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Marlin Spikes
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.05 22:03:49 -
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As IGÇÖm lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.
A few minutes later, I couldnGÇÖt believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?
My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)
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Leto Thule
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.05 22:10:02 -
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Marlin Spikes wrote:As IGÇÖm lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.
A few minutes later, I couldnGÇÖt believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?
My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)
I blame the interface/tutorial.
This happened to me long, long ago. Nobody ever told me how to warp without autopilot. So, that's what I did.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2015.07.05 23:41:12 -
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Marlin Spikes wrote:train your newbies. They are our future :)
You're clearly a newbie-hater. :)
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.07.06 00:37:27 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Marlin Spikes wrote:As IGÇÖm lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.
A few minutes later, I couldnGÇÖt believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?
My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)
I blame the interface/tutorial. This happened to me long, long ago. Nobody ever told me how to warp without autopilot. So, that's what I did.
I once did the SoE arc on autopilot.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 16:34:16 -
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Marlin Spikes wrote:As IGÇÖm lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.
A few minutes later, I couldnGÇÖt believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?
My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)
Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
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Posted - 2015.07.06 22:44:12 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Marlin Spikes wrote:As IGÇÖm lazily sitting on my ping cloaked watching CODE do what CODE does, a one-day-old war target lands 15km off the gate in a noob ship. As it accelerates towards the gate, I warp down to greet him. Blapped and podded for auto-piloting during a war. Yes I know, sounds like high-sec problems. Feeling like I accomplished a lot for the day, I re-cloaked on the gate and picked up my bag of cheetos.
A few minutes later, I couldnGÇÖt believe my eyes. The same red-blinking pilot still flying in an noob ship lands 15km off the gate (auto-piloting of course). Turns out, no one took the time to teach this pilot how to navigate or avoid war targets. We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him?
My point....train your newbies. They are our future :)
Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not. a) pop all the things. always.
b) if he's really a trunoob, pop him first then take the time to explain to him what happens. also tell him that his ceo will make up for his loss, because - well, that's what a corp is for, no?
c) but yeah - pop all the things. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.06 23:07:50 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not. I'm an evil war lord ! And if I want to SRP war target newbies we just shot, I shall enforce my isks upon him. If he wants it or not !!
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - DELETE THE WEAK , ADAPT OR DIE !
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1186
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Posted - 2015.07.07 00:27:02 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote: Sorry, was the character one day old, or the wardec one day old? Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 01:29:09 -
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Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: a) pop all the things. always.
b) if he's really a trunoob, pop him first then take the time to explain to him what happened. also tell him that his ceo will make up for his loss, because - well, that's what a corp is for, no?
c) but yeah - pop all the things.
dude, you do realize f*cking with actual newbies is not allowed by CCP, right? we can't complain about not getting enough players in the game and poor NPE and then pop one day old toons who don't understand the game yet. Go gank someone who at least knows what an afterburner is, for christ sake.
Gank, by all means, but don't be an a**hole about it to true newbies. If CCP finds out you are doing that, bad things will happen. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 01:30:40 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: a) pop all the things. always.
b) if he's really a trunoob, pop him first then take the time to explain to him what happened. also tell him that his ceo will make up for his loss, because - well, that's what a corp is for, no?
c) but yeah - pop all the things.
dude, you do realize f*cking with actual newbies is not allowed by CCP, right? we can't complain about not getting enough players and then pop one day old toons who don't understand the game yet. Gank, by all means, but don't be an a**hole about it to true newbies. If CCP finds out you are doing that, bad things will happen. No
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 01:35:58 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote: No
Um, yes, in response to asking what is a rookie:
GM Homonoia wrote: We are not going to define them. We say 8 days, someone will target 9 day old people. Again, spirit of the rule, not the letter. If you find yourself trying to figure out specifically where we draw the line you are obviously targeting rookies, which is NOT allowed. You decide to do this, you will find out where the line is when we warn you.
If you're specifically targeting newbies, you need to take a step back and have your head examined. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 01:53:14 -
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Allow me to elaborate
Quote:dude, you do realize f*cking with actual newbies is not allowed by CCP, right? we can't complain about not getting enough players and then pop one day old toons who don't understand the game yet. ******* with newbies is not only allowed its actively encouraged in this game in all areas except a specific set of new bro systems ( to allow them to get a basic grasp of mechanics) Personally I pop newbros all the time and unless they decide to be dicks about it generally they get a replaced ship and a suggestion of corps to join (if they are in some terrible one that doesn't help newbros)
Quote:If you're specifically targeting newbies, you need to take a step back and have your head examined. CCP has proof that killing newbros is infact good for retention. One would assume those who take their time to help these new players get into eve should be given praise not implied they are unstable.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 01:59:43 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote: ******* with newbies is not only allowed its actively encouraged in this game in all areas except a specific set of new bro systems ( to allow them to get a basic grasp of mechanics) Personally I pop newbros all the time and unless they decide to be dicks about it generally they get a replaced ship and a suggestion of corps to join (if they are in some terrible one that doesn't help newbros)
I wasn't responding to you. Did the guy I was talking to offer replacement ships? Not at all. Was just popping a day old toon for sh*ts and giggles. That's completely different than what you are talking about.
