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Harry Flowerpot
FREE BURRITO LTD.
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Posted - 2015.07.01 17:44:23 -
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The idea of C13 wormholes sounded nice in the beginning. But at the moment they seem to serve mainly as farming ground for Confessor pilots, while collecting Ore anomalies nobody wants. Would it make sense to change their mechanics? If yes, what would you suggest? |
Jezza McWaffle
No Vacancies
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Posted - 2015.07.01 18:25:14 -
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Delete all frig holes, they only serve Allah and Bob is displeased.
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.07.01 19:15:19 -
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At this point probably yes. You can then it into a normal shattered wormhole without the frig part.
Yaay!!!!
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Borsek
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2015.07.01 19:42:10 -
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We all said frig holes would mostly suck, and they do. Big whoop, wanna fight about it? |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
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Posted - 2015.07.01 19:59:27 -
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we cant mine ice from frigate sized holes LOLOLOL. this need be changed either develop very light weight mining barge for shattered wormholes or allow prospect/venture fit strip miners |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.07.02 01:46:47 -
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Yep. I would like to see C13's changed to a variety of C6-strength effects.
C6 Pulsar Worm + Burst fleets, anyone? C6 Magnetar Sentry Tristan fascism! (that's 160 DPS btw ) C6 Black Hole jackdaw hegemony (soon with the missile computers....250km firing light missiles!). C6 Cat RR navitas dominance ( 6 navi's = 750 DPS RR tank!) C6 RG smartbomb coercer hoo-hah (128 DPS, 960 alpha to 6km!), or OH Rail Cormorant/hecate burner gank fleets.
Instead, it's all Confessor farms. Boooring. Zzzzzz.
Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob
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Harry Flowerpot
FREE BURRITO LTD.
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Posted - 2015.07.02 16:37:32 -
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Trinkets friend wrote: C6 RG smartbomb coercer hoo-hah (128 DPS, 960 alpha to 6km!)
Sounds fun. Do you have a fit? |
Viggo Konstanin
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.07.02 18:14:13 -
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Harry Flowerpot wrote:Trinkets friend wrote: C6 RG smartbomb coercer hoo-hah (128 DPS, 960 alpha to 6km!)
Sounds fun. Do you have a fit?
Please don't encourage him like this.
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.07.03 01:58:26 -
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128 DPs, but 960 alpha with a 6km radius, and 31K EHP versus its own bombs. So you'd be fine using up to, say, 15 of these for blitzkrieg bombing runs. At 3.5M a pop you'd tackle something, hold it with webs, and warp your gang on top of the hapless foe.
or just camp the wormhole / bubble. Maybe fit a cloak and lurk a relic can / pot plant, and wait for victims.
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Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob
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Winthorp
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Posted - 2015.07.03 06:52:52 -
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Jezza McWaffle wrote:Delete all frig holes, they only serve Allah and Bob is displeased.
^This.
I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's".
Please note i don't engage in any meaningful discussion with NPC alts, nut up or shut up...
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GizzyBoy
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2015.07.03 07:24:57 -
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Winthorp wrote:Jezza McWaffle wrote:Delete all frig holes, they only serve Allah and Bob is displeased. ^This.
meh frig holes are great, if you dont like them dont jump through them.
They helped us once, and caused some issues a second time, while 50/50 its still positive for the game having annoying small holes people cant close. and are thus to lazy to jump through and scan out. |
Jezza McWaffle
No Vacancies
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Posted - 2015.07.03 17:18:08 -
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I've only found them useful for unsuspecting ganking, otherwise if you go fight you have no escalation option beyond bring more numbers, so if your enemy out ships you then it sucks.
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Chainsstyle Arnerette
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2015.07.03 23:18:21 -
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Frig holes still deter effortless cap escalations as it allows bomber fleets to slip in. I personally dont mind them. |
Digits Kho
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.04 09:54:55 -
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Chainsstyle Arnerette wrote:Frig holes still deter effortless cap escalations as it allows bomber fleets to slip in. I personally dont mind them. Last time we did that in a bomber fleet they warped in something like 5 carriers to help the caps and subcaps that were alrdy on field. All these balls just cos they knew / found out it was a frig hole and a pack of bombers would never break such reps. So yes ccp delete frig holes pls thx |
Arthur Direction
I Accidentally Basilisks
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Posted - 2015.07.04 13:39:43 -
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100% delete the damn frig holes. Worst thing that happened to WH space was making every darn WH in the game a freeway intersection for Asteros and Herons. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.07.04 14:16:23 -
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It was a try at a concept, but they are just too few and too scattered to be of any use.
