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Arec Bardwin
1864
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Posted - 2015.09.26 11:06:53 -
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Wrong thread |
Aiwha
Infinite Point DARKNESS.
861
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Posted - 2015.09.26 12:35:35 -
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It doesn't last as long as you think. I've got thermodynamics V and know how to heatsink properly, and it still feels like my **** burns out instantly. Although that might be the whole "ohshitohshitimfightingsomethingohshit" shakes.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
638
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Posted - 2015.09.26 13:41:09 -
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Combat basically boils down to He Who Can Over Heat the Longest.
Not having thermo 5 puts you at a disadvantage that can only be surmounted by having a better ship or more people.
There's no choice.
You have it, or die.
The only ones arguing for it's being balanced are those who have it maxed and abuse it to pad their Killboards over those who do not.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Your argument is basically the equivalent of saying WW2 USA was on an even playing field against WW2 Germany, which was obviously false as demonstrated by the USA's single handedly winning the war. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point DARKNESS.
861
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Posted - 2015.09.26 13:48:34 -
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What about having a better ship? That's not fair either.
Or having a better fit?
Or having friends?
Or having support skills?
Or faction modules?
None of its fair. CCP. Nerf.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
51
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Posted - 2015.09.26 14:50:06 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Combat basically boils down to He Who Can Over Heat the Longest.
Not having thermo 5 puts you at a disadvantage that can only be surmounted by having a better ship or more people.
There's no choice.
You have it, or die.
The only ones arguing for it's being balanced are those who have it maxed and abuse it to pad their Killboards over those who do not.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Your argument is basically the equivalent of saying WW2 USA was on an even playing field against WW2 Germany, which was obviously false as demonstrated by the USA's single handedly winning the war.
So... a 5% advantage dictates every fight? I've killed a fair amount of guys with only thermodynamics 3, and although I might train it to 4 soon I'll likely never train it to LvL 5 until sometime very far into the future.
Just think, 17 days could let a nub get frigate V, T2 guns, and 2 days worth of tanking skills. That's the ENTIRE POINT of how skills are structured. Nubs can catch up while vets still get an advantage. If you think all those are worth less than a 5% advantage in overheating, you're wrong. Dead wrong. 5% for overheating isn't "required". You can choose to get it if you want, and if you don't, you can fight just fine. You can train other skills to V, like surgical strike V, which gives 3% more damage. Does that mean surgical strike V is OP because you don't have it? No, it means somebody sacrificed 15 days of other skills he could have trained to get it. Stop whining about how other people have a small advantage because you haven't bothered to train it yet. I haven't either, and I don't need it at LvL 5. Nobody does. It's not a have it or die situation. It can help, but the whole point is that it's a tradeoff, 17 days for 5% less overheating instead of something else.
Eve is about choices. The playing field is not supposed to be even. Some people will always have advantages over you, but you can play to your own advantages, i.e. those 17 days you put into other skills. Eve is built on making choices and permanent effects. Stop complaining about how you can't have both. |
Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
639
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Posted - 2015.09.26 15:06:16 -
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ITT dudes who are bad at the game crutching time advantages to win because they're not good enough to do so via skill.
Don't worry bro, you do and say whatever it takes to keep placating the idea you've created that your wins are because you're "good" and not entirely due to your reliance on your time investment.
Scrubs everywhere |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4103
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Posted - 2015.09.26 15:06:47 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Combat basically boils down to He Who Can Over Heat the Longest. LOL
Divine Entervention wrote:Not having thermo 5 puts you at a disadvantage that can only be surmounted by having a better ship or more people. LOL
Divine Entervention wrote:There's no choice.
You have it, or die. LOL
Divine Entervention wrote:The only ones arguing for it's being balanced are those who have it maxed and abuse it to pad their Killboards over those who do not. LOL
Divine Entervention wrote:You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Your argument is basically the equivalent of saying WW2 USA was on an even playing field against WW2 Germany, which was obviously false as demonstrated by the USA's single handedly winning the war. LOL
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Aiwha
Infinite Point DARKNESS.
862
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Posted - 2015.09.26 15:14:59 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:ITT dudes who are bad at the game crutching time advantages to win because they're not good enough to do so via skill.
Don't worry bro, you do and say whatever it takes to keep placating the idea you've created that your wins are because you're "good" and not entirely due to your reliance on your time investment.
Scrubs everywhere
Its 5% damage. All the other skills have to do with repairing the damage faster and with less nanite paste. Overheating is actually very individual skill intensive. Grouping, module positioning, how much other **** you're overheating, all of it plays a role in how much heat damage you're doing.
Getting rid of thermodynamics won't get rid of your bad.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
51
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Posted - 2015.09.26 15:16:13 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:ITT dudes who are bad at the game crutching time advantages to win because they're not good enough to do so via skill.
