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Martinius Tawate
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:48:23 -
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The thing is, I have learned the hub trading way to go, however it is more like a job. It was fun while building up a bankroll and all, but now it starts to bore me already.
My one alt is leveled up pretty good and can easily make a bill in a day if I play that alt for 6-7 hours. This has been fun and there have been crazy cool to mess up a product for everyone else and then have the monopoly situation where I just raise the price sky high.. I mean, with a glass of wine, some good music and the rage.. It was all in good fun thou.
Now that I have lots of ISK, the fun is gone. At least for now.. I still need my alts to fund my main who are about a few weeks from leaving for 0 sec.
Am I right in this conclusion: One alt on Jita, one alt on Amarr. In addition to be high level market skilled, they will now be trained for manufacturing. I have looked around a bit and when I find product currently selling 20%+ over market price, there are a pretty good income. I just get them producing and once in a while I go and sell my goods. This way almost no time will be spent actually working on the income.
I will not make nearly as much as a day of trading can do - but to make large amount of ISK trading, I need to constantly watch it to be able to manipulate it my way.
I recon I do not need more money now than what I spend in destroyed ships and such? My goal is to be able to rob you guys blind. If you are a carebear, I am coming for you - I promise..
My main is going on a hunt as soon as I am able to do so. Skills are obtained, now I need to learn how to.. Hopefully I meet a few guys I can ride along with and have some decent fun together the coming winter.
I am thinking I should do some missions, find some solid ships and then maybe some pvp duels. After this, 0 sec, here I come.. I hope..
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Edwin Wyatt
In Utter Darkness
69
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:05:53 -
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Start by training PI skills to the max, in 0.0, WH or even lowsec with a bit of work you can easily make 100m isk per week.
Exploration would be the next money maker, you're competing with a lot less people and the rewards can be nice if you risk lowsec or nullsec.
I would stick away from Research, Invention or Manufacturing as there is next to no profit in these activities.
Good luck with your new alt.
Edwin |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1250
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:30:14 -
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if you want to learn how to shoot things then go shoot things. Your main can go on a hunt right now, if you keep waiting you are going to have more isk than sense.
missions can teach some basic things about eve combat, however it seems to me that most people pick up more bad habits from pve than learning things. Duels, probably a similar situation. There are many gimmicky fits that do very well in 1v1s, but don't have much use elsewhere. Plus many people have neutral alts that they can use to interfere in a duel.
plus you can still keep trading and add manufacturing. plenty of time to update a few orders while in warp between systems, or while looking for a new place to go roaming. Plus many items have small price fluctuations over the week, so you don't have to constantly update the order to get it filled.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
669
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:49:51 -
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Martinius Tawate wrote:The thing is, I have learned the hub trading way to go, however it is more like a job. It was fun while building up a bankroll and all, but now it starts to bore me already. My one alt is leveled up pretty good and can easily make a bill in a day if I play that alt for 6-7 hours. This has been fun and there have been crazy cool to mess up a product for everyone else and then have the monopoly situation where I just raise the price sky high.. I mean, with a glass of wine, some good music and the rage.. It was all in good fun thou. Now that I have lots of ISK, the fun is gone. At least for now.. I still need my alts to fund my main who are about a few weeks from leaving for 0 sec. Am I right in this conclusion: One alt on Jita, one alt on Amarr. In addition to be high level market skilled, they will now be trained for manufacturing. I have looked around a bit and when I find product currently selling 20%+ over market price, there are a pretty good income. I just get them producing and once in a while I go and sell my goods. This way almost no time will be spent actually working on the income. I will not make nearly as much as a day of trading can do - but to make large amount of ISK trading, I need to constantly watch it to be able to manipulate it my way. I recon I do not need more money now than what I spend in destroyed ships and such? My goal is to be able to rob you guys blind. If you are a carebear, I am coming for you - I promise.. My main is going on a hunt as soon as I am able to do so. Skills are obtained, now I need to learn how to.. Hopefully I meet a few guys I can ride along with and have some decent fun together the coming winter. I am thinking I should do some missions, find some solid ships and then maybe some pvp duels. After this, 0 sec, here I come.. I hope.. Wow, so much effort just for money. And now it lost all it's fun. You won't stay long, mate. And you won't keep your money for long either.
