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Freya Sertan
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2015.07.09 20:41:25 -
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Not against me, no; against another player.
So as not to make GD any worse than it is and really, the story will fit here let me link the original thread on GD and call out Ralph KIng-Griffin's post and my subsequent reply.
If this kind of thread should be in My Eve, I'll put it there instead but I think it fits here better. Will also post under my main here unless requested that I post under the alt who declared the war.
Locator running; update in a day or so once the war begins.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Freya Sertan
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
365
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Posted - 2015.07.09 20:45:21 -
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This is also a very awesome learning experience for me. I have no real exposure to this kind of gameplay so when you see my errors, yes when, call them out. I'll happily listen to what is said and learn from it. This will likely cost me a lot of ISK but I don't care. Eve != ISK; this is Eve == fun.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Valkin Mordirc
1209
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Posted - 2015.07.09 21:27:42 -
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As a few tips.
Locate R Us is a channel that provides locates at modest fee, I think it's 5mil?
Looking like a Target, is very important. Using T1 ships to your best advantage is imperative. Though just being by yourself is sometimes enough for people to drop on your shinier stuff.
People will act stupid if they know it's one person coming after them. Log out your wardeccing alt next to them and keep a scout watching them. When they become vulnerable log your Wardec toon back on and take the advantage.
I've caught a Barghest and an Orca just because I was in a Solo corp, and the people thought just because I was alone I wouldn't be a problem.
Also being by yourself mistakes become even more taxing when they happen. Make sure you have know whats about to happen before you act. Don't over underestimate the people you've decced. Also don't overestimate them either. Sometimes an idiot in a Mack is just an idiot in a mack.
AND DONT FORGET THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE OF THEM,
LIKE REALLY. If you forget this I will wardec you and murder you to DEATH.
Have fun. =D
#DeleteTheWeak
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1251
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Posted - 2015.07.10 01:12:50 -
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Kavoro Pel
Sword of the Saviour CODE.
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Posted - 2015.07.10 01:31:02 -
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Also in my experience it's paid off to wait a day or 2 into the war, to make them feel comfortable again. The very second they get comfortable again, thats when you strike.
Agent and knight of the New Order, I support James 315 and so should you.
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Freya Sertan
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
376
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Posted - 2015.07.10 01:33:13 -
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Kavoro Pel wrote:Also in my experience it's paid off to wait a day or 2 into the war, to make them feel comfortable again. The very second they get comfortable again, thats when you strike.
The same thought I had earlier. I've moved everything to a staging area and now I'll chill out a couple days.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Valkin Mordirc
1213
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Posted - 2015.07.10 01:47:00 -
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Also if your computer can handle it.
Leave yourself logged in docked up or cloaked. You will annoy the ever loving **** out of your Targets because they now can't use watchlist to see when your active or not.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1323
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:59:46 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Also if your computer can handle it.
Leave yourself logged in docked up or cloaked. You will annoy the ever loving **** out of your Targets because they now can't use watchlist to see when your active or not.
This, a million times this.
Also, if you are always logged in, they get...sloppy.
Hilarity can then ensue.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1259
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Posted - 2015.07.10 11:28:36 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Also if your computer can handle it.
Leave yourself logged in docked up or cloaked. You will annoy the ever loving **** out of your Targets because they now can't use watchlist to see when your active or not. This goes hand in hand with deccing them for weeks or even months solid with no repreive but with no actual sign of effort on your part. eventually if they are highsec focused they will go back to what they do and then you strike
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2731
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Posted - 2015.07.10 12:43:09 -
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The two most basic and imperative tools are the neutral scout and locator agent. Locators can of course be outsourced.
Here is a brief video guide to hunting war targets by the pirate king himself.
The specific methodology you should use is going to vary depending on your precise goals, but that should get you started. |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10695
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:15:31 -
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Oh dear, what have I started
Freya, feel free to hit me up in-game if I'm online, I'll happily offer support (of the neutral kind ) assuming my current obligations are allowing.