Don't worry bro, you do and say whatever it takes to keep placating the idea you've created that your wins are because you're "good" and not entirely due to your reliance on your time investment.
Scrubs everywhere
Yea, because I'm against your idea immediately means I'm some sort of lieing bastard who can't PvP. I don't really care if you believe me or not when I say I only have thermo III, and maybe my killboard isn't pretty, but if I can stop it I'm not going to let Eve get any easier. It shouldn't be easy. It's not supposed to be easy. I only play this game because it is hard, and the day it gets easy is the day I'm going to leave. |
Paranoid Loyd
7053
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Posted - 2015.09.26 15:19:22 -
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Look out folks DE has gone full trolltard.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Aiwha
Infinite Point DARKNESS.
862
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Posted - 2015.09.26 15:20:32 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Look out folks DE has gone full trolltard.
I'm a sucker for a ruse cruise.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
671
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Posted - 2015.09.26 15:54:59 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:ITT dudes who are bad at the game crutching time advantages to win because they're not good enough to do so via skill.
Don't worry bro, you do and say whatever it takes to keep placating the idea you've created that your wins are because you're "good" and not entirely due to your reliance on your time investment.
Scrubs everywhere
So in the meta of snakes, drugs, OGB, scout/logi alts being REQUIRED to compete, and gamebreaking OP hulls such as the Orthrus, Garmur and Svipul...you are complaining about overheating which is available to everyone with minimal training, time limited, subject to the risk of burning out modules, and requires active micro-management by every individual pilot?
Get out.
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.09.26 16:10:08 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Combat basically boils down to He Who Can Over Heat the Longest.
Not having thermo 5 puts you at a disadvantage that can only be surmounted by having a better ship or more people.
There's no choice.
You have it, or die.
The only ones arguing for it's being balanced are those who have it maxed and abuse it to pad their Killboards over those who do not./quote]
You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Your argument is basically the equivalent of saying WW2 USA was on an even playing field against WW2 Germany, which was obviously false as demonstrated by the USA's single handedly winning the war.
You are assuming equal player skill all over the board, which is not true imo. One with thermodynamics lvl4 can beat one with lvl 5 if the OH is managed better. You have so many modules to overheat that this choice in itself can decide who wins. example, same ship, samme fitting. One(lvl5) overheats blasters with void, the other (lvl 4 overheats) AB in bursts and scram kite with null. If the second one can manage to stay at range with OH, he will probably win. The first one can't hit the second one because he in the heat of combat forgot to change ammunition and OH the wrong module.
TLDR. You are oversimplifying, as the choice of module to OH at the right time can change the out come, regardless of thermodynamics lvl.
Btw. I have thermodynamics IV on all my pvp characters and I think it is balanced.
Divine Entervention wrote: You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Your argument is basically the equivalent of saying WW2 USA was on an even playing field against WW2 Germany, which was obviously false as demonstrated by the USA's single handedly winning the war.
This is off-topic, so I shouldn't reply. But this statement kinda annoys me.
Here in Europe, the general concensus among historians is that Germany by opening a two front war in 1941 by aggressing eastwards towards Russia,themselves began the end of the war. So you didn't single handedly do anything. Untill you guys joined in 1941, the soldiers of Great Britain certainly did their part. All the poorly equipped russians, that Stalin threw at the Germans in Stalingrad deffinitely also did their part. USA certainly was a determining factor of the outcome, but please... Don't diminish all the effect of what other countries did just because you have a USA centric POV. It is called World War, not the USA- germanic/japanese wars. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point DARKNESS.
863
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Posted - 2015.09.26 16:33:55 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:ITT dudes who are bad at the game crutching time advantages to win because they're not good enough to do so via skill.
Don't worry bro, you do and say whatever it takes to keep placating the idea you've created that your wins are because you're "good" and not entirely due to your reliance on your time investment.
Scrubs everywhere So in the meta of snakes, drugs, OGB, scout/logi alts being REQUIRED to compete, and gamebreaking OP hulls such as the Orthrus, Garmur and Svipul...you are complaining about overheating which is available to everyone with minimal training, time limited, subject to the risk of burning out modules, and requires active micro-management by every individual pilot? Get out.