Stay away from anyone not even though the career missions and the SOE arc. After that, I agree with you 100%. People not through the career missions don't even know how to warp to a gate. They get popped, that's being a ****. Popping the month old guy and then giving him a ship I completely support
Quote: CCP has proof that killing newbros is infact good for retention. One would assume those who take their time to help these new players get into eve should be given praise not implied they are unstable.
Care to give any proof for that? |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 02:26:01 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote: I wasn't responding to you. Did the guy I was talking to offer replacement ships? Not at all. Was just popping a day old toon for sh*ts and giggles. That's completely different than what you are talking about.
Marlin Spikes wrote:We had to take the time out of our busy lives to teach this guy how to get out of system. Yes, we could have let him go, but what would that have taught him? I'll just leave that here
Petre en Thielles wrote: Stay away from anyone not even though the career missions and the SOE arc. After that, I agree with you 100%. People not through the career missions don't even know how to warp to a gate. They get popped, that's being a ****. Popping the month old guy and then giving him a ship I completely support
If they are competent enough to join a corp they are competent enough to get shot at. Bare in mind this happened in A a pipe and B under wardec Failing this B trumps newbro status. You can take my word for that as proving it is a forum rule violation
Petre en Thielles wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote: CCP has proof that killing newbros is infact good for retention
Care to give any proof for that? It doesn't surprise me that you pop newbies. Easy, mindless kills wiithout a fight is what HS mercs live for, isn't it? Of course I can. I would be you if I couldn't spitting out nonsense. Link Enjoy
No we live for the tears that people like you generate in our local chats, mail boxes and forum sections
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.07.07 02:33:15 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote: I wasn't responding to you. Did the guy I was talking to offer replacement ships? Not at all. Was just popping a day old toon for sh*ts and giggles. That's completely different than what you are talking about.
op stated said newbie was a war target, as such said newbie is a legit target regardless of age; any criticism should be aimed at the people who recruited them for failing at responsible recruiting and making sure that newbies they recruit are taken care of.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1192
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Posted - 2015.07.07 02:43:26 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Marmite took better care of the newbie than the corp that recruited him did.
Sadly this is a daily occurrence. I often have week old players asking how they can join us because in my 20 min conversation they learned more then the 3 days they had been in xyz corp. I politely direct them to eve uni normally but it makes me sad all these 5% corp tax corps recruiting en masse for their own gains. Surely a CCP study needs to be done on player retention of this kind of activity.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.07.07 02:52:48 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Marmite took better care of the newbie than the corp that recruited him did.
Sadly this is a daily occurrence. I often have week old players asking how they can join us because in my 20 min conversation they learned more then the 3 days they had been in xyz corp. I politely direct them to eve uni normally but it makes me sad all these 5% corp tax corps recruiting en masse for their own gains. Surely a CCP study needs to be done on player retention of this kind of activity. Not shocked tbh, there's plenty of corps out there that shouldn't exist, let alone recruiting newbies.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 02:54:41 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote: I'll just leave that here
because he is one day into the game. Do you remember how insane it was your first month in EVE? Take time to help them, not kill them for the lols.
Quote: If they are competent enough to join a corp they are competent enough to get shot at. Bare in mind this happened in A a pipe and B under wardec Failing this B trumps newbro status. You can take my word for that as proving it is a forum rule violation
Are you really this ignorant? Do you realize how many people start convos with newbies asking them to join a corp? A huge chunk of newbros join simply because someone asked.
Again, stop getting your jollies off shooting day old players, FFS
Quote:Of course I can. I would be you if I couldn't spitting out nonsense. Link Enjoy No we live for the tears that people like you generate in our local chats, mail boxes and forum sections
Care to summarize? I'm not watching a 36 minute video for the sake of a forum conversation.
I'm not talking for myself. I have lived in HS for two months in the three years I have played EVE. I'm not that much of a bear that I enjoy blapping people who don't fight back....