Hopefully this will be a fruitful war for you, be prepared for that not to be the case though, patience is key here.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.10 13:30:57 -
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Given that your target is a single moronic individual with self imposed limitations on his own capabilities I expect that he will not attempt to defend himself in any way whatsoever and will hide 100% of the time. Kills are not particularly likely, however it should be possible to utterly obliterate his gameplay by continuously being present in system with him in basically any ship. Just having a red star in local with him will probably cause him to suspend all of his gameplay. You may manage to catch him mining a few times though.
If this is the case time and persistence are your weapons of choice, just maintain the war for as long as possible and he should ruin the game for himself. |
Freya Sertan
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:43:33 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Given that your target is a single moronic individual with self imposed limitations on his own capabilities I expect that he will not attempt to defend himself in any way whatsoever and will hide 100% of the time. Kills are not particularly likely, however it should be possible to utterly obliterate his gameplay by continuously being present in system with him in basically any ship. Just having a red star in local with him will probably cause him to suspend all of his gameplay. You may manage to catch him mining a few times though.
If this is the case time and persistence are your weapons of choice, just maintain the war for as long as possible and he should ruin the game for himself.
My plan. I am keeping a neutral scout cloaked in his home system watching for any sign of his undock. I can run two clients at a time no problem so I will log my alt in today as the war goes live and leave him cloaked at a safe in system or an adjacent one in case he jumps immediately.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10699
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:48:53 -
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Pretty much, cultivate complacency and then abruptly exploit it.
Edit: think about investing in a true sansa scram (3points of disruption) as he will likely have stabs on anything he does undock.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2735
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Posted - 2015.07.10 15:47:45 -
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If you require assistance or it turns out he has a structure that needs bashing hit me up.
Remember k8ds, maximize the antifun your opponent is experiencing, blowing up ships is secondary to ruining everything. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2015.07.10 17:00:50 -
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Prosecuting wars, a-z.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.10 17:12:39 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Fly an active tanked HAC U wot m8 |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1269
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Posted - 2015.07.10 23:53:51 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Fly an active tanked HAC u wot m8 I mean seriously, that's some scrub-tier crap right there. Ahacs are completely legit for a lot of solo work which is what it's talking about where he mentions it... personally I role with dedicated logi most of the time but if I didn't have that option and I was a bit newer it's a suggestion I wish I'd read earlier in my career
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.11 00:53:17 -
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Trust a mermaid to not even grasp what is wrong with the suggestion I quoted. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.07.11 00:59:56 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Trust a mermaid to not even grasp what is wrong with the suggestion I quoted. Care to elaborate? I am curious why you said that. Further, if you are solo and at war what ships would you suggest?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.11 02:00:55 -
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You have to remember, in most cases people in highsec aren't going to try and shoot back at you and if they do it's unlikely to be effective, they're going to try and run away most f the time. Catching something and keeping it from escaping is, therefore, of primary importance.
The optimal thing is to be armor buffer tanked, with a high grade slave set and no fewer than 4 medslots, beyond that the specific ship isn't that important. The default medslot setup is MWD, Disruptor, web, sensor booster. In your cargo hold you should carry 2 warp scramblers, 2 racial ECCMs, an extra web and an extra disruptor. You change your medslot loadout depending n the specific ship your target/s is/are flying. A medium neut helps too if you can get one on there.
If you're going for a battleship in a mission pocket you fit disruptor+scram and use your MWD to burn through the mission pocket as quickly as possible before he sees local or finishes his mission, on a gate you MWD towards him as he aligns out so you can get your scram on him in case he's MJD fit. If you're anticipating cruiser sized things to jump into you then you keep your sensor booster fitted to catch them as they jump in. If you're looking at a target with a large drone bay, or if you spot ECM ships floating around you refit ECCM.
