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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 05:03:56 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
All that aside I was poking fun at your comment about not engaging non flashies and your whining about your low sec status in the same thread
Well I'm not suggesting that you should be able to engage non flashys on a gate or a station or a moon or a Jove Observatory or even a mission site. There is no legal activity on offer for neutrals inside FW plexes. Baiting pirates?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 06:30:08 -
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I'm trying to find some kind of sympathy here in myself. I'm also kind of failing... as whenever I pew in low sec I get hit with sec status hits even though when I pew in high sec I don't. Seems a bit unfair to the 'pirates' that the militia don't seem to suffer the same penalties normally as they do. Is this a privilege issue?
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Marlin Spikes
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 09:49:13 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you.
The term "Dungeon" doesn't even belong in Eve. Makes me feel like crying in the shower just knowing that "Dungeons" exists in a space game.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:19:47 -
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Marlin Spikes wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote:...the more time I spend in factional warfare dungeons.... If you're spending time in dungeons in EvE, you deserve everything the FacPo throws at you. The term "Dungeon" doesn't even belong in Eve. Makes me feel like crying in the shower just knowing that "Dungeons" exists in a space game. Where else do the amarr keep their slaves?
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:26:51 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Arrghhh just got my first fac police encounter , went into a 1.0 system and my sec status has reached -2.5
I'm wondering if the response is quicker / more powerful depending on the sec level of the system ?
just run like fck in a ceptor and call marmite little b!tches on you're way out
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:37:03 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:I'm trying to find some kind of sympathy here in myself. I'm also kind of failing... as whenever I pew in low sec I get hit with sec status hits even though when I pew in high sec I don't. Seems a bit unfair to the 'pirates' that the militia don't seem to suffer the same penalties normally as they do. Is this a privilege issue?
They do suffer the same penalties
Militia that do a lot of random fighting tend to have lower sec status than those who stick to the objective but there is no legit area where you don't get covered in pirate dung even if you are not interested in fighting every random ship that comes into system for no reason other than to stop them from killing you.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:49:14 -
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My mistake. I didn't know that the militias actually lost sec status when they engage each other. Just have heard similar complaints many times in the past and I never really understood why, as I had assumed that PVP was an integral thing with it. It always struck me as odd that it bothered pvp pilots that people were willing to offer them free pvp.
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Venom Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:58:23 -
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Marlin Spikes wrote:
The term "Dungeon" doesn't even belong in Eve. Makes me feel like crying in the shower just knowing that "Dungeons" exists in a space game.
The term dungeon is ok it is only association with another type of gaming that is offputting, you can get over it a bit like the way you get over the fact that the term stargate is used for things outside of Eve.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Where else do the amarr keep their slaves?
Yep they are there, though I reffer to them as farming Alts , you can identify them because they have an employment history in two opposing militias.
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:27:04 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:My mistake. I didn't know that the militias actually lost sec status when they engage each other.
They don't. In FW you are free to attack or being attacked by the opposite side in any area (HS, low) of EVE without lose sec status. I think that the OP is referring on his behaviour to attack any ship that enter in plexes.
@OP: pirates are there for PVP, you are there for PVP. So where is the problem? Being in militia doesn't mean that you cannot be attacked by others players outside of FW. And if you attack them for first, you will lose sec status. Of course. |
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:31:36 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:My mistake. I didn't know that the militias actually lost sec status when they engage each other. Just have heard similar complaints many times in the past and I never really understood why, as I had assumed that PVP was an integral thing with it. It always struck me as odd that it bothered pvp pilots that people were willing to offer them free pvp.
