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Borat Guereen
Chao3 Chao3 Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.10 05:30:49 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:HeXxploiT wrote:
Big deal. How hard is it to make an alliance. All one needs is two corporations joined together so two people?
Do you even need two? You do need a billion ISK. 1 player, with a billion isk to spare can make an alliance of their own. If they wanted to, say, advertise they're running for CSM in every post on the forums.
Speaker of Chao3
Porte Parole de Chao3
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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
156
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Posted - 2015.07.10 07:44:15 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Well ****, why don't we take this a step further... What about NPC corps? Why cant NPC Corps take Sov with the new system??!?!?! Why cant 1 man corps take sov??!?! Why cant completely NPC organizations take/retake sov!?!?! Why can cats run exploration sites, but cant take sov?!??! What happens if the Walnuts return!?!? What the hell is this sticky crap on my desk?!?!?! Who took my stapler?!??! What is the average airspeed velocity of an unlaiden swallow!?!?!? Who shot J.R!?!?!!? How many of these used !??!!!? appropriately?!?!!?! Why was my favorite taco truck out of salsa?!?!?! Where in the world was Carmen SanDiego?!??!!? What would you do for a Klondike bar?!?!?!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
38653
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Posted - 2015.07.10 08:18:50 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vincent Athena wrote: If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?
If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be allowed to do it in the first place? Are you saying that if I am in an alliance, but I have no intention of completing the capture process, then I should not be allowed to knock a station into freeport? How will that rule be enforced? Being in an alliance does not equal the intent to do anything. The restriction is on starting a sovereignty capture event as starting a capture event is an Alliance action.
Corps not part of an alliance have no way to capture sov, so rightly so have no need to start a capture event that by definition they can't achieve anyway.
Kaarous's comment was just in line with that. If a Corp wants to start capture events, then join an Alliance. If you're in an Alliance, then troll all you like. We can't really expect the game to know your intent, only whether the mechanics even apply to you or not.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Falken Falcon
32096
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Posted - 2015.07.10 09:24:06 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vincent Athena wrote: If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?
If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be allowed to do it in the first place? Are you saying that if I am in an alliance, but I have no intention of completing the capture process, then I should not be allowed to knock a station into freeport? How will that rule be enforced? Being in an alliance does not equal the intent to do anything. The restriction is on starting a sovereignty capture event as starting a capture event is an Alliance action. Corps not part of an alliance have no way to capture sov, so rightly so have no need to start a capture event that by definition they can't achieve anyway. Kaarous's comment was just in line with that. If a Corp wants to start capture events, then join an Alliance. If you're in an Alliance, then troll all you like. We can't really expect the game to know your intent, only whether the mechanics even apply to you or not. Their idea is that why can't a strong corp initiate the capture if they can do it. There are larger and stronger corporations than some alliances are. They wanna know why is the alliance a requirement.
And the answer to it is the reduced "sov trolling" that the alliance requirement brings. If you are strong enough to take and hold a sov, you should be able to create a simple alliance for your corp.
Aye, Sea Turtles
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Anthar Thebess
1222
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Posted - 2015.07.10 09:37:39 -
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This is good rule, especially that any one can create corp and alliance , so i don't see any problem. Just make : Random Harassing Corporation and alliance Your Prime Time Belong To Us and you can do whatever you want.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
914
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Posted - 2015.07.10 09:59:06 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Are you saying that if I am in an alliance, but I have no intention of completing the capture process, then I should not be allowed to knock a station into freeport? How will that rule be enforced?
Being in an alliance does not equal the intent to do anything. I suppose the idea is that if you want a freeport, then you must be able to capture the territory, hold it, then declare that it's a freeport (providing proper rights to everyone) and anyone who messes up with this status and your enforcement of it will be shot.
That said, arbitrary restriction that says you must wear your alliance tabard is all kinds of arbitrary and easily sidestepped with no gameplay involved, so I'm not sure what does it achieves. |
Burnharder
Tiny Holdings Aureus Alae
0
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:05:11 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.
The choice for a developer here is "make magic rule" or "engineer or refactor the current solution". The former is easier (and a lot cheaper to do) than the latter. But you're right, magic rules make for terrible gameplay.
With respect to the OP, unaffiliated corps still have a role helping the alliance hold the field, which you still need to do to capture a system.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22177
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Posted - 2015.07.10 15:12:33 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:Arent there any videos about platypuses anymore?
Platypus content is reserved for Icon Whine Threads.
