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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Stain Confederation
185
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Posted - 2015.07.01 20:53:13 -
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Orions Lord wrote:Aaron,
Is it possible to have a mutual agreement not to shoot each other.
To be honest I am not really interested in getting the market up again with several freighter loads like last time. Or whatever you are up too. But I am interested in blue status without any ties connected to it.
If there is going to be a blue status that is in a working state I can give you an list of pilots in my group that are still active in 'the old' area's.
I can promise you these pilots will not shoot any of your list provided.
And then we will see where this is going.
Heey Orion,
Thanks for all your hard work on the last venture it was appreciated, Unfortunately we don't want to blue folks who have nothing to contribute to the cause. I have thought about this issue long and hard and I can't see the benefit.
We are looking for people who can contribute something, contributions are classed as;
- attending pvp ops when you can - finding wormholes for the community - helping with resource gathering - providing intelligence - scouting a fellow hub zero dweller - isk/ships - services such as a freight service or maintaining the market - advising new players on comms - creating content by fleet commanding or organizing events
As you can see there are easy ways to contribute to this which I think are reasonable. After speaking with the others involved they feel we should stand firm on this and require one or more of the above for Hub Zero membership.
You stated that you weren't interested in anything I am doing, It may be unclear to you who I am. I am a visionary.
You're a good man Orion, I hope I haven't offended you.
Regards,
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3025
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Posted - 2015.07.02 12:30:36 -
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Aaron wrote: Unfortunately we don't want to blue folks who have nothing to contribute to the cause.,
But you're still NBSI right ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
155
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Posted - 2015.07.02 13:29:17 -
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This is the last one, you were looking for.
Funnily that was already the "Last Crusade" making this iteration the "first post crusade"? |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3025
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Posted - 2015.07.02 15:01:07 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:This is the last one, you were looking for. Funnily that was already the "Last Crusade" making this iteration the "first post crusade"?
Aaron has the tendency to aim for the unachievable , not because of what he wants but how he wants to achieve it.So the last two times we ended up with a threadnaught filled with drama and a ragequit by aaron to end it.He also has the tendency to come back after a years break or so and aim for the same thing without trying to actually make it achievable.
But who knows , maybe this time it will succeed .If dracvlad doesn't join him in this ''adventure'' then at least something has changed.
And if it doesn't this thread is definatly going for the 2015 entertainment award at fanfest.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution The Initiative.
439
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Posted - 2015.07.02 16:56:35 -
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Ah the thread that just keeps on giving.
I'm getting settled in.
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Loki O'Grady
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
25
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Posted - 2015.07.02 17:54:07 -
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My god... you're nothing if not persistent, Aaron. Best of luck this time around |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16639
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Posted - 2015.07.02 19:24:53 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Joia Crenca wrote:I must have missed it, but what was the 'last episode'?
Just search for: Invitation to 0.0 (-Destiny-) There was an older one before that too. About six years ago now, actually.I was still lurking then and this was one of those things that ultimately made me suscribe to Eve Online. Awesome threadnought and totally worth the read, has everything that MAKES Eve Online so unique: An enterprising if somewhat naive idea, initial ridicule from the usual naysayers, some, even great, success, eventual betrayal, forum rage and accusations back and forth and eventual collapse all playing out on the forums over 71 pages. Hell, even the Devs (no such thing as "ISD" back then in the good old times) seemed to enjoy this little episode, considering they allowed it to go on for over half a year....
Holy god that really was six years ago
Ow well, third time lucky, Aaron. I trust you've reflected on previous mistakes made.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Stain Confederation
185
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Posted - 2015.07.02 20:29:47 -
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flakeys wrote:Sequester Risalo wrote:This is the last one, you were looking for. Funnily that was already the "Last Crusade" making this iteration the "first post crusade"? Aaron has the tendency to aim for the unachievable , not because of what he wants but how he wants to achieve it.So the last two times we ended up with a threadnaught filled with drama and a ragequit by aaron to end it.He also has the tendency to come back after a years break or so and aim for the same thing without trying to actually make it achievable. But who knows , maybe this time it will succeed .If dracvlad doesn't join him in this ''adventure'' then at least something has changed. And if it doesn't this thread is definatly going for the 2015 entertainment award at fanfest.
