be able to outplay a suicide gank squad when the time comes?
LOVL (Laughing out VERY loud).
Until I stopped mining some months ago I had approx. 8-10 ganking attempts on my Retrievers and my Mackis. I died not even once as you can see from my killboard. And there was even one time a guy pulling away Concord in system for a longer spawn time. But I survived even that attack in a Retrievern and he seemd to be full skilled Catalyst Ganker (All T2 stuff and so on. I remember it because he left 3x quite nice loot / extra income^^). And that was usually afk mining. When mining actively I had Hulks and Covetors! Know what to do and do not just bother with how you maximise your mining yield.
Don't get me wrong. Skiff and Procurers are well worth to be choosen, but just for the lazy people who do not care for efficiency and have no idea on how to maximise it!
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HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
884
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Posted - 2015.07.03 12:15:54 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:The usual strategy with a Retriever is to fit it strong enough to ward off a solo ganker and cheap enough that it's not a bother to lose it (this requires a cheapish clone too). For example:
[Retriever, Ore Balanced] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
If that is the strategy, you have a lot to improve.
[Retriever, Ore Balanced] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Transverse Bulkhead I Medium Transverse Bulkhead I Medium Transverse Bulkhead I
Same yield. 20.6k EHP against Catalyst.
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With me is not good cherry eating, but you can steal horses with me.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
342
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Posted - 2015.07.05 03:23:33 -
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HoruSeth wrote:If that is the strategy, you have a lot to improve. I like it.
Your fit increased the EHP on a skilled char from 16,651 to 19,442 with better cap. |
GordonO
Wide Open Throttle
133
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Posted - 2015.07.07 00:40:57 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:ove the better fitting capability of the Mackinaw, the retriever has for a long time needed a bit more lenience in its fitting profile.
Also, unless you are going to be a perfect ORCA pilot and boost a regularly organized mining fleet the CHARON is a far superior option to the ORCA (ive used both and the orca seems cool till you start flying it realize that it really only shines as a fleet assistance ship).
I had an orca for a couple months before i sold it, ive had my Charon for about 2 years and use it almost every single day.
If you are running 2 accounts and mining, you better of in 2 mack's. If you running a 3 man team an orca with 2 hulks is the way to go, even with t1 boosts it makes a difference. Running a freighter in a mining fleet will always be in addition to having an orca and you will need more than half a dozen miners to make it even profitable.
... What next ??
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HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
889
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Posted - 2015.07.07 08:05:40 -
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GordonO wrote: If you are running 2 accounts and mining, you better of in 2 mack's.
Not really. I would always prefer 1 orca and 1 Hulk if you mine actively. If not you are of course better with 2 Macks.
Orca + Hulk (ALL relevant V) generates theoretically, but more important realistically more income!
DC Mackinaw against DC Hulk = 6% plus income with the Hulk DC Mackinaw against max-yield Hulk = 17'% more income
in reality you will gain more income from Hulk as well because you have less empty cycles! A DC Hulk is not necessary as you can gain a lot of tank from using Siege and Armor Warfare Links, because with one Hulk, you only need Laser Optimization Link! And/Or use several other possible tactics to counter solo gankers.
So effectively I would say, that an Orca+Hulk Team generates approx. 20% more income. Surprised? Guess yes :)
With me is not good cherry eating, but you can steal horses with me.
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