They are in a permanent wardeck with the opposing militias. Other than that they get no privilleges.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:40:18 -
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Alrighty. Consider things from their perspective as well though. It's low sec space and they've been told by every butthurt carebear EVER to go to low/null if they want pvp. They do want pvp, so they went. I understand that you're having your war there, but it doesn't really change the low sec aspect. For most of them anything that's not blue is a valid target. I'd consider them an environmental hazard if I were you, don't hate them for it.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:06:48 -
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He just doesn't get it. It's like explaining it to a brick wall
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:08:19 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Alrighty. Consider things from their perspective as well though. It's low sec space and they've been told by every butthurt carebear EVER to go to low/null if they want pvp. They do want pvp, so they went. I understand that you're having your war there, but it doesn't really change the low sec aspect. For most of them anything that's not blue is a valid target. I'd consider them an environmental hazard if I were you, don't hate them for it.
I do see their perspective, why would they be bothered whether or not militia get a sec status hit for shooting them inside a FW complex ?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:14:03 -
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They aren't. Neither are we. You did this thing to you by doing things to them. I get preemptive self-defense, it's a thing. It just holds the same consequences for you as it does for them. Tags, get some and turn them in. I really don't see the problem here after we've sussed everything out in detail.
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:23:06 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:They aren't. Neither are we. You did this thing to you by doing things to them. I get preemptive self-defense, it's a thing. It just holds the same consequences for you as it does for them. Tags, get some and turn them in. I really don't see the problem here after we've sussed everything out in detail.
The problem is, I'm in a FW plex fighting legitimate war targets, you are there shooting people for no reason,.
If I shoot you I should get a medal not a sec hit.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:23:56 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Alrighty. Consider things from their perspective as well though. It's low sec space and they've been told by every butthurt carebear EVER to go to low/null if they want pvp. They do want pvp, so they went. I understand that you're having your war there, but it doesn't really change the low sec aspect. For most of them anything that's not blue is a valid target. I'd consider them an environmental hazard if I were you, don't hate them for it. I do see their perspective, why would they be bothered whether or not militia get a sec status hit for shooting them inside a FW complex ? Did you shoot a non valid lowsec target? By that I mean had more then -5 standing, was not suspect/criminal, did not accept a limited engagement with you, was not a member of your corp if friendly fire is turned on and much more likely was not at war with you? If he was none of these things YOU were the pirate when you shot first HAN
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:29:36 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Did you shoot a non valid lowsec target? By that I mean had more then -5 standing, was not suspect/criminal, did not accept a limited engagement with you, was not a member of your corp if friendly fire is turned on and much more likely was not at war with you? If he was none of these things YOU were the pirate when you shot first HAN
Yes that is how it currently works, you can enter a FW site and position your pirate ships at exactly your optimum range from me and if I shoot anyone with less than -5 sec status while they are doing that then I get a sec hit. I stick by my original comment on the matter, this mechanic is flawed.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:33:21 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:
Did you shoot a non valid lowsec target? By that I mean had more then -5 standing, was not suspect/criminal, did not accept a limited engagement with you, was not a member of your corp if friendly fire is turned on and much more likely was not at war with you? If he was none of these things YOU were the pirate when you shot first HAN
Yes that is how it currently works, you can enter a FW site and position your pirate ships at exactly your optimum range from me and if I shoot anyone with less than -5 sec status while they are doing that then I get a sec hit. I stick by my original comment on the matter, this mechanic is flawed. I think you would do better in nullsec it may suit your play style better you don't seem to grasp that lowsec is not lawless it's just highsec without concord and fac police running riot
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:33:58 -
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Alrighty, got it. I'mma put this all simple like. You are not a special snowflake because you are in FW. You suffer the same consequences as anyone else in low sec for doing low sec things to other low sec people. No medals. Just because your war is sanctioned does not mean it is exempt from looters, bandits and raiders. Just like any other war ever anywhere. Taking matters into your own hands justifiably results in the same consequences it does for anyone else, and no... the pirates and pvpers are not going to respect your boundaries.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:38:10 -
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Wait guys I have to solution. We should place concord inside FW plexes. BAM problem solved
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:41:02 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Alrighty, got it. I'mma put this all simple like. You are not a special snowflake because you are in FW. You suffer the same consequences as anyone else in low sec for doing low sec things to other low sec people. No medals. Just because your war is sanctioned does not mean it is exempt from looters, bandits and raiders. Just like any other war ever anywhere. Taking matters into your own hands justifiably results in the same consequences it does for anyone else, and no... the pirates and pvpers are not going to respect your boundaries.