Armor buffer is prefered because it is totally capacitor independent which allows you to neut to your hearts content, because it makes the best use of a slave set (which are common among highsec mercs) and because it is well complemented by logistics (many people use a logistics alt as a ghetto scout if they only dual box).
Shield tanking is impractical because shield tanked ships can't tackle effectively due to lack of meds and are also vulnerable to jam drones. Active armor is suboptimal because you lose the advantage of cap independence and waste meds on a cap booster.
Hence prior to the battlecruiser nerf the hurricane was the best thing in the world. Pretty much all we used to fly was hurricanes. It was great.
I know my opinion sounds horribly inflexible, but it's the product of five years of experience doing basically nothing but hunt down and kill people in highsec wars. Other stuff is okay in certain niche circumstances (marauders for POS bashes, Orthruses for fighting T3Ds), but most of the time you'll get the best results in a buffer armored something.
If I was poor, didn't have slaves and was solo I'd probably use a gnosis (it has a bajillion meds, aligns fast-ish and does good DPS) and a typhoon most of the time out of personal preference. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1271
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Posted - 2015.07.11 02:26:40 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:You have to remember, in most cases people in highsec aren't going to try and shoot back at you and if they do it's unlikely to be effective, they're going to try and run away most f the time. Catching something and keeping it from escaping is, therefore, of primary importance.
The optimal thing is to be armor buffer tanked, with a high grade slave set and no fewer than 4 medslots, beyond that the specific ship isn't that important. The default medslot setup is MWD, Disruptor, web, sensor booster. In your cargo hold you should carry 2 warp scramblers, 2 racial ECCMs, an extra web and an extra disruptor. You change your medslot loadout depending n the specific ship your target/s is/are flying. A medium neut helps too if you can get one on there.
If you're going for a battleship in a mission pocket you fit disruptor+scram and use your MWD to burn through the mission pocket as quickly as possible before he sees local or finishes his mission, on a gate you MWD towards him as he aligns out so you can get your scram on him in case he's MJD fit. If you're anticipating cruiser sized things to jump into you then you keep your sensor booster fitted to catch them as they jump in. If you're looking at a target with a large drone bay, or if you spot ECM ships floating around you refit ECCM.
Armor buffer is prefered because it is totally capacitor independent which allows you to neut to your hearts content, because it makes the best use of a slave set (which are common among highsec mercs) and because it is well complemented by logistics (many people use a logistics alt as a ghetto scout if they only dual box).
Shield tanking is impractical because shield tanked ships can't tackle effectively due to lack of meds and are also vulnerable to jam drones. Active armor is suboptimal because you lose the advantage of cap independence and waste meds on a cap booster.
Hence prior to the battlecruiser nerf the hurricane was the best thing in the world. Pretty much all we used to fly was hurricanes. It was great.
I know my opinion sounds horribly inflexible, but it's the product of five years of experience doing basically nothing but hunt down and kill people in highsec wars. Other stuff is okay in certain niche circumstances (marauders for POS bashes, Orthruses for fighting T3Ds), but most of the time you'll get the best results in a buffer armored something.
If I was poor, didn't have slaves and was solo I'd probably use a gnosis (it has a bajillion meds, aligns fast-ish and does good DPS) and a typhoon most of the time out of personal preference. All of this assumes 2 things. One the OP has a logi capable alt. Two that the other guy is not going to shoot back at all. When cornered most bears will shoot back and an armor buffer tanked whatever may not last long enough to bring down say an active t3 or battleship in a mission without logi support. I'm still going to lean on a ahac is more flexible then a buffer gnosis for instance
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.07.11 02:53:05 -
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The assumption I'm actually making is that you have a high grade slave set.
If you don't have logistics a buffer tank is still more effective than an active tank because you can actually catch the thing you intend to kill and keep it from running away from you and if you happen to have slaves most of the time you'll have around 100,000 EHP against your lowest resist which gives you more than enough time to kill most kinds of thing. Mission boats save for T3s and Marauders are entirely trivial to kill, even on low SP characters without implants, you just need to fit for selectable damage type and neuting.
