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Rannz
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.05 21:46:20 -
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I played Eve back in 2010 and then for a bit in 2012. I stopped and now getting the itch to come back to play.
As with the other time I tried to re-energize myself for Eve, I am in the dark of what to do. I have scoured the internet, Youtube, the forums, etc. to get a handle of all of the things that I could do and I am just not sure what direction to take or how to get started. That is probably why I end up only staying for a month or two and then leaving.
My goal has always been to earn enough ISK per month to get things I want, and pay for my playing time with PLEX. I'm not clear if I can do this with between 5-10 hours a week of playing time. If not, then I am fine paying real cheddar to play but first and foremost I would like to have fun (everyone's goal I assume). So here in lies my uncertainty. Mine, Explore, Combat or PvP. Early on I think I was training for combat, but along the way after joining a Corp, I decided to go the route of a salvager. I lost interest after a month and quit playing again. I do like the combat portion of the game but I am not sure how to start my career doing it, and during the training process, how to earn the ISK to progress. I would like to continue to use this pilot if I can and haven't screwed up my skills. I have over 500M ISK and 7.5M skill points (obviously spent).
So I guess I am looking for any helpful information, or well done tutorials for pursuing a career path in Eve. From what I read, mining sounds profitable, but it also sounds a little boring for me. Like I mentioned I do enjoy the PVE combat I have done, is PVP more fun and profitable? I also like the idea of doing exploration.
Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated. |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.07.05 22:44:42 -
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If you're looking to earn enough profit to PLEX your account, I highly recommend exploration of wormhole space and running the null sec relic/data sites in lower class wormholes. They can net you a large amount of high value salvage and materials that can be sold back in high sec. Your biggest concern then will be avoiding other players while doing so, so you'll need a scan ship with a cloak fit to it or a cov ops that can warp about cloaked. There are some good guides to it on youtube, and I'm sure other people here have even more ideas to help you out. Good luck!
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
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Belesia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
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Posted - 2015.07.05 23:00:39 -
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I fell in love with both solo frigate pvp and exploration. At the moment (for the past year infact) i've been very much involved with exploration. But dispite all the content on offer such as, anomalies, escalatons, unrated sites, ded sites, ghost sites, sleeper caches and data/relic sites, the most engaging part of my play is from colaborating with other explorers.
I offer 20% of profit as a finders fee to other explorers that find Sleeper Caches for example. I've handed over 20-50 million to week old players before and now I have quite a few players who feed me co-ords for Sleeper Caches. I get mails and private messages all the time about them. So in essence what i'm trying to say is the more social you are in any given career path that you choose, the more fun or engaging and rewarding experience you will have. Thus keeping you playing for much longer than your previous stints.
Make sure you join several public channels pertaining to whatever it is you are doing as well. There's nothing better than to have things to read and perhaps even chime in or ask more experienced players while you are playing. Worst case, have help chat open, there's always something to read and chances are you will learn a thing or two.
If you fancy getting more involved with exploration feel free to contact me in game for help or advice, and be sure to join the "Scanning" channel. There's plenty of competent explorers of all the content on offer hanging out there. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1206
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Posted - 2015.07.05 23:26:17 -
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hacking exploration will be where you can make the most money with least sp invested.
Once you get better combat skills you can start running lower end DED sites for chances at rare drops.
You can make consistent good money if you head to null sec and join a renter corp, however this is extraordinarily mind-numbing and most likely will make you quit again |
Ramshack Z
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.05 23:40:19 -
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If you want combat there are currently more avenues than ever to quickly join the ranks of a pvp organization. Just as important, they'll pretty much shower you with free stuff from skillbooks to ships and you will rarely hurt for isk so long as you're participating in corp operations. Just take a gander at the EVE subreddit to see some of the flagship newbie organizations. They're all in the side-bar. |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
161
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Posted - 2015.07.06 00:12:43 -
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People will tell you lots of ways to earn the ISK for PLEX every month plus whatever you want to fly, and I am sure most of them are viable. But in the end, there's still a chance it will take away from your enjoyment of the game. Not only are the most ways to reliably get ISK rather boring, it will also put you under pressure to log in, when you don't want to or to grind when you would rather like to go and shoot some guys, just so your account won't run out. Being able to comfortably sustain your account takes some getting established (or luck), otherwise it can burn you out rather quickly. |
Ramshack Z
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2015.07.06 01:01:27 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Being able to comfortably sustain your account takes some getting established (or luck), otherwise it can burn you out rather quickly.