You're entitled to your opinion snowflake
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:46:41 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Alrighty, got it. I'mma put this all simple like. You are not a special snowflake because you are in FW. You suffer the same consequences as anyone else in low sec for doing low sec things to other low sec people. No medals. Just because your war is sanctioned does not mean it is exempt from looters, bandits and raiders. Just like any other war ever anywhere. Taking matters into your own hands justifiably results in the same consequences it does for anyone else, and no... the pirates and pvpers are not going to respect your boundaries. You're entitled to your opinion snowflake It's not an opinion it's a fact...
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:49:00 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote: Yes that is how it currently works, you can enter a FW site and position your pirate ships at exactly your optimum range from me and if I shoot anyone with less than -5 sec status while they are doing that then I get a sec hit. I stick by my original comment on the matter, this mechanic is flawed.
It is not flawed. The FW plexes come in 3 different sizes of ships that are allowed to get in.
As the "pirate" enter and positione himself, you can do the same: keep moving in your better position. As him start to target you, do the same. If he open fire, you will have your fight with no loss of sec status.
If the "pirate" is not alone (do you watch on D-scan while you are in the plex right?) or he is in a ship that you judge better than yours you have the work to be situational awareness and keep your decisions about fight or run.
Many different is the situation where a militian is only "farming" the plex and pretend to / don't want interferences from outside. But it is not how FW is intended to work. Or Eve itself.
When you joining FW you should expect interferences all the time. Oh well, all the times you undock, FW or not, HS or not you have to expect the possibility to have "interferences". It is how EVE works. |
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 12:57:55 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote: Yes that is how it currently works, you can enter a FW site and position your pirate ships at exactly your optimum range from me and if I shoot anyone with less than -5 sec status while they are doing that then I get a sec hit. I stick by my original comment on the matter, this mechanic is flawed.
It is not flawed. The FW plexes come in 3 different sizes of ships that are allowed to get in. As the "pirate" enter and positione himself, you can do the same: keep moving in your better position. As him start to target you, do the same. If he open fire, you will have your fight with no loss of sec status. If the "pirate" is not alone (do you watch on D-scan while you are in the plex right?) or he is in a ship that you judge better than yours you have the work to be situational awareness and keep your decisions about fight or run. Many different is the situation where a militian is only "farming" the plex and pretend to / don't want interferences from outside. But it is not how FW is intended to work. Or Eve itself. When you joining FW you should expect interferences all the time. Oh well, all the times you undock, FW or not, HS or not you have to expect the possibility to have "interferences". It is how EVE works.
Why would I want to fight him ?
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:05:01 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote: Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy. |
Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:07:03 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote: Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy.
or troll in local, always troll in local
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Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:10:01 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote: Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy.
It's a FW plex we are meant to stay there to keep the enemy out.
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:22:04 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:Bullet Anarchy wrote: Why would I want to fight him ?
Then run. It's easy. It's a FW plex we are meant to stay there to keep the enemy out.
My suggestion is that you send your thought directly to CCP. We can't help you more here, after explain you how EVE works.
Hint: even miners in HS knows that mine an asteroid is not ONLY mean to be there to mine with no interferences. |
Bullet Anarchy
Venom and Bullet Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:34:30 -
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa wrote:
My suggestion is that you send your thought directly to CCP. We can't help you more here, after explain you how EVE works.
Hint: even miners in HS knows that mine an asteroid is not ONLY mean to be there to mine with no interferences.
I don't mind them hindering, I just don't like being low sec status for shooting them and now it has cost me a ship for the first time.
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Tepijo ntepreoccupa
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:41:22 -
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Bullet Anarchy wrote:I just don't like being low sec status for shooting them
Better forum where expose your point of view as it regards a possible modification of EVE mechanics: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270 |
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