Do you honestly not see the issue with shooting players who are one day in the game? Hang out in rookie chat for a few days and see what kind of questions they ask. You might gain some sympathy.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:OP stated said newbie was a war target, as such said newbie is a legit target regardless of age; any criticism should be aimed at the people who recruited them for failing at responsible recruiting and making sure that newbies they recruit are taken care of.
Marmite took better care of the newbie than the corp that recruited him did.
And I'm just saying take it easy on new players. Give them a month or so to learn to ropes. If you are shooting two day old players who haven't even finished the career missions, you aren't helping anyone.
What is it with high sec mercs and their being afraid of fights? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.07.07 03:03:19 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:OP stated said newbie was a war target, as such said newbie is a legit target regardless of age; any criticism should be aimed at the people who recruited them for failing at responsible recruiting and making sure that newbies they recruit are taken care of.
Marmite took better care of the newbie than the corp that recruited him did. And I'm just saying take it easy on new players. Give them a month or so to learn to ropes. If you are shooting two day old players who haven't even finished the career missions, you aren't helping anyone. What is it with high sec mercs and their being afraid of fights? A: Nobody checks a war targets age before firing, that comes later. B: There's a 50/50 chance that a new character is an alt, there's a reason Eve is known as a game of alts.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 03:22:12 -
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Pretty much what Jonah said. If after detonation it turns out they have a good attitude and want to learn more then oftentimes a chat will happen.
However, if they are in a player corp and under wardec then there is no reasonable expectation for anyone NOT to shoot at them. You step out into the big boy world, you deal with big boy consequences.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1207
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Posted - 2015.07.07 03:33:37 -
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I'm not quoting all that allow me to just retort here briefly instead
1. Marlin did in fact help the newbro out and taught a valuable lesson in warping gate to gate via convo in case you need it all spelt out. 2. It was a noob ship... The lesson learnt could have been in a domi in 3 weeks time if we didn't do it now. This is one more reason shooting them while new is important 3. I was killed in my first month of playing (not my first month after making the account I wasn't wrapped enough with the game in my first week to pay but got convinced later) 4. I was invited to about a dozen corps in local and 2 via mail/convo. I ignored them all as joining some random group for no reason seemed pointless until somebody suggested apping to eve uni which I looked up and it seemed decent with little tax) 6. TLDR on video is that killing newbros is good for retention 7. I do hang out in rookie chat 8. At one month I was ready to quit eve it was only then that I was killed by a wardeccer in my then itty 2 carrying all that I owned -3 ships and thus swore bloody revenge on wardeccers (which I achieved). It got me involved in the game in a way that missions and training skills never could have.
In summary killing new players and helping them out after is Good for the game
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Marlin Spikes
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 09:23:35 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: a) pop all the things. always.
b) if he's really a trunoob, pop him first then take the time to explain to him what happened. also tell him that his ceo will make up for his loss, because - well, that's what a corp is for, no?
c) but yeah - pop all the things.
dude, you do realize f*cking with actual newbies is not allowed by CCP, right? we can't complain about not getting enough players in the game and poor NPE and then pop one day old toons who don't understand the game yet. Go gank someone who at least knows what an afterburner is, for christ sake. Gank, by all means, but don't be an a**hole about it to true newbies. If CCP finds out you are doing that, bad things will happen.
"ain't nobody got time for dat!" Pop first, then ask questions later.
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Marlin Spikes
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 09:38:00 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:
You might gain some sympathy....
...And I'm just saying take it easy on new players. Give them a month or so to learn to ropes. If you are shooting two day old players who haven't even finished the career missions, you aren't helping anyone.
What is it with high sec mercs and their being afraid of fights?
I helped. I replaced his rookie ship every time it popped. EVERY TIME!
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:39:08 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:Because no one should be popping one day old true newbies, wardec or not.
Well... depends. EVE is not a fair game, and is not designed to be, and this particular design is what is liked by many players that stay here.
I am a 3 month old player, have 2 characters (not 2 "alt", 2 characters becouse they live 2 completely and separate lives). I have been popped first time after 3 days of play, in a WH, then started a chat with the guy that popped my ship and him was so kinda gentle to bookmark for me the exit for my capsule. After the first pop I subscribed 6 month of game.
2 days later I was moving my base to lowsec, and headed first time in null. Popped on first gatecamp from low to null, 5 days old. The guys was so kinda gentle to chat me to stay in HS for a while until learn something. Learned how to filter the treath in the star map.
Well, 2 weeks later I moved definately to null, popped a couple times more in my probe, then not popped anymore, gate camps or not gate camps. Joined for a month a null corp, then left to make my own one man corp as I need to feel "free" to make more different experiences out of a corp.
In all the time I spent a lot of time, really a lot, reading on forums, google, guides, and so on. Then test what I was reading.
