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Captn Balu
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.01 11:19:26 -
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Hello!
I-¦m pretty new in eve and i want to fly an T3 destroyer (mainly solo) in fw. I know that Svipul are very good for solo pvp, but i dont like them. i want to play confessor or jackdaw but i dont know what i should prefer for solo pvp. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.07.01 15:31:19 -
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Captn Balu wrote:Hello!
I-¦m pretty new in eve and i want to fly an T3 destroyer (mainly solo) in fw. I know that Svipul are very good for solo pvp, but i dont like them. i want to play confessor or jackdaw but i dont know what i should prefer for solo pvp.
you like armor tanking? confessor. you like lasers? confessor.
you like shield tanking? jackdaw. you like missiles/rockets? jackdaw.
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Captn Balu
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.01 16:30:02 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote: you like armor tanking? confessor. you like lasers? confessor.
you like shield tanking? jackdaw. you like missiles/rockets? jackdaw.
I like the rockets (above all the animation) and i like shield tank, but i dont like the weakness of the missiles against active tank and fast kiting ships. And i like lasers but i hate really the trackings problems. |
Fractal Fox
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.01 17:43:34 -
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Captn Balu wrote: I like the rockets (above all the animation) and i like shield tank, but i dont like the weakness of the missiles against active tank and fast kiting ships. And i like lasers but i hate really the trackings problems.
Pick your poison. Unfortunately, this game tries to be balanced, so you have to accept some natural weakness and try and compensate for it by picking your fights, fitting your ship well, and training relevant skills. At the end of the day, you really should pick what seems cooler or what lowers your skill queue for a future ship. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.07.01 18:27:01 -
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Fractal Fox wrote:Unfortunately, this game tries to be balanced. You would prefer something else?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.07.01 22:23:34 -
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Hecate.
---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
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Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2015.07.01 22:51:21 -
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Captn Balu wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote: you like armor tanking? confessor. you like lasers? confessor.
you like shield tanking? jackdaw. you like missiles/rockets? jackdaw.
I like the rockets (above all the animation) and i like shield tank, but i dont like the weakness of the missiles against active tank and fast kiting ships. And i like lasers but i hate really the trackings problems. I get the impression that rocket Jackdaw can effortlessly break active tanks. Myabe shield are slightly tough, but in general, even with low alpha, the consistent deeps will end up getting in between the rep cycles. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:18:29 -
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Just get a Svipul. It's vastly OP compared to the other two. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:49:52 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Just get a Svipul. It's vastly OP compared to the other two.
Not true, they each have their use
Svipul isn't nearly as deadly as a beam confessor at range, and has lower dps at close
Compared to jackdaw, it can't orbit at 30 kms going 3.5k/s + in speed mode with an align time of 2 secs while still hitting no problem, at close range jackdaw has better range control and tanks more |
Pew Terror
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.06 21:06:23 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Just get a Svipul. It's vastly OP compared to the other two. Not true, they each have their use Svipul isn't nearly as deadly as a beam confessor at range, and has lower dps at close Compared to jackdaw, it can't orbit at 30 kms going 3.5k/s + in speed mode with an align time of 2 secs while still hitting no problem, at close range jackdaw has better range control and tanks more
That is only if you forgot to draw with your finger on the svipul hulls spacedust. Draw things like '+3', 'holy' or 'of dragonslaying'. |
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Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
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Posted - 2015.07.07 01:00:19 -
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Captn Balu wrote:I like the rockets (above all the animation) and i like shield tank, but i dont like the weakness of the missiles against active tank and fast kiting ships. And i like lasers but i hate really the trackings problems.
to be fair there aren't a lot of people flying around looking for Jackdaws in ships specifically fast enough to outrun missiles. Javelin missiles will hit most targets, or at least be enough of a hassle that you'll have a good opportunity to slip point and warp off. Damps aren't going to be a problem either since there's enough range in Sharpshooter mode to pretty much ignore them.
Caldari ships are kind of meh overall but the Jackdaw stats look great and there's a lot to be said for a flying swiss army knife that can mount weapons and tank capable of carrying on no matter how rough the going gets.
Confessor is basically just a T2 Coercer and for all its tank and DPS capabilities it's nothing more than a shiny rock in space the instant the cap runs dry. |
Syrias Bizniz
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.08 08:35:15 -
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Do T3D fit into smalls? |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.07.08 12:38:57 -
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yes
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Syrilian
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.08 13:41:04 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:Do T3D fit into smalls?