Hey Flakeys,
I think it depends on perspective. My perspective is that I am able to use under the radar tactics in order to make it impossible for people to stop me ratting for example. I worked with 2 or 3 other guys in the past and we were pulling in a couple billion a week with little effort. Lets say we have 10 guys using the under the radar tactics and belt ratting for a couple hours per day, we would earn lots.
I feel lots of eve players are set in their ways and not prepared to try other tactics. When I talked about my under the radar tactics to other guys their response is normally "but you can make more per hour in a bigger ship" they completely miss my point.
Nothing I've said in any of my ventures in unachievable, the real question is if the eve community is prepared to follow my suggestions.
I have survived in Stain for many years, is it really that hard to believe that I can't teach people to do the same thing?
I had a good convo with an old friend who was in my corp a few years back and he felt the the experience I gave him help him become a success within this game. He said that because he learned exactly how to survive it has made him a better hunter.
I only ask the community to try what I'm suggesting, If you don't know how to earn under hostile conditions then you don't know everything about eve.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Legion Masser
Rage-Machine
37
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Posted - 2015.07.02 21:41:30 -
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Oh boy ! This again? Talk about beating a dead horse , I hope someone summarizes this thread cuz It took forever to read through the last super thread where after the smoke dust finally settled from its destruction, your right hand man and you had some disagreements on just why your dream failed.
Ill give ya one thing , you sure are resilient and that is certainly admirable. No matter how many times you fail at the exact same thing, your not afraid to step up to the plate and swing your little heart out again and again. Your drive to achieve your Utopian null sec is honorable. You certainly are optimistic - Good luck and best wishes
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Stain Confederation
185
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Posted - 2015.07.02 22:47:12 -
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Hub Zero Anthems - Collection 2 - House, Electronic inspired, Drum and Bass,
Ten Walls - Walking with Elephants
Tazer - Wet Dollars
One tribe ft Gem - What Have You Done
Sound of Eden - Shades Of Rhythm
Future Sound Of London - Papua New Guinea
Joe Smooth - Promised Land
Robin S - Show Me Love
Baby D - Let Me Be Your Fantasy
Jazztronik - Samurai
Debbie Malone - Rescue Me
Omni Trio - Soul Promenade
4th Measure - 4 You
Moloko - Sing It Back - Brazillian Mix
Mr V feat Miss Patty - Da Bump
Phaze II - Reachin
X-Press 2 featuring David Byrne - Lazy << funny vid
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Jason War Cleaver
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.07.03 00:40:07 -
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Two pages of posts about 'settling in for the drama' and no drama to be seen. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Stain Confederation
185
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Posted - 2015.07.03 01:22:11 -
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Jason War Cleaver wrote:Two pages of posts about 'settling in for the drama' and no drama to be seen.
Well you'll get no drama from me on this episode because i am here to push the ideal of a blue community in NPC 0.0.
I have done a few things differently this time because i learned that most of the drama comes from people who are not committed to the cause. I have made it so that we will not be blue'ing just anyone unless they can contribute something to the community. With this method I can focus my attention on people who are committed.
Looking back on all the drama I have ever been involved in I have been able to identify a trend, that trend is these people are in no way shape or form prepared to accept any kind of advice, council or suggestions from myself. I'm gonna try this without the drama queens and simply work with people who have constructive methods and a keen desire to be part of a team. You drama merchants have seriously drained my energy over the years..BUT NO MORE!!!
None of you reading this are stupid, I know this. I think the goal of populating Stain needs to be looked at more carefully, because I have been out here mostly alone and I have/can achieve a high level of success for myself using well thought out techniques. For people to think that I have nothing to teach them about survival and success in the face of danger is disparaging and 100% in-accurate
I will be patient with all of you and i will be cool if some of you do decide to give this a go. We can't just leave stain bare and void of life, that would be silly in my opinion. More of us should set-up here and open the possibilities to more content.
