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Mr Click
Mr Click Corp
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Posted - 2015.07.06 02:35:53 -
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Just like to know if anyone has a t1 frigate fit or some ideas (prefer mini or cal) for a setup for just hunting Tristans (non kite) in solo pvp.
Does not have to be able to do anything else other than tristans, so some kind of unusual fit would be fine.
Seems to be the only t1 frigate peeps fly where I hang out and I just keep dying to them. Thanks
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2015.07.06 04:06:13 -
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if you really want to completely demolish a frigate, the tool of choice is generally a destroyer.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
688
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Posted - 2015.07.06 06:05:22 -
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Mr Click wrote: Just like to know if anyone has a t1 frigate fit or some ideas (prefer mini or cal) for a setup for just hunting Tristans (non kite) in solo pvp.
Does not have to be able to do anything else other than tristans, so some kind of unusual fit would be fine.
Seems to be the only t1 frigate peeps fly where I hang out and I just keep dying to them. Thanks
A hard counter to the fit the tristan is currently using.
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Arla Sarain
534
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Posted - 2015.07.06 06:49:09 -
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Double rep nano incursus. Still a tough fight. |
Mr Click
Mr Click Corp
0
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Posted - 2015.07.06 07:13:48 -
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Thanks Aria. I'll give the incursus a go. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
131
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Posted - 2015.07.06 09:56:50 -
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Incursus is terrible to fight tristans, double rep even more so because it lacks the range control, not having a web. Tristans will just sit at 7kms and pummel you. Worst. Suggestion. Ever.
There's plenty of viable options to kill a non kite tristan really (if he's kite, even easier, just need something that can shoot far or something faster than him, really, or even just as fast and slingshot)
You just need more dps than him, his tank ain't nothing to write about.
Tormentor works great, if beam fit it simply murders it, pulses you get less dps (still more than him) but more tank. I'd say you simply can't lose to a tristan in it. Executioner works well as well, albeit a bit light on tank, might be a coin toss.
Atron works too, load void (watch for transversal), OH, approach, GG. Again, light tank so coin toss, also vulnerable if he's neut fit, but can disengage fast.
Merlin, double web to be sure you can get into optimal and pummel with void, again might be vulnerable if he's neut fit, but you can disengage easy. Kestrel, plate and 2 webs, rage rockets, orbit at 7kms and gg
Breacher, dual masb or masb + saar and rockets, tristan can't break that tank.
I won't even go into faction ships because it ain't even funny. |
George Gouillot
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
64
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Posted - 2015.07.06 11:11:07 -
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Mr Click wrote: Just like to know if anyone has a t1 frigate fit or some ideas (prefer mini or cal) for a setup for just hunting Tristans (non kite) in solo pvp.
Does not have to be able to do anything else other than tristans, so some kind of unusual fit would be fine.
Seems to be the only t1 frigate peeps fly where I hang out and I just keep dying to them. Thanks
Go to killboards, lookup solo Tristan losses, then lookup losses of the pilot who killed the Tristan. People tend to use similiar fittings (especially when successful). Use this as a base for your own fittings - do not simply copy them. |
Arla Sarain
536
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Posted - 2015.07.06 12:57:09 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote: snip
I had the impression he mentioned kite tristans. Incursuses do work.
But Atrons melt to tristans. Kite or not. |
Syrilian
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2015.07.06 13:22:03 -
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Anything that is fast and can kite can kill a tristan. In my experience, slicers and navy issue comets murder tristans. Also incursuses are pretty tough as well if fit and flown properly.
The tristan is not as OP as many think it is. |
Ahed Sten
57
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Posted - 2015.07.06 22:44:45 -
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Navy Slicers.
Can't really suggest anything else cause it's been a while since I've flown anything else.
Pull range, manually pilot and when he drops drones shoot them down.
Worst case scenario is that you can't keep point and he warps because you just killed all his dps.
Worst thing about the Tristan is having a killable weapon system.
If he's flying a neut fit you better watch your range or you'll be a dead slicer. |
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Mr Click
Mr Click Corp
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Posted - 2015.07.07 01:02:02 -
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Going to go with this fitting from Doctor Knuckles as have the skills maxed and is T1 frigate.
Breacher, dual masb or masb + saar and rockets, tristan can't break that tank.
Hopefully come back with with some Tristan kill mails.
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Portmanteau
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:04:01 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Double rep nano incursus. Still a tough fight.
Tristan will just leave... because web
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Portmanteau
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:16:57 -
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Quote:Incursus is terrible to fight tristans, double rep even more so because it lacks the range control, not having a web. Tristans will just sit at 7kms and pummel you. Worst. Suggestion. Ever.
agree
Quote:Tormentor works great, if beam fit it simply murders it, pulses you get less dps (still more than him) but more tank. I'd say you simply can't lose to a tristan in it. Executioner works well as well, albeit a bit light on tank, might be a coin toss.
disagree, killed both beam and pulse tormentors in the exact tristan fit the OP is talking about
Quote:Atron works too, load void (watch for transversal), OH, approach, GG. Again, light tank so coin toss, also vulnerable if he's neut fit, but can disengage fast.