The Deimos is the most common active tanked HAC by far and frankly they're crap at catching anything but the most inattentive bears, have a total lack of utility and can be defeated by a flight of medium ECM drones or one dude in a griffin.
If you're actually expecting to get a fight you should be in something bigger like a dual rep hyperion, if you're actually trying to catch something you should be buffer tanked. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
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Posted - 2015.07.11 02:58:36 -
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You guys fly what you want.
I'm sticking to my Assault Frigate of Awesome (I like to switch it up. Right now t2 arty Wolf is mah fave).
T2 fit Vexor Navy second most favorite, especially when they think its just a Vexor.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2750
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Posted - 2015.07.11 04:13:09 -
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An arty wolf can actually be super useful when dealing with certain types of people. |
Freya Sertan
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
406
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Posted - 2015.07.11 15:18:03 -
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Update Day One:
No update to speak of. Target did not log in at all yesterday. I was expecting this and am nothing if not patient. Gives me a chance to run anoms in Catch. That's good ISK, there.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
498
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Posted - 2015.07.11 21:02:31 -
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My experience has been that if you are solo wardeccing and your opponents realize this, they will try to blob you with kitchen sink crap and you need an active repped setup to stay on field against that much incoming DPS long enough to kill anything.
Alot of people can't multibox scouts/logi/misc. other support. I wish folks would consider this when responding, or just outright state that neutral covops + logi + multibox capability is a requirement for highsec wars.
Also I love the Deimos. It can do 3k m/s heated, more with speed implants. Probably 4k with links and snakes.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
433
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Posted - 2015.07.11 22:16:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:An arty wolf can actually be super useful when dealing with certain types of people.
... I KNOW this one .. it is SHEEP!!! isn't it?
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1275
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Posted - 2015.07.11 23:00:20 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:My experience has been that if you are solo wardeccing and your opponents realize this, they will try to blob you with kitchen sink crap and you need an active repped setup to stay on field against that much incoming DPS long enough to kill anything.
Alot of people can't multibox scouts/logi/misc. other support. I wish folks would consider this when responding, or just outright state that neutral covops + logi + multibox capability is a requirement for highsec wars.
Also I love the Deimos. It can do 3k m/s heated, more with speed implants. Probably 4k with links and snakes.
I have taken a loan linksless kitey Tristan against a 15 man fleet consisting of 2 logi cruisers a Bob and 2 thoraxes with 10 assorted frigs and dessies. 10 kills later I regretted not having links when I finally got caught by a firetail who had reshipped. The moral of the story is blobbing is not king against prepared, skilled and creative individuals
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.11 23:18:24 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:My experience has been that if you are solo wardeccing and your opponents realize this, they will try to blob you with kitchen sink crap and you need an active repped setup to stay on field against that much incoming DPS long enough to kill anything.
Alot of people can't multibox scouts/logi/misc. other support. I wish folks would consider this when responding, or just outright state that neutral covops + logi + multibox capability is a requirement for highsec wars.
Also I love the Deimos. It can do 3k m/s heated, more with speed implants. Probably 4k with links and snakes.
I have taken a loan linksless kitey Tristan against a 15 man fleet consisting of 2 logi cruisers a Bob and 2 thoraxes with 10 assorted frigs and dessies. 10 kills later I regretted not having links when I finally got caught by a firetail who had reshipped. The moral of the story is blobbing is not king against prepared, skilled and creative individuals
Blobbing is king. Those people must have been spectacularly dumb and I would very much like to meet them.
Losing 10 ships to a 140 DPS max Tristan is worthy of some kind of medal.
Thank god for people that don't have drones on their overviews eh?
You can definitely ruin a small gang of highsec bads with the right ship and tactics, I just think an active rep fit is superior because while they tend have low actual DPS due to their fits being terrible at application, it adds up over time and a buffer fit doesn't have the same staying power in that situation.
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