I have much more to offer than just drama.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Stain Confederation
186
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Posted - 2015.07.03 01:36:18 -
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Aaron wrote:
More of us should set-up here and open the possibilities to more content.
I can't wait for the days when people from all over the Eve universe want to come and fight hub zero fc's, I like fights where both teams are managing their reps and the fight is close to a stalemate. Fights like these show a high skill level where it could come down to one side making a mistake or simply losing cap.
Please try to see that this is a serious opportunity to make some great content.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
51
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Posted - 2015.07.03 08:00:32 -
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Aaron wrote:Jason War Cleaver wrote:Two pages of posts about 'settling in for the drama' and no drama to be seen. Well you'll get no drama from me on this episode because i am here to push the ideal of a blue community in NPC 0.0. (...) I have much more to offer than just drama.
Let this be quoted FOR ALL ETERNITY !
... y'know. Just in case.
Actually, "no drama this time" would be a good selling point to everyone familiar with your work, Aaron. Keep that promise up.
Here comes a time, ganker,
When blingfits cease to sparkle,
When hermophite looses its luster,
When the station hangar becomes a prison
And all that is left is a capsuleer's love for his fedo.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3027
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Posted - 2015.07.03 10:44:05 -
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Legion Masser wrote:Oh boy ! This again? Talk about beating a dead horse , I hope someone summarizes this thread cuz It took forever to read through the last super thread where after the smoke dust finally settled from its destruction, your right hand man and you had some disagreements on just why your dream failed.
Ill give ya one thing , you sure are resilient and that is certainly admirable. No matter how many times you fail at the exact same thing, your not afraid to step up to the plate and swing your little heart out again and again. Your drive to achieve your Utopian null sec is honorable. You certainly are optimistic - Good luck and best wishes
Being resilient and being stubborn are close to one another yet one is good and the other is bad ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3027
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Posted - 2015.07.03 10:46:10 -
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Vek Hareka wrote:Aaron wrote:Jason War Cleaver wrote:Two pages of posts about 'settling in for the drama' and no drama to be seen. Well you'll get no drama from me on this episode because i am here to push the ideal of a blue community in NPC 0.0. (...) I have much more to offer than just drama. Let this be quoted FOR ALL ETERNITY ! ... y'know. Just in case. Actually, "no drama this time" would be a good selling point to everyone familiar with your work, Aaron. Keep that promise up.
Hell no , we like to be entertained too.Let the drama flow ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Orions Lord
NeoCom Systems
14
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Posted - 2015.07.03 20:48:55 -
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Why this again actual?
Do you have already an fleet that is willing to work with you? |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Stain Confederation
195
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Posted - 2015.07.03 22:54:24 -
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Orions Lord wrote:Why this again actual?
Do you have already an fleet that is willing to work with you?
Hello again Orion,
Hub Zero is a logical venture, the pilots involved will have an opportunity to exploit systems which are void of life and have access to untold riches. A few people are skillful enough to unlock the riches of Stain and have done so. I want to lay the foundation for the next generation of Eve pilots and show them that it's really difficult to stop someone who has a well thought out and bold play style.
At the moment we have a few guys ready to throw down dps, not many, enough to lay a foundation.
I have a question for you Orion, What is it that you desire?
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Arkady Romanov
Hole Violence Whole Squid
598
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Posted - 2015.07.04 03:54:48 -
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Aaron wrote:Jason War Cleaver wrote:Two pages of posts about 'settling in for the drama' and no drama to be seen. Well you'll get no drama from me on this episode because i am here to push the ideal of a blue community in NPC 0.0. I have done a few things differently this time because i learned that most of the drama comes from people who are not committed to the cause. I have made it so that we will not be blue'ing just anyone unless they can contribute something to the community. With this method I can focus my attention on people who are committed.
Actually the common denominator in all of the drama is you, and your inability to see your own strengths and weaknesses. I didn't see what happened to your experiment in 2009 because that was before my time, but I'm reading the archives of it and golly gosh if it doesn't bear a striking resemblance to the thread about Hub Zero from 2014.
I'm looking forward to another spectacular meltdown.
Whole Squid: Get Inked.