This is a very good point. It's tempting to try and grind out the isk, but turning EVE into a really low-paying job is a bad idea. Low effort isk gets much easier with experience so perhaps put that goal on the back burner for a few months while you get established. |
Rannz
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.06 01:27:31 -
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Thanks all for the tips. Much appreciated.
I tend to agree that trying to force myself to grind for the ISK to buy a PLEX every month might be counter-productive to having fun playing the game.
I might put that on the back burner for a while, like Ramzhack suggested. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1997
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Posted - 2015.07.06 02:58:21 -
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Isn't having so many choices of what to do a nice "problem" to have? I really like that about EvE. Welcome back, hope you stay around for some time.
When a thing has been said and well, have no scruple. Take it and copy it.
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A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1248
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Posted - 2015.07.06 03:15:55 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Isn't having so many choices of what to do a nice "problem" to have? I really like that about EvE. Welcome back, hope you stay around for some time.
I hate it, because then I never know what I want to do
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
10730
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Posted - 2015.07.06 03:44:05 -
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Yeah plex prices too high now anyway. Take a subscription block, go out and hunt those grinding for plex. Once they fail to farm enough isk for plex and are forced to quit EVE, plex prices could go down and then be more affordable for you. A likely fun process to keep you enthralled. |
Do Little
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
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Posted - 2015.07.06 11:58:07 -
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Anything you choose to do in Eve will be more enjoyable if you do it with friends. If you are considering a career in exploration - be sure to check out https://www.eve-scout.com/signal-cartel/
To PLEX your account in 10 hours/week requires 25 million ISK/hour - easily achievable by level 4 missions, industry or exploration - you can make more than that exploring in high-sec if you can run the DED 3/10 and 4/10 combat sites you'll find. You can also multi-task, combining an activity that requires concentration (exploration) with one that doesn't (industry).
Industry has the advantage that it is "hands off" once a job has been submitted - your labs and factories will continue to invent and manufacture while you are sleeping, or at work. The finished goods you take to market will also continue to sell while you are doing other things. Skills like scientific networking and supply chain management will let you deliver and submit jobs remotely - perhaps while you are running a mission. If it's something you find interesting, you could start by manufacturing T1 rigs and mobile structures. Rigs in particular don't require a lot of skill and are a good way to learn the market.
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
697
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Posted - 2015.07.06 20:42:45 -
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Join a corporation with people you're actually willing to talk to, and do what they do.
Even losing hard in a group is much more fun than being 100% win rate or whatever solo. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
2343
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:22:41 -
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Rannz wrote:I played Eve back in 2010 and then for a bit in 2012. I stopped and now getting the itch to come back to play. ... So I guess I am looking for any helpful information, or well done tutorials for pursuing a career path in Eve. From what I read, mining sounds profitable, but it also sounds a little boring for me. Like I mentioned I do enjoy the PVE combat I have done, is PVP more fun and profitable? I also like the idea of doing exploration.
Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated. Hai Rannz,
First piece of advice I would give is to never get on the ISK grinding hamster wheel. If you can purchase PLEX and sell them for ISK to fund your activities to begin, you can fast-track to doing what you might enjoy, not what meets ISK grind max/min projections. Later on down the road if you are in a good null sov holding alliance, grinding becomes viable and not the ballache it typically is.
Second piece of advice is definitely include PVP in your goals. As time goes on, you get better at it, play with other good players in a good corp or alliance, and subsequently lose fewer ships. One way to experiment with it (in the comfort of hisec) is described here, as you search in parallel for a good corp & dudes to join up with. Other good learning avenues before going full-losec or nullsec, would be to join a hisec mercenary corp..as found in the C&P section. Many elitists pooh-pooh hisec asshattery as a means to learn pvp, but I found it very enjoyable a way to learn mechanics while also reducing personal losses.