Surely a babysh behaviour (the classic "i pop noobs for the tears") from the ganker wont help the popped noob, but this will teach to the newbie that in this game there are many different kinds of ppl. Someone is more mature and a good mate to play with (even in opposite side) some others are just to evitate to play with when possible, becouse they are not playing "with" you or "teaching" you anything.
Could my experience be different if the guy in the WH had pop my capsule instead of show me the exit? Well, no. EVE is too much charming to leave it without a second try. And ships are pixels after all.
So, pop them, pop them all if you like, but the only way to teach them something is not just pop them. But talk them. |
Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:19:23 -
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Marlin Spikes wrote:"ain't nobody got time for dat!" Pop first, then ask questions later. Cannot be posted often enough. |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:28:10 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I'm not quoting all that allow me to just retort here briefly instead
1. Marlin did in fact help the newbro out and taught a valuable lesson in warping gate to gate via convo in case you need it all spelt out. 2. It was a noob ship... The lesson learnt could have been in a domi in 3 weeks time if we didn't do it now. This is one more reason shooting them while new is important 3. I was killed in my first month of playing (not my first month after making the account I wasn't wrapped enough with the game in my first week to pay but got convinced later) 4. I was invited to about a dozen corps in local and 2 via mail/convo. I ignored them all as joining some random group for no reason seemed pointless until somebody suggested apping to eve uni which I looked up and it seemed decent with little tax) 6. TLDR on video is that killing newbros is good for retention 7. I do hang out in rookie chat 8. At one month I was ready to quit eve it was only then that I was killed by a wardeccer in my then itty 2 carrying all that I owned -3 ships and thus swore bloody revenge on wardeccers (which I achieved). It got me involved in the game in a way that missions and training skills never could have.
In summary killing new players and helping them out after is Good for the game
In summary, you don't see the difference between popping a one day old character and popping a month old character. That is my point.
You were killed in your firth month of playing. So was everyone else. Being killed in your first month and being killed within a few hours of signing up for your first free trial are two completely different things, and should be treated that way.
EVE is a dangerous game. No one is safe, anywhere. I would argue that until a rookie is through the career missions at least, they should be off limits. That's all I am trying to say. There is a big difference between the month old rookie and the day old rookie. |
Tepijo ntepreoccupa
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:44:19 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote: EVE is a dangerous game. No one is safe, anywhere. I would argue that until a rookie is through the career missions at least, they should be off limits. That's all I am trying to say. There is a big difference between the month old rookie and the day old rookie.
This is not, and could never be, in hands of players, as they have different behaviours. It can be accomplished from CCP only, by design (i.e. invulnerability period of time etc.). |
Toxic Yaken
Amarr Squad
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:49:56 -
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So if I make an alt and don't finish the career missions, I can be off limits? Sweet.
But seriously, the first time I ever played, I joined a corporation on my first day that was at war with Cannibal Kane. He caught me in a venture on autopilot and popped me immediately. He asked me if I was new, gave me some tips, and a sweet reimbursement of 5m. Other people might react differently, but better to lose something small earlier on to understand ships are only tools seriously diminishes the impact of losing one. I'm not going to go to rookie mission systems to kill them, but if one happens upon me...
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:00:56 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:In summary, you don't see the difference between popping a one day old character and popping a month old character. That is my point. Our points are:
- The newbie was in a player corp that was at war.
- War targets are war targets, regardless of their age.
- Literally nobody checks the character age of a war target before engaging.
- The corp that the newbie was a part of is responsible for taking care of their newbies, especially in times of war; something that they failed to do.
Quote:You were killed in your firth month of playing. So was everyone else. Being killed in your first month and being killed within a few hours of signing up for your first free trial are two completely different things, and should be treated that way. You should make it your mission in Eve to make sure that newbies are aware of the nature of Eve, and the dangers contained therein if you feel so strongly about it.
Quote:EVE is a dangerous game. No one is safe, anywhere. Correct, and that includes newbies who join a corp that is at war.
Quote:I would argue that until a rookie is through the career missions at least, they should be off limits. They already are off-limits in the designated career agents missions and the SoE Arc start point.
Quote:That's all I am trying to say. There is a big difference between the month old rookie and the day old rookie. Many would argue that some people are rookies regardless of how long they've been playing.
TL;DR your entire point of view, in the context of this thread, appears to revolve around a much abused trope.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Think of the children arguments aren't just a trope, they're an established logical fallacy.
Is your point of view totally bizarre and nonsensical? Just make it about the children!
It should be noted also that new players aren't children, they're typically grown men who won't be emotionally devastated by having an Internet spaceship explode on them. |
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