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Orions Lord
NeoCom Systems
14
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Posted - 2015.07.04 10:17:26 -
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Aaron wrote:Orions Lord wrote:Why this again actual?
Do you have already an fleet that is willing to work with you? Hello again Orion, Hub Zero is a logical venture, the pilots involved will have an opportunity to exploit systems which are void of life and have access to untold riches. A few people are skillful enough to unlock the riches of Stain and have done so. I want to lay the foundation for the next generation of Eve pilots and show them that it's really difficult to stop someone who has a well thought out and bold play style. At the moment we have a few guys ready to throw down dps, not many, enough to lay a foundation. I have a question for you Orion, What is it that you desire? If you are interested I can assure you that we won't be blue'ing the type of player who causes problems and brings drama, we are prepared to take our time and wait to ensure the people we blue don't mind listening.
Well all assets are still in the stations collecting dust. Also I had the enemy carebears doing the dull work for me and they actual supplied our markets without their knowledge I can set that up again. I have to see what the status is with that and maybe start it up again, because I like seeing carebears working for their corp members and it actual goes to the other side. Don't worry they can't avoid it I have that covered even if they read this stuff. But I have to check if they still exist and if the logistics route is still alive etc. etc.
I work with spreadsheet in space but the sheets don't work anymore because google docs.... So, if I can get my head to it I might try to get that working again. That will tell me what to provide what I gain from it and if it is available from my resources.
But there is always an but.
Each market place had about 15bil of assets in the market in the old days I am not really in the mood to reset this enormous mountain of assets in the market every week because I am providing stuff for 10 people or so.
Basically I am asking you to get your **** together with a good group of players and maybe I can fill the market again. Also I am not going to discuss the market prizes anymore they are not that bad and jump freighters are expensive.
So, we could start up the research in Stain again and move the bpo's to the required stations, we still have blackops, and all that stuff etc. so we probably stay alive moving them.
We don't require anything from whatever we can do it our self and it is still in Stain we need to see what the status is in Stain an d adjust our tactics.
So basically I am providing you an starter market and you don't shoot my pilots.
Or I stay killing carebears in high sec where the real PVP is also Hail James 315.
Are you guys willing to buy a mining permit also?
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Stain Confederation
196
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Posted - 2015.07.04 18:38:59 -
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Ok Orion, i'll contact you in-game
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
280
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Posted - 2015.07.04 20:01:49 -
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Well, this is going nowhere fast. I don't think we're going to recapture the magic this time. Here's a suggestion:
Aaron and jadecougar are two of the more dysfunctional/delusional famous (wannabe) 'leaders' in EVE's history. You should team up and share your adventures. |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
280
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Posted - 2015.07.04 23:43:44 -
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Expanding on my previous suggestion, once you and Jade agree to join forces, you'll have to agree on an alliance name.
Since the number 3 kind of looks like a bum, and you've already got Li3 and Stain confederation, I propose that the merger either be known as 'Lost in Shi*stain' or my preference: 'The Shi*stain Confederation'
So it would either be Li3-Stain or The 3-Stain Confederation. With the hyphen representing the fecal matter, of course.
Your engagement doctrine would of course be NBSI (not brown shoot it.) |
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2015.07.05 01:33:43 -
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Aaron wrote: I'd like to enjoy the benefits of null without sov or a large alliance.
So great to see that you have not yet lost your hope in humanity despite earlier setbacks with Zero Hub, and trusting that people will not fire each others or strangers just because they can...
Hell, why walk normally when you can limb, much more funnier that way!
Subscribed to thread and I-¦m sure you will keep us all up to date with "events"! Good Luck, Soldier! +û7 |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
339
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Posted - 2015.07.05 02:29:18 -
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Aaron wrote:I have made it so that we will not be blue'ing just anyone unless they can contribute something to the community. What? I thought communism was on the upswing: Leader of the free world -- Leader of the Catholic church - why not Hub Zero? |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier Stain Confederation
197
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Posted - 2015.07.05 03:48:11 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Aaron wrote:I have made it so that we will not be blue'ing just anyone unless they can contribute something to the community. What? I thought communism was on the upswing: Leader of the free world -- Leader of the Catholic church - why not Hub Zero?