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Rannz
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:26:33 -
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Thanks for the additional advice.
I decided that I am going to try my hand at exploring for a bit. I guess nothing is restricting me from also dabbling in mid-sec combat missions as well (SP used wisely I assume). Do Little, you mentioned being able to run the DED 3/10 missions solo....doable in a Magnate?
I'm going to monitor the recruitment channel for a while and see if I can't find a laid back corp to fellowship with.
Thanks again, all of the advice and info is greatly appreciated. |
Rannz
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:29:08 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:[quote=Rannz] Second piece of advice is definitely include PVP in your goals. As time goes on, you get better at it, play with other good players in a good corp or alliance, and subsequently lose fewer ships. One way to experiment with it (in the comfort of hisec) is described here, as you search in parallel for a good corp & dudes to join up with. Other good learning avenues before going full-losec or nullsec, would be to join a hisec mercenary corp..as found in the C&P section. Many elitists pooh-pooh hisec asshattery as a means to learn pvp, but I found it very enjoyable a way to learn mechanics while also reducing personal losses. F
Thanks Feyd, that sounds very interesting. I'll make sure to check it out. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 16:48:14 -
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Highsec PVP is not for the faint of heart, much waiting and disappointment are involved. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
2343
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Posted - 2015.07.07 19:55:09 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Highsec PVP is not for the faint of heart, much waiting and disappointment are involved. Sure, but the benefit is you get to learn while still getting dank frags (and minimizing loses). I think the risk v reward ratio is much better in hisec, and you can also fly *good* stuff -- instead of just endlessly trading cheap T1's tit-for-tat in RvB, FW or losec/null roams (as a newbro).
p.s. This can provide further insights for those progressing from Mission-Flipping into Merccing.
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Remi Renaud
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 21:09:09 -
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I jumped straight into faction warfare as a new character, and branched out into exploration as a way of taking a break from pvp.
IMO, faction warfare is the most accessible form of pvp for new players as you're free to go solo or find a fleet, and most players fly frigates, dessies, and cruisers at the most to minimize expenses. The plexes give you enough income to pay for your ships, although like the others have mentioned, I wouldn't advise grinding them for PLEX money as that would just suck all the fun out of it.
Some people might advise having an alt to haul and purchase stuff for your main character, but I do it all on my main as having enemy militia pilots flying around in hi-sec is no worse than having a war dec going on and allows you to develop good habits in traveling to and fro. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.08 00:05:23 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Highsec PVP is not for the faint of heart, much waiting and disappointment are involved. Sure, but the benefit is you get to learn while still getting dank frags (and minimizing loses). I think the risk v reward ratio is much better in hisec, and you can also fly *good* stuff -- instead of just endlessly trading cheap T1's tit-for-tat in RvB, FW or losec/null roams (as a newbro). p.s. This can provide further insights for those progressing from Mission-Flipping into Merccing. F Once upon a time when the cost was much, much lower and people we slightly less dedicated to not ever trying to fight back I would have recommended it, but right now I don't, at least not for the super new. |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10643
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Posted - 2015.07.08 01:25:52 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Highsec PVP is not for the faint of heart, much waiting and disappointment are involved. Sure, but the benefit is you get to learn while still getting dank frags (and minimizing loses). I think the risk v reward ratio is much better in hisec, and you can also fly *good* stuff -- instead of just endlessly trading cheap T1's tit-for-tat in RvB, FW or losec/null roams (as a newbro). p.s. This can provide further insights for those progressing from Mission-Flipping into Merccing. F Once upon a time when the cost was much, much lower and people we slightly less dedicated to not ever trying to fight back I would have recommended it, but right now I don't, at least not for the super new. im inclined to agree, the gratification is definitely there there but some(read lots) patience is required
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.08 14:39:13 -
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It's also a thing that can suddenly and unexpectedly go from being very easy to being absolute nightmare mode. One minute your major obstacle is trying to catch some elusive mission runner, 4 hours later there's 5 flashing red Break-a-wish T3s swooping out of nowhere and oh crap this mining barge has me pointed. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
922
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:06:03 -
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be whatever you want to be unless you can be a pirate, then always be a pirate
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10643
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:17:17 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:It's also a thing that can suddenly and unexpectedly go from being very easy to being absolute nightmare mode. One minute your major obstacle is trying to catch some elusive mission runner or miner, 4 hours later there's 5 flashing red Break-a-wish T3s swooping out of nowhere and oh crap this mining barge has me pointed.