It's really like doing community work and when you don't see me post I had a day off.
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Kaivar Lancer
Placid Peace Corps
625
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Posted - 2015.07.06 20:08:21 -
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I reached this point awhile ago, amassed a year's worth of PLEX + billions of ISK, stopped seeing the point of gathering ISK. Now I blow sh-t up. :) |
Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2015.07.06 21:21:33 -
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I pulled an opportunity to ride my small manufacturing on someone's market grab and made some isk myself, but it's only like... 20 mill? I collect my own materials, that way I don't have to worry about people selling stupidly below market prices, I only have the manufacturing price itself if I make a mistake. It's an isk lossless strategy, but you don't even make a living off it, it's just opportunistic isk.
That and you can REALLY **** off some people if you do it right, due to much larger margins. Just not that you have huge volume.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
398
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Posted - 2015.07.06 21:41:51 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:I collect my own materials, that way I don't have to worry about people selling stupidly below market prices, I only have the manufacturing price itself if I make a mistake...due to much larger margins. So the materials you gather are free and just because you spent the time to collect them?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
119
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Posted - 2015.07.06 22:07:58 -
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Your the most over prepared pvper I've ever heard of
I give you exhibit A;
Sem skord
A freaking spectacular solo pvp pilot within my corp that started fighting within his first month? Of eve.
He funds his exploits on occasional exploration.
Guess my point is, just get out there and do it man. No sence in wasting all this time
Experience trumps skill level and isk any day
Don't fall into the bling trap. I once built a 700mil isk vengeance. It was only marginally better than a t2 fit. But hey! I was new to fw and wanted every edge I could get. Long story short, I lost that ship because of my inexperience with local intel. Lowsec survival 101.
You seem to be overthinking it.
Get ten ships fit and near your hunting ground. Then go fight.
The only preparation you need to really make is mental
1. Consider every time you undock, you already died. This will free you from fear of loss and help curb the combat shakes. Hell even randomly self destruct your ships to drive the point home.
2. Every fight that ends in explosions, be them yours or your targets, is a damn good thing. This will free you from over analyzing the combat environment and thus curb your tendency to become risk adverse.
3. Do not worry about killboards. This will free you from peer pressure to be the best and facilitate faster learning through risk.
4. Don't fear the reaper. Your immortal. Consider your actions as well as your targets actions after each fight. I find that deaths offer much more to learn from than victories
Now that you know how to be a psycho, go forth and die.
Also, realize this train of thought is very unnatural to most of eve but, the best pilots I know all hail from this way of thinking. |
Zappity
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
2328
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Posted - 2015.07.07 00:23:09 -
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Just go to lowsec with a couple of dozen cheap frigates. When you are ready use your alt as a scout and go to nullsec in something a little more expensive. Or if you want fleet fights join a newbie-friendly nullsec corp.
I got my first solo lowsec kill at three weeks. And I podded him :)
You will die an awful lot so go cheap until you learn the basics. Here was my experience: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3617405#post3617405
Use jump clones for trading in Jita.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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stoicfaux
6069
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Posted - 2015.07.07 00:53:52 -
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Two bits of advice: 1. If your alt has a job, you can use her money to buy PLEX to sell for isk in-game.
2. Never call your wife an alt.
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
412
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Posted - 2015.07.07 02:24:45 -
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A few PI alts in a decent null corp that sell to corp mates to build stuff with will net you what you need per week to fund your PvP, especially early on. Then do long term trading if you must for spare isk or even cheaper modules to haul to null to use for PvP. I always took my profit inventing and manufacturing ships or buying and selling modules for myself to pvp with. It wasnt the top isk possible but it made it very easy to have a lot of ships.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1800
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Posted - 2015.07.07 02:30:11 -
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Jump clones. If you get the day cycling round right then it can be fun.