Unfortunately.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:33:25 -
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If I had to choose between a Jackdaw and a Svipul, I'd prolly go with the Jackdaw. Jackdaw has more mid slots so you can sport a comparable tank to the Svipul, while having slots left for scram and a web. Sure your dps won't be as stellar as the Svipul, but it is still more than enough. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.07.10 16:12:39 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:If I had to choose between a Jackdaw and a Svipul, I'd prolly go with the Jackdaw. Jackdaw has more mid slots so you can sport a comparable tank to the Svipul, while having slots left for scram and a web. Sure your dps won't be as stellar as the Svipul, but it is still more than enough.
tank "comparable" to svipul?
dude, jackdaw's tank can get to "LOL puny gila trying to kill me how CUTE" level |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.10 21:17:08 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:If I had to choose between a Jackdaw and a Svipul, I'd prolly go with the Jackdaw. Jackdaw has more mid slots so you can sport a comparable tank to the Svipul, while having slots left for scram and a web. Sure your dps won't be as stellar as the Svipul, but it is still more than enough. tank "comparable" to svipul? dude, jackdaw's tank can get to "LOL puny gila trying to kill me how CUTE" level
Exactly my point, but you don't have to tank it that much. When you do, you're gimping something else. I use a 3 slot tank, prop mod, web, scram. It's not cap stable, but what good pvp ship is? |
pushdogg
Tell Your Mum To Call Me Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.07.13 20:55:56 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:If I had to choose between a Jackdaw and a Svipul, I'd prolly go with the Jackdaw. Jackdaw has more mid slots so you can sport a comparable tank to the Svipul, while having slots left for scram and a web. Sure your dps won't be as stellar as the Svipul, but it is still more than enough. tank "comparable" to svipul? dude, jackdaw's tank can get to "LOL puny gila trying to kill me how CUTE" level
Qft. |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.17 19:32:21 -
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Plato Forko wrote:Captn Balu wrote:I like the rockets (above all the animation) and i like shield tank, but i dont like the weakness of the missiles against active tank and fast kiting ships. And i like lasers but i hate really the trackings problems. Confessor is basically just a T2 Coercer and for all its tank and DPS capabilities it's nothing more than a shiny rock in space the instant the cap runs dry.
Never had any cap problems running a beam confessor, and I've used them extensively in nullsec battles ongrid with several hundred enemy. And lived. And blapped many ships. It all boils down to how well you fly it.
As for Hecate...I'm trying sniper variants of this one as well. The volleys are somewhat smaller than confessor although the dps is supposed to be comparable (and better tracking on Hecate too). Still undecided. I actually think there is 'shock' value to the Confessors volleys. If you are in any kind of frig or smaller if you haven't reacted immediately to that first volley from 80km away you are pretty much dead by the time the next one hits. |
Starbuck05
Pretty Hate Machine. Symmetric Symbiosis
266
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Posted - 2015.07.22 19:16:01 -
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If your new to pvp i would suggest the jackdaw...you can pretty much stand still , tank and shoot ..if target gets out of range switch to sharpshooter ..maybe you won't kill em but if they run away you still technicaly win.
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Aslon Seridith
Calibrated Chaos Habitual Chaos
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Posted - 2015.07.22 22:27:53 -
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Confessor.
pïí it's ASLON SERIDTH? | Minmatar Most Loved #1 | Gave Amarr a Medal | Orchestrator of BurnHuola'14 |
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Rovain Sess
Obsidian Cadre
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Posted - 2015.07.23 14:21:41 -
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I think that the saying "know thyself" is a good answer for your question. Both are great ships, but your piloting playstyle does factor into which would be better ( for you ).The Jackdaw is a bit more forgiving and more suited to straight up in your face brawl. Having said that, a kitey well flown Confessor can be a real challenge ( or Pulse and high damage can be nasty ). I generally try to think of what a ship can do devoid of implants or boosts and I can't find a real fault with either of these platforms. My only hesitation with the Confessor is that it - like all Amarr ships - is susceptible to neuts and this reduces it's initial engagement profile (if your using an active setup). Last the Fess can't use all 4 damage types which can be huge and shouldn't be ignored.
So for me base and fitted - not on drugs or linked:
Speed - Fess Dmg Versatility - Jack Tank - Jack Neut Susceptibility - Fess Dmg Potential - edge to the Fess (really depends on your fit) Looks like it should be a can opener - toss up.
I'm by no means an expert, just speaking from my experiences. No matter what - fly for the experience and let your killboard be damned.
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Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2015.07.24 12:43:58 -
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Captn Balu wrote:Hello!
I-¦m pretty new in eve and i want to fly an T3 destroyer (mainly solo) in fw. I know that Svipul are very good for solo pvp, but i dont like them. i want to play confessor or jackdaw but i dont know what i should prefer for solo pvp.
I think they're both viable but fly quite differently. Just fit up a few and go try them out. Its the only way to know which one you prefer. If you want to know which one we all think you should prefer... the answer is clearly the Svipul.
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