You're saying you perceive this as communism?
I see this as an example of socialism. A community of blues contribute their time into destabilizing local threats and are successful to the extent where the threats can't operate there and move. The result of this is the blue community securing their earning potential and having a reasonably safe area to earn in. We even plan to have some guys further up the pipe and reporting possible threats coming down the pipe, again, the lookouts will be contributing their time to ensure no one loses ships.
Now the above example would not have been possible if no one contributed their time into the pvp ops to secure the area. I hope you can see why contributions are important Shiloh.
This venture is actually in your hands too Shiloh, Come down and help us scout, come and sell your wares on the market, make ships for us and we will buy them from you at a great price. We can then use these contributions and make a safe haven for you Shiloh.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier Stain Confederation
197
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Posted - 2015.07.05 04:03:22 -
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I've created an in-game chat channel for anyone who has any queries.
Hub-Zero Public
Feel free to hang there if you want to get a feel for whats going on before you commit to coming down.
Things are going well so far, I did a hi sec run to jita today to replenish some much needed supplies while a few friends of mine went on a roam around the area. I think we have chosen a great area and I'm looking forward to more like-minded people joining us.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
6088
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Posted - 2015.07.05 06:29:59 -
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Removed an off topic post.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3035
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Posted - 2015.07.05 08:38:08 -
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0bama Barack Hussein wrote:Aaron wrote: I'd like to enjoy the benefits of null without sov or a large alliance. So great to see that you have not yet lost your hope in humanity despite earlier setbacks with Zero Hub, and trusting that people will not fire each others or strangers just because they can... Hell, why walk normally when you can limb, much more funnier that way!
Subscribed to thread and I-¦m sure you will keep us all up to date with "events"! Good Luck, Soldier! +û7
Are you suggesting that Aaron is in fact Keyser Soze?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2015.07.05 10:46:08 -
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flakeys wrote:0bama Barack Hussein wrote:Aaron wrote: I'd like to enjoy the benefits of null without sov or a large alliance. So great to see that you have not yet lost your hope in humanity despite earlier setbacks with Zero Hub, and trusting that people will not fire each others or strangers just because they can... Hell, why walk normally when you can limb, much more funnier that way!
Subscribed to thread and I-¦m sure you will keep us all up to date with "events"! Good Luck, Soldier! +û7 Are you suggesting that Aaron is in fact Keyser Soze?
Well he could give me a bil for marketing effort
What I-¦m saying up there (and below this) is that Aarons` thing might not work because he has not counted in all variables and unforseen happenings, where kicking awoxer with red standing out of alliance is only option for a whole thing to work, and is not willing to create Hub Zero to be controlled or monitored in a proper manner, when there are some "sabotage idiots" shooting friendlies and stranges (causing wars and drawing griefers/spies)...
Sry from exaple about RL poIitics ISD (i hope you read it and see it is not attack against anything, just describing links of uncontrallable, even accidental happenings, but still just "matter of time" events), but...
Think Aaron here is more like the (new noob right wing populist) foreign affairs minster of Finland, who very recently followed EU regulations of sanctions into a last drop of bureautic letter, by not allowing some Russian politics here to celebration of 1975 Helsinki-process 40 years ago, and soon Russia started to threateing with more sanctions against Fineland as a "hostile country" (while we now have still majority towards neutrality, there is exploding numbers of NATO-supporters now, thing Russia wanted to prevent in Ukraine, but might have caused it in Russians northern border, and NATO supporters will sure be soon majority if things go this way too long), that in turn will make EU as a whole increase sanctions against Russia very hard, as we just followed EU-rules...
Idea compacted Aaron: How will you CONTROL chaos that results when nasty people infiltrate this area pretending to be friends, but just attack others there (and strangers in hope they bring retaliation and war there later)?
Without alliance you have just no way to kick out/make "friendly" hostile infiltrators of Hub Zero red-targets for rest of the group, quick atleast... Sure, alliance can be easily wardecked if one pilot shoots wrong guy.. But i see it happening anyway, allied or not... |
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