Unsuccessful at Everything reserves the right to use educational/entertainment materials pertaining to the Platypus as a response to most patch related spammed posterior perturbment.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Borat Guereen
Chao3 Chao3 Alliance
28
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Posted - 2015.07.13 19:54:43 -
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One of our clandestine cell's lead, Saisin, has brought to the Chao3 Revolutionary Council an idea that has been adopted and put into motion.
Rogue Operatives Corp will allow anyone to start Entosis capture on Stations, iHUB and TCUs
Speaker of Chao3
Porte Parole de Chao3
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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp Chao3 Alliance
269
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Posted - 2015.07.13 20:15:38 -
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The recruitment thread can be found here.
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2311
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Posted - 2015.07.14 06:15:21 -
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Falken Falcon wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Vincent Athena wrote: If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?
If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be allowed to do it in the first place? Are you saying that if I am in an alliance, but I have no intention of completing the capture process, then I should not be allowed to knock a station into freeport? How will that rule be enforced? Being in an alliance does not equal the intent to do anything. The restriction is on starting a sovereignty capture event as starting a capture event is an Alliance action. Corps not part of an alliance have no way to capture sov, so rightly so have no need to start a capture event that by definition they can't achieve anyway. Kaarous's comment was just in line with that. If a Corp wants to start capture events, then join an Alliance. If you're in an Alliance, then troll all you like. We can't really expect the game to know your intent, only whether the mechanics even apply to you or not. Their idea is that why can't a strong corp initiate the capture if they can do it. There are larger and stronger corporations than some alliances are. They wanna know why is the alliance a requirement. And the answer to it is the reduced "sov trolling" that the alliance requirement brings. If you are strong enough to take and hold a sov, you should be able to create a simple alliance for your corp. The term Alliance indicates two separate entities forming together. Requiring a corporation (one entity) to create an alliance is stupid.
Based on numbers would make more sense. An alliance of 1 person gaming the system entosising makes less sense than a corp or 500 doing the same.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Anselme
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.07.14 12:21:17 -
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What's wrong with creating an alliance that's open to any corp that wants to turn revolutionary? An alliance doesn't need any leadership. It can function just fine as a loose affiliation in name only. it's just a game mechanic. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2033
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Posted - 2015.07.14 13:15:36 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: The term Alliance indicates two separate entities forming together. Requiring a corporation (one entity) to create an alliance is stupid.
Based on numbers would make more sense. An alliance of 1 person gaming the system entosising makes less sense than a corp or 500 doing the same.
The term alliance now also mean "can engage in SOV shenanigans".
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2033
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Posted - 2015.07.14 13:18:26 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Are you saying that if I am in an alliance, but I have no intention of completing the capture process, then I should not be allowed to knock a station into freeport? How will that rule be enforced?
Being in an alliance does not equal the intent to do anything. I suppose the idea is that if you want a freeport, then you must be able to capture the territory, hold it, then declare that it's a freeport (providing proper rights to everyone) and anyone who messes up with this status and your enforcement of it will be shot. That said, arbitrary restriction that says you must wear your alliance tabard is all kinds of arbitrary and easily sidestepped with no gameplay involved, so I'm not sure what does it achieves.
How do you sidestep the tabard requirement if the module just won't run if you are not wearing it? |
Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp Chao3 Alliance
269
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Posted - 2015.07.14 16:30:21 -
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Anselme wrote:What's wrong with creating an alliance that's open to any corp that wants to turn revolutionary? An alliance doesn't need any leadership. It can function just fine as a loose affiliation in name only. it's just a game mechanic.
Absolutely. In our case, the Chao3's leadership is simply providing a vision and goals in game, and those that like the spirit of it participate without ever joining the alliance. The alliance is more like a figurehead in that case, and the leadership still has to play the game to earn their own isk, and not rely on members taxes or top-down incomes gained from the game time of their lemmings or renters.
Initially, when I brought my idea about the entosis for all to Chao3, I was proposing accepting any unaffiliated corp that wanted to start sov captures into the alliance. They reviewed the details and consequences of my idea with the current game mechanics, and decided for creating a corp instead and accepting individual pilots freely as the corp executor vote for the alliance could easily be used to do a hostile take-over.
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp Chao3 Alliance
269
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Posted - 2015.07.14 16:32:14 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
How do you sidestep the tabard requirement if the module just won't run if you are not wearing it?
Simply have one of your pilot apply to my corp, and he/she will be able to start a capture on station, iHUB or TCU, no questions or requirements asked... ... or you can train the right skills and spend 1 billion ISK to start your own alliance.
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
153
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Posted - 2015.07.14 23:20:01 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Sov is for Alliances, not Corporations.
Nothing is particularly changing.
+100000000000000000000 Correct and agreed IBTL
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