Other things have to change prior to frig hole changes.
Yaay!!!!
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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2015.07.04 18:17:46 -
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Before the frig wormholes, a small group of people would be able to take on a larger group's home wormhole, by collapsing them out while they are carebearing/roaming in the static/incoming wh's. Frigate wormholes combined with fozzie interceptors removed that option (if you are lucky/unlucky that one has spawned). What is the point of wasting hours/days on focusing to collapse out/pod enemies, if they can easily come back through a frigate wormhole.
All wormholes should be able to be collapsed, even if it takes 20 toons multiple hours to do so, otherwise you are just taking yet another perk of wormhole space (wh control) out of the game.
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Freekytoes
Team Pizza Good at this Game
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:43:49 -
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A lot of you are looking at this through the eyes of PVP and fight escalations. I don't think that's the point of frig holes.
Frigate holes are ideal for manufacturing, gas refining (drugs/tech III) and mining. The sites provide easily enough cash to keep a medium tower or two running without fear of the moros popping over for a stront check. Wormholes are also a hell of a lot safer than k-space (in my opinion). As soon as you can fly a drake (ish), the game really opens up for you.
It's also a nice jumping off point for exploration.
The added bonus is that it's a gateway drug to the higher class wormholes.
You may enjoy those aspects of the game but they are aspects. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:33:41 -
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Freekytoes wrote:A lot of you are looking at this through the eyes of PVP and fight escalations. I don't think that's the point of frig holes.
Frigate holes are ideal for manufacturing, gas refining (drugs/tech III) and mining. The sites provide easily enough cash to keep a medium tower or two running without fear of the moros popping over for a stront check. Wormholes are also a hell of a lot safer than k-space (in my opinion). As soon as you can fly a drake (ish), the game really opens up for you.
It's also a nice jumping off point for exploration.
The added bonus is that it's a gateway drug to the higher class wormholes.
You may not enjoy those aspects of the game but they are aspects.
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Yaay!!!!
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.07.07 00:30:51 -
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What's his alliance named again?
Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob
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Zappity
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
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Posted - 2015.07.07 06:46:04 -
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Freekytoes wrote:A lot of you are looking at this through the eyes of PVP and fight escalations. I don't think that's the point of frig holes.
Frigate holes are ideal for manufacturing, gas refining (drugs/tech III) and mining. The sites provide easily enough cash to keep a medium tower or two running without fear of the moros popping over for a stront check. Wormholes are also a hell of a lot safer than k-space (in my opinion). As soon as you can fly a drake (ish), the game really opens up for you.
It's also a nice jumping off point for exploration.
The added bonus is that it's a gateway drug to the higher class wormholes.
You may not enjoy those aspects of the game but they are aspects. Very sensible.
But you are clearly not welcome in wormhole space - you speak of "exploration" and "mining" and "industry". For did you not hear Bob's first commandment? "Thou shalt do nothing in thy wormhole other than PvP. And if you do do something else it had damn well better be in private."
And his second commandment was, "And nothing must change in my realm. Ever again. Especially new things and different."
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.07.07 07:27:13 -
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Ooh. Wingspanner! Did you stare at the forums for 30 minutes before deciding to post?
Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob
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Zappity
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:03:55 -
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At least an hour.
I quite like that noun, 'Wingspsnner'. I tool of dubious use and efficacy! Well, certainly describes me :)
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:11:32 -
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In Pulsars atleast, their sigbloom makes flying a frigate completely pointless. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.07.08 01:03:34 -
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I would argue that C13's with C6 level W-R is equally pointless because Talwar, for instance. 750DPS with explosion radius buff and a TP...4600 salvoes. You can instapop most foes and run away from the others.
if not, what's the point in flying, eg, a gank hecate? With 2400 DPS, if you lock your enemy half a second late, you die.
I would actually be interested to see the stats on C13 PVP.