Atron can work, but tyes, a coin flip
Quote:Merlin, double web to be sure you can get into optimal and pummel with void, again might be vulnerable if he's neut fit, but you can disengage easy. Kestrel, plate and 2 webs, rage rockets, orbit at 7kms and gg
May work, I've only beaten shield merlins in this fit but I've beaten 2web rockets kessies (it's close)
Quote:Breacher, dual masb or masb + saar and rockets, tristan can't break that tank.
Again (as you pointed out yourself) lack of web, tristan will just leave
In short, tristan (and comet) are stupidly overpowered due to drones and hull rigs, this is why they are so ubiquitous
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Portmanteau
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:32:42 -
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Mr Click wrote:Going to go with this fitting from Doctor Knuckles as have the skills maxed and is T1 frigate.
Breacher, dual masb or masb + saar and rockets, tristan can't break that tank.
Hopefully come back with with some Tristan kill mails.
go with the hybrid tank, it has *a chance* but dual masb will just mean the tristan leaves when it isn't winning (not sure why anyone would suggest something without a web.
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Portmanteau
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:53:26 -
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Syrilian wrote:Anything that is fast and can kite can kill a tristan. In my experience, slicers and navy issue comets murder tristans. Also incursuses are pretty tough as well if fit and flown properly.
The tristan is not as OP as many think it is.
The fact that the 2 suggestions you came up with are faction kinda detracts from your final thought
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Syrilian
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:58:18 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Syrilian wrote:Anything that is fast and can kite can kill a tristan. In my experience, slicers and navy issue comets murder tristans. Also incursuses are pretty tough as well if fit and flown properly.
The tristan is not as OP as many think it is. The fact that the 2 suggestions you came up with are faction kinda detracts from your final thought
Not entirely accurate. I said that anything fast and can kite can will a tristan. Yes I used two faction frigates as examples but they are not the only ships that are fast and can kite. Also, I mentioned an incurses(sp?)
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Portmanteau
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2015.07.07 14:14:19 -
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Syrilian wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Syrilian wrote:Anything that is fast and can kite can kill a tristan. In my experience, slicers and navy issue comets murder tristans. Also incursuses are pretty tough as well if fit and flown properly.
The tristan is not as OP as many think it is. The fact that the 2 suggestions you came up with are faction kinda detracts from your final thought Not entirely accurate. I said that anything fast and can kite can will a tristan. Yes I used two faction frigates as examples but they are not the only ships that are fast and can kite. Also, I mentioned an incurses(sp?)
Fair enough, it's just interesting that you highlighted those particular ships.
What t1 kiter you think would kill a rail/hull tank tristan ? |
Syrilian
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2015.07.07 18:02:24 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Syrilian wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Syrilian wrote:Anything that is fast and can kite can kill a tristan. In my experience, slicers and navy issue comets murder tristans. Also incursuses are pretty tough as well if fit and flown properly.
The tristan is not as OP as many think it is. The fact that the 2 suggestions you came up with are faction kinda detracts from your final thought Not entirely accurate. I said that anything fast and can kite can will a tristan. Yes I used two faction frigates as examples but they are not the only ships that are fast and can kite. Also, I mentioned an incurses(sp?) Fair enough, it's just interesting that you highlighted those particular ships. What t1 kiter you think would kill a rail/hull tank tristan ? In my opinion only a very well piloted condor will manage not to get forced off by drones getting a hit and plutonium/spike in the rails.
Condors would be one yes. I mostly fly blaster fit. The few times I used rails on a tristan though I have been killed by a condor.
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Portmanteau
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2015.07.07 19:13:48 -
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Syrilian wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Syrilian wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Syrilian wrote:Anything that is fast and can kite can kill a tristan. In my experience, slicers and navy issue comets murder tristans. Also incursuses are pretty tough as well if fit and flown properly.
The tristan is not as OP as many think it is. The fact that the 2 suggestions you came up with are faction kinda detracts from your final thought Not entirely accurate. I said that anything fast and can kite can will a tristan. Yes I used two faction frigates as examples but they are not the only ships that are fast and can kite. Also, I mentioned an incurses(sp?) Fair enough, it's just interesting that you highlighted those particular ships. What t1 kiter you think would kill a rail/hull tank tristan ? In my opinion only a very well piloted condor will manage not to get forced off by drones getting a hit and plutonium/spike in the rails. Condors would be one yes. I mostly fly blaster fit. The few times I used rails on a tristan though I have been killed by a condor. i've managed to force them off with iridium or plutonium and warriors. Can usually get them to drop point .
