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Kaivar Lancer
Placid Peace Corps
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Posted - 2015.06.29 16:56:25 -
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Basically I was hiding in low-sec, off-grid and 1000km from the closest celestial, hitting D-Scan every so often (once every 1-2 min) to look for possible targets. My ship wasn't cloaked.
Anyway, an assault frigate warped to within 20km of me, I challenged him and got blapped. I don't recall seeing any combat probes on d-scan so I'm wondering if it's possible to find ships without probes? Remember I was off-grid from the cloest celestial. I can only think that he scanned me down super-quick somehow and recalled his combat probes before I could detect them.
Or could he have used a micro jump drive? I'm not really familiar with that module, but I understand it allows you to "jump" 100km in front of you. I was 1000km away from the closest celestial, so he could've warp to that celestial, and used d-scan to pinpoint my distance and direction, and micro-jumped until he landed in my grid?
Any help appreciated! |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.06.29 17:01:48 -
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By using D-scan a hunter can get a decent idea of your location, once they have a general idea of your location they can scan you down with probes in about 10 seconds and pull them right back in, if you were scanning every 1-2 minutes they could have scanned you down 8 or 9 times without you noticing the probes.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
744
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Posted - 2015.06.29 17:50:11 -
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Yep, dscan gives you angle and distance ... enough for immediate probe success ... but in your case it was probably much easier as you were 1000km from a celestial. What I do is, scan with probes at 16 or 32AU, see your ship, guess the celestial, reposition the probes at that celestial with 0,5AU, scan, retract, warp (I'm pre-aligned to the celestial from outside dscan range).
To be quite safe from that tactic, you should never be standing still in space or cruise with low speed, always be aligned to something and travel with your prop mod on (MWD is better here ofc). Then you have a chance to escape because the opponent may land a couple 10km off ... however only if the distance to the next warpable thing is a couple of AUs. When you emergency warp to something else than a stargate always pick a random distance, never warp at 0 or 10, 100 ... your opponent may land before you as he probably knows your warp point using his tracking camera.
This all will not help if you are AFK, I once catched a ceptor traveling at 4km/s with a pimped Svipul ...
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
647
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Posted - 2015.06.29 21:57:47 -
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Sure is! You can usually find them coming right out of a station or through a gate. I've even seen them being sold on this thing they call the "Market". |
Kaivar Lancer
Placid Peace Corps
622
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Posted - 2015.06.30 11:46:55 -
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Thanks for the help! |
Valkin Mordirc
1178
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Posted - 2015.06.30 13:41:00 -
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It's also possible that he D-scanned you down, then basically made a safe spot mid warp where he roughly thought you were.
It involves a TON of luck. But it's possible to do.
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Mark Hadden
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
49
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Posted - 2015.06.30 13:49:08 -
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yes, back in the day the only way to kill a unscannable off-grid booster was to find celestials his safe spot was aligned with (assumed he was bad enough and didnt make a real ss) and break his spot by warping back and forth, making bookmarks closer to him step by step. This still works if you dont want to scare off your target by combat probes. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1079
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Posted - 2015.06.30 15:19:01 -
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He could also have warped to the same celestial and seen you flash on his overview for a split second. Then he knows you're just off grid and starts to do his bookmark work.
But yeah, you need to D-scan for probes about every 10 seconds. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.30 20:16:34 -
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Confirming, pump that scan button like your life depends on it...because it does.
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Melody Axon
AA and MA
15
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Posted - 2015.07.01 02:35:13 -
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The fact that you need to hit D-scan a lot more often has already been said, but I'm just going to touch on another part of your post that you mentioned.
You asked about the micro jump drives (MJDs). These come in two flavours, Large MJD and Medium MJD. Large MJD's can only be fit onto Battleships, Medium MJDs can only be fit onto BCs. So that's certainly not a method the AF could use. What the MJDs do is throw your ship 100 km in the direction you are travelling, and they can only be disabled by a scram.
Hope this increases your knowledge of these modules slightly :) |
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Portmanteau
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.02 04:06:01 -
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If you were only1000km from a celestial you could be found with dscan only relatively easily. Find celestial, find range... find 5 degree alignment and burn towards it. But it does sound like you were probed quickly in this case. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
706
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Posted - 2015.07.02 07:17:37 -
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People can use d-scan. Quick probes or they might have your spot bookmarked from another encounter. Also if you are between celestials they can warp back and forth book marking until they get ontop of you |
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