If we're gonna talk about OGB, that I do think needs to go. Not because I don't have OGB alts of my own, but because I have full commandship/boosting skills on my main and I want to fly them in fleets.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
640
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Posted - 2015.09.26 17:16:50 -
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I understand you're all exercising the right of Freedom of Speech the USA guaranteed us all by winning both world wars, but you have to know you all look rather silly undertaking such a trollish stance, making such ridiculous claims of overheating not being OP all in the hope of smoke screening your saving grace you use to win through non-skill based measures. . . . But you're wrong. In so many ways. |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2015.09.26 18:18:22 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I understand you're all exercising the right of Freedom of Speech the USA guaranteed us all by winning both world wars, but you have to know you all look rather silly undertaking such a trollish stance, making such ridiculous claims of overheating not being OP all in the hope of smoke screening your saving grace you use to win through non-skill based measures. . . . But you're wrong. In so many ways.
wow ... just... wow. I can't even... wtf?
looks like you have your opinion pretty much cut in stone, and has no intention of interacting in discussing this matter rationally. Personally I find the inability to process an opposing opinion and responds with logical arguments instead of " I am right, you guys are wrong and stupid, and i don't have to explain why, because I am in my special bubble" kinda sad. It also stops all fruitfull discussion about this topic, as you derail and present personal opinions as facts. You can't get anything constructive out of this. I at least hope you are just trolling, the alternative is too bad to think about.
I wish you best wishes for future endeavours, but I will refrain from responding to any of your posts from now on( yeah yeah I know, huff and puff... you don't care).
Also I have already given my thoughts on this topic, as have both sides. the threnches have been dug and nothing constructive is being achieved. Perhaps it is time to lock this thread? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12063
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Posted - 2015.09.26 18:58:54 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Look out folks DE has gone full trolltard. never go full trolltard
sero Hita wrote: wow ... just... wow. I can't even... wtf? "So thoroughly concussed by the wrong end of this particular stick that explaining it further would be a waste of both our time" - me, like a year ago regarding de. at least his grammar has improved somewhat.
Better the Devil you know.
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
418
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Posted - 2015.09.26 20:10:41 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Combat basically boils down to He Who Can Over Heat the Longest.
Not having thermo 5 puts you at a disadvantage that can only be surmounted by having a better ship or more people.
There's no choice.
You have it, or die.
The only ones arguing for it's being balanced are those who have it maxed and abuse it to pad their Killboards over those who do not.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Your argument is basically the equivalent of saying WW2 USA was on an even playing field against WW2 Germany, which was obviously false as demonstrated by the USA's single handedly winning the war.
And here was me thinking the forum post quality" bar, was in complete freefall. |
Zihao
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
158
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Posted - 2015.09.26 20:17:14 -
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"Guaranteed replies." |
Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
180
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Posted - 2015.09.26 21:25:15 -
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Take a noob to pvp and let him overheat vs a vet that dosent, the vet will win.
Vet experience is op! Ccp please nerf!!! |
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Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
641
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Posted - 2015.09.26 21:39:44 -
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Sounds like a few too many haters are getting a tad bit over heated in their postings.
At least I have chicken. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5403
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Posted - 2015.09.26 22:15:57 -
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Never heat-damage a capital module.
Ouch. That's a lot of paste. |
Bobb Bobbington
The Cult of the Rare Pepes
51
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Posted - 2015.09.26 22:28:59 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Never heat-damage a capital module.
Ouch. That's a lot of paste.
How much paste does it take? Plus can't you just repair it in a station? |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
1815
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Posted - 2015.09.26 22:30:18 -
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i recently bought a nag with 50% hull damage and burnt out guns
you really shouldn't do that in lowsec. it gets ... expensive |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
1051
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Posted - 2015.09.27 01:28:33 -
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lilol' me wrote:So I been thinking a lot recently, looking at videos etc and overheating seems pretty much the thing everyone does almost immediately when going into a fight.
When overheating was first introduced its was supposed to be like that last minute saviour, or something to get you out of trouble, however the amount of time you can now overheat, especially with skills is far too OP and too long. You can almost overheat especially in smaller ship fights for most of the fight. Surely there is something a little wrong there. Overheating should only be for a short period, shouldn't it? Your guns, or mods should burn out far more quickly than they do, otherwise you might as well just give every mod those extra increase normally.
When micro warp drives were introduced, they were intended to be travel mods that balanced out the vulnerable nature of gate travel and had a lot of drawbacks, especially for shield tanks. Look what they are now.
Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.
I invented Tiericide
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ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
65
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Posted - 2015.09.27 02:21:24 -
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Locked for cleaning.
ISD Atomic Dove
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1106
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Posted - 2015.09.27 07:45:08 -
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lilol' me wrote:So I been thinking a lot recently...
Really.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
674
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Posted - 2015.09.28 04:37:01 -
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Gilbaron wrote:i recently bought a nag with 50% hull damage and burnt out guns
you really shouldn't do that in lowsec. it gets ... expensive
I heard there's a good supercap repair shop down in Aridia.
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Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
646
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Posted - 2015.09.28 04:55:16 -
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looks like a couple modules got burnt out |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2015.09.28 05:17:40 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Never heat-damage a capital module.
Ouch. That's a lot of paste.
As a Nanite Paste manufacturer, I strongly advise everyone to always overheat their capital modules.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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