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Quattras Peione
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
98
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Posted - 2015.07.08 03:29:05 -
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I've had plenty of luck using MWD LML Kestrel.
Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione
No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
493
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Posted - 2015.07.08 17:52:55 -
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Mr Click wrote:Going to go with this fitting from Doctor Knuckles as have the skills maxed and is T1 frigate.
Breacher, dual masb or masb + saar and rockets, tristan can't break that tank.
Hopefully come back with with some Tristan kill mails.
This is the only fit/ship that has given me trouble in a hull tanking brawl Tristan.
Kite Tristan is not an issue. It's relatively easy to web/scram and kill his drones to force him off; he has no other DPS unless he's got rails and those do minimal damage.
The really dominant, frankly overpowered fit is the hull tanked brawler with ancillary rep, DCU and DDA. 100-120 drone DPS is enough to force off most kite ships - they usually won't have the tank to sit there and pick off your drones. Then you get another 70-80 DPS for a total ~200 DPS (over 200 heated) with dual neutrons or ions + neut/nos. 1400 hull hp + ancillary and you're looking at ~6-7k EHP and over 200 DPS, half that applicable at any range, out of a T1 hull.
T1 tackle (atron, executioner etc.) does not have the tank to stand up to the constant drone DPS. Incursus with an AAR is going to have trouble applying damage; a smart Tristan pilot will scram kite you with drones until your paste runs out. Cap boosted incursus doesn't work because you can't fit a web. Tormentor I haven't faced because they are not a terribly common ship. Merlin, cursus, rifter, and T1 tackle frigs lose. Navy ships should win (though a neut tristan can murder a comet) but you're having to go up in expense considerably. The dual tanked breacher is the only T1 thing I've lost to in that Tristan fit besides other Tristans, and I don't even fly it all that often. Against a pilot with more experience in that hull even a dual tanked breacher is a coin toss.
TLDR: brawl Tristan OP. Get one, or try a dual tank breacher. If you think an atron or executioner will tank 170 DPS (drones + null) long enough to burn through AAR and hull buffer, I want what you're smoking.
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems
368
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:26:40 -
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400 plate SAAR AB Web Scram Tormentor, scram kite.
Probably your best option. Tristan is king o' frigs.
Edit: The Breecher MASB / SAAR is a solid choice as well. Nasty ship. |
Yuigun Dhrull
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.07.11 19:43:22 -
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Phaade wrote:400 plate SAAR AB Web Scram Tormentor, scram kite.
Probably your best option. Tristan is king o' frigs.
Edit: The Breecher MASB / SAAR is a solid choice as well. Nasty ship.
If the tristan is triple neut fitted (which is quite common) you don't want to be in a tormentor. Breacher is better as it is less dependent on cap. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
502
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Posted - 2015.07.12 01:07:45 -
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Yuigun Dhrull wrote:Phaade wrote:400 plate SAAR AB Web Scram Tormentor, scram kite.
Probably your best option. Tristan is king o' frigs.
Edit: The Breecher MASB / SAAR is a solid choice as well. Nasty ship. If the tristan is triple neut fitted (which is quite common) you don't want to be in a tormentor. Breacher is better as it is less dependent on cap.
Also that's gonna be slow as hell so the Tristan can just overheat AB and leave. Breacher is quite fast and can dictate range which is really important vs. a Tristan. You can scram kite from outside of neut/null range.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1213
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Posted - 2015.07.12 03:01:31 -
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triple neut tristans cant control range so unless you were dumb and didn't immediately burn off when warping into him then you will be fine at 6-7km |
Andrej Vauban
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2015.07.12 04:28:27 -
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The problem with the Tristan is that you don't know what it is. Tell me how the Tristan is fit and its fairly easy to kill. The Tristan can be either rock, paper, or scissors but you just don't know which one.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
505
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Posted - 2015.07.12 19:24:34 -
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Andrej Vauban wrote:The problem with the Tristan is that you don't know what it is. Tell me how the Tristan is fit and its fairly easy to kill. The Tristan can be either rock, paper, or scissors but you just don't know which one.
It's exactly this that makes it such a strong choice.
Generally though I don't worry about MWD kite Tristans as they can be neutralized by killing the drones. Against an AB Tristan whether neut, brawl or scram kite, range control + good tank is required. Most T1 frigates can't do both; the breacher is one that can.
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Bobb Bobbington
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
19
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Posted - 2015.07.14 03:04:43 -
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Okay, honest to God, once I fit a smartbombing tristan just for killing other tristans. I almost killed somebody with it, but then the novelty wore off (plus the cap sucked) so I stopped using it. |
Count Szadek
Big Johnson's P I R A T
11
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:37:08 -
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hmm i've always enjoyed a Tormentor for Hunting Tristans. |
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
140
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:20:50 -
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Something with missiles. As a turret/drone pilot, dealing with missile frigs is a nightmare. I really don't get why they say they are underpowered. |
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