We tend not to bother, after learning lessons vs gank Eris where a plated Vengeance instapopped. You deploy Talwars, Jackdaws, and see if your enemy is dumb enough to have a prop mod running and not be aligned. if so, you win. If not, he just warps out and cloaks up and everyone loses.
it's not worth fighting in C13's because you die so fast. If you spend 90M on a Svipul and die in 3 seconds, why not spend 220M on a Raven and die just as pointlessly over the course of 90 seconds? Clearly more bang for your buck.
it's just as stupid having a Wormh in a Pulsar or a sentry tristan magnetar doctrine, or grid-firing black hole jackdaws.
Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2015.07.08 16:49:29 -
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The only negative about c13s is that there is no depth, it they spawned other c13 statics, and a single frig size wormhole static plus a kspace , Then one could go down a c13 CHAIN with only what you carry for an expedition, and with things to find,discover, and see, you would have a whole new breed of wormholer. As it is it misses the mark.
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Sanders Schmittlaub
New Jovian Exploration Department A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.07.24 16:44:40 -
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Idea: Very intersting. Execution: Not so great.
C6 bonuses in frigate-only wormholes make PvP engagements far too short and PvE far too easy, albeit a lot of fun.
I like the idea enough where I won't toss my support in the 'remove it' camp, but I will support the 'needs work' camp.
Remove ice sites from them (nothing to mine them with), probably remove ore sites as well since every C13 has about twenty of them that never get used due to their massive. Either completely remove them or give each system a hard cap on number of ore sites (I recommend two or three). Change the system effect strength to match the size of sites in the system, or maybe make it one wormhole class higher. It won't fix them completely but would be a small step in the right direction. |
Dalts
Carling Corporation
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Posted - 2015.08.05 22:46:52 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:The only negative about c13s is that there is no depth, it they spawned other c13 statics, and a single frig size wormhole static plus a kspace , Then one could go down a c13 CHAIN with only what you carry for an expedition, and with things to find,discover, and see, you would have a whole new breed of wormholer. As it is it misses the mark.
Genius idea!
C13s are great fun for the lol dps from a confessor, though not found any PVP when I've been in one. Would be interesting if they had a number of static C13, so you got a highway of them as referenced above. |
Jayze Severasse
Divided by Zer0
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Posted - 2015.08.05 23:06:59 -
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The better question....Why do all the Eve Vets think all new content is for them?
C13s are clearly for newbs....or vets that want easy kills.
Mouth - Silver spoon
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Tim Nering
R3d Fire
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Posted - 2015.08.05 23:11:21 -
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im really disappointed with how wormholers have reacted to thera and frig holes since the hyperion update. We all live in wspace and very few corps have even taken the time to come up with frig doctrines to deal with frig holes. I mean really... how hard is it to get some frig logi and dps frigs and go pvp with a frig doctrine? You realize you can totally kill ppl with a good frig doctrine right?
NOW TO BE FAIR: frig holes are pretty annoying at times because we go in to someones home with frigs they drop t3s and when we jump back they come through with frigs and WE drop t3s (if they even come at all)..... doesn't work. This is really more a player issue anyway. But here at r3d fire we have adopted the "whatever fuk it" policy and just... fight t3s with enyos anyway. If we take one mentally challenged loki to hell with us... gg.
The other thing is thera. So much complaining for a wormhole meta that is very unique in new eden. Lots of null roaming, and communities formed there and apparently we are too good for it? <.< If you guys are so furious with how our null connections got cut, ever consider going on eve scout and connecting your chain to thera via close kspaces? adapt or die. You are usually always less than 10j from thera. like right now r3d fire is 4j from thera and we have it marked on siggy how to get there.
as far as c13s, no it doesn't appeal to us high class dwellers. But it is REALLY appealing to others. particularly the very quiet nomadic wormholers. I have some of them mailing me asking for entrances to c13s. i find and lead them in when i find a good one. Also i dont buy the "oh its just for farming so it should be deleted". LOL ever heard of c6 space?
Things that are actually totally screwed up: 1. why are there ice belts in frig wormhole systems? did nobody at ccp even think this through? 2. c13 pvp is instapop vs instapop.. ugh forget it.
Things that wormholers need to adapt to: 1. fly some damn (not t3 dessie) frig doctrines. you might actually have fun *gasp* 2. would it kill you to solo slicer roam out of the frig null? no. maybe a little cruor + succ roam? idk ffs have fun! jesus....
sometimes i feel like im the only person who likes this game |
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