Place order for materials / create BPC Next jump back to system make item in queue Next jump back, put it on the market
All the while you are jumping all over the galaxy and cycling other things through those queues with alts also. Quite satisfying to get it just right and it all falls into perfectly into place for a week. Infuriating when things aren't ready in time.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3807
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Posted - 2015.07.07 05:49:44 -
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Darth Terona wrote:1. Consider every time you undock, you already died. This will free you from fear of loss and help curb the combat shakes. Hell even randomly self destruct your ships to drive the point home.
2. Every fight that ends in explosions, be them yours or your targets, is a damn good thing. This will free you from over analyzing the combat environment and thus curb your tendency to become risk adverse.
3. Do not worry about killboards. This will free you from peer pressure to be the best and facilitate faster learning through risk.
4. Don't fear the reaper. Your immortal. Consider your actions as well as your targets actions after each fight. I find that deaths offer much more to learn from than victories
Another tip is to always consider your main as your practice character. I've been playing this character for 3 years, but it's still just a practice character until I learn to play, then I'll make my real one. lol...
Oh god.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1255
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Posted - 2015.07.07 06:37:10 -
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Just send all your ISK to me and start over. The best way to get your fun back!
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
42
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Posted - 2015.07.07 11:43:13 -
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USE isk to buy new toon go and shoot people with new toon. |
Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
326
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Posted - 2015.07.07 21:12:22 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:I collect my own materials, that way I don't have to worry about people selling stupidly below market prices, I only have the manufacturing price itself if I make a mistake...due to much larger margins. So the materials you gather are free and just because you spent the time to collect them? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
I'm happy someone has finally given the answer to that thing people keep throwing around. But throwing all my isk at some salvage to manufacture stuff is probably going to end VERY badly for me. When you are pessemistic about EVE this is a way to beat that.
I mean I could go be some market genious, but I'm not that smart. My other choice could be to go buy a PLEX instead, but I choose not to.
I am more the type who sees slow and steady as a good choice for money (real or fake) rather than "oh well that went HORRIBLY badly".
I shouldn't have taken out that massive loan with the mafia to bet on those horse races because I thought I could make massive money from it. Is pretty much how I see it going for me otherwise. Unless you want to try calculating my time value when i'm not at work into isk, and I don't feel like going through audits.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
403
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Posted - 2015.07.07 23:17:35 -
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You miss the point. It's near the bottom of the wiki page under 'Implicit Costs'
wiki wrote:Implicit costs (also called implied, imputed or notional costs) are the opportunity costs not reflected in cash outflow but implied by the failure of the firm to allocate its existing (owned) resources, or factors of production to the best alternative use. For example: a manufacturer has previously purchased 1000 tons of steel and the machinery to produce a widget. The implicit part of the opportunity cost of producing the widget is the revenue lost by not selling the steel and not renting out the machinery instead of using them for production.
So you own some Veldspar worth V and have your manufacturing time T to create a product worth P.
If V > P then you just wasted all your T on *losing* isk.
Also the 0.01 isk is just a short-term station traders game - with patience the prices will rise and fall and your stock will sell, in the meantime diversify into other products so that there's always something that you can make where P > V.
This might require some spreadsheet knowledge :)
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
326
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Posted - 2015.07.08 01:42:55 -
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Well no, part of the reason I don't bother just selling materials outright is because I can make more off what I build even if it is still small isk. Ore was just an easy example though as I do sell that stuff outright most of the time due to reprocessing losses and whatnot. I mainly do salvage to rigs. It's been good to me so far.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2015.07.08 06:30:31 -
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Martinius Tawate wrote:... I recon I do not need more money now than what I spend in destroyed ships and such? My goal is to be able to rob you guys blind. If you are a carebear, I am coming for you - I promise.. ...
More empty threats....
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