People who haven't ever done a highsec war have the mistaken idea that they are entirely trivial, low risk activities, in reality you often end up putting way more on the line than you would by dropping a t1 frig into lowsec and you have to work much harder for each kill. Most people don't have the patience for it and many others get put off when their pride and joy pvp t3 or faction battleship gets blown up by an ally they didn't notice joined their war.
Highsec warfare really isn't something everyone is going to like. But like anything it is worth a try. Personally it's the only thing in the game I really consistently enjoy. Hahaha yes, that's essentially it. Last time we decked galactic whatever (never can remember the name) for some pocos to shoot , marmite allied and came for us with a 15 man t3 fleet with logi and boosters, Tora himself present, the lot of them hidden in some arse end system 3 jump out from our target waiting for us to start moving. there were 4 of us online...
Luckily we scouted thoroughly and found them before moving, well I say luckily , obviously we thought something might be up and checked where the suspicions amoound of unaccounted for marmites actually were.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:28:12 -
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Galactic Skyfleet Empire and the infamous Merc Coalition mess.
What's funny is that GSE were essentially scamming the living hell put of all the merc coalition members who were apparently to mathematically challenged to notice that they were basically protecting GSE for pocket change.
Incidentally now that RVB is basically dead POCOs may soon be up for grabs to anyone who can put up a 20 man fleet. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.08 15:33:51 -
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Some people like sitting alone on a quiet lake, occasionally casting their line out. Or like golf, where its 90% crap shots (for me) and that one beautiful shot that brings you back out next time... That's mission-flipping in a nutshell. If you like fishing or golf you might come to love it, especially if you enjoy crafting your own lures or experimenting with different types of bait. Its a personality-driven thing. When you do get a big fish on the line and have to fight it into the boat, there's nothing like it; and when that monster 300lb swordfish is lying at the bottom of your little rowboat you ask "did I really just do that?"...
I found a mix of the two was a sweet spot though, chasing merc targets using wardecs when targets would give a fight (or oblivious to danger..), and mission-flipping when things were slow. Another possible mix would be to join Marmite to get 'free' wardecs against 50% of EvE at any given time, while also mission flipping on the side when you want some quiet fishing.
That's the beauty of EvE though, there isn't a 'right' answer -- its about aligning your personality type to activities *you* find fun. My key message is thus though...
- No other activity in EvE is as gratifying as shooting another player in the face - You don't have to go to losec or nullsec to do it - Being social in EvE is THE most important thing. Join a corp, make friends (and enemies...thats fun too) :)
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Rannz
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:55:40 -
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I like golf. :)
I guess the thing I didn't realize when playing before is that there are so many things I could try my hand at until I find something that I really enjoy.
I do see the value in hooking up with other players though. The most fun I have had in the game has been when I was with a corp that had similar play styles to mine.
I'll make sure to heed all of the advice, make some friends........and enemies. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.08 23:38:15 -
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Just remember. There's someone out there that you really, really want to blow up. You just haven't met the guy yet. |
Freya Sertan
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
285
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Posted - 2015.07.08 23:39:38 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Just remember. There's someone out there that you really, really want to blow up. You just haven't met the guy yet.
But when you do, you both will know. Immediately.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.09 13:28:56 -
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And that is why you must hang with like-minded bros. When you find that one guy who absolutely must explode, you tell your bros why he must explode and they will agree.
Then you will all conspire together and that one dude has no god damned idea what he got himself into. |
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