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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.07.13 13:49:32 -
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there's a reason why my corpmate uses a sin |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.07.13 14:11:51 -
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Lan Wang wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Barrogh Habalu wrote:Well, they are not powerful as ships, they maybe are as bridges. The point of the discussion is to make them worth using as ships on grid rather than some mobile structure. I'm afraid that if I look at that page more closely, I'll discover that most often than not they are whoring on KM created by fuel bay worth of bombers. Hardly something to write home about. they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful? your point? [Hound, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Faint Warp Disruptor I Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Polarized Torpedo Launcher, Nova Rage Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot] Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II 900dps and a helv a lot cheeper. Context is important that hound will die before a panther
In a drop when every other stealth bomber has damps... i think not lol... again context
The reason why your blop doesnt die is the same reason the stealth bomber wont
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.07.13 14:22:06 -
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Stop being dumb or just stop posting. That also works. |
Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.13 14:26:58 -
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you showed 1 fit for 1 ship that has more power than a blops and is cheaper, yeah great but that bomber will die in nearly every situation when doing solo, the blops wont, if bombers are so great then why isnt this game bombers online?
and no my blops wont die becuase it has geckos, neuts, smartbombs, points, webs and over 60k ehp of tank, bombers die to gateguns instantly
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Tsukino Stareine
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Posted - 2015.07.13 14:27:51 -
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show me a killmail where a bomber solos a golem then we can start talking about how blops are useless. |
ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 14:48:25 -
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show me a solo blop mail...? (that isnt smart bombing on a gate)
Oh and wouldnt be done better with a T1 hull...
and when on earth did i say that fit was for solo work lol
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.07.13 14:48:53 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?
redeemer...yes. others need love. When people say blops are fine...I correct them and say redeemers are fine. Its my thing tbh.
Also have to remember blops are real careful about what they hot drop.
Unless I run the only ideal fit I have ever seen for widows (officer multi spec, shiny tank mods)....I would not drop a widow into a fight where more than can be jammed (me and other jammers in fleet) is buzzing around.
Especially if I cannot get a guarantee my boys will drop the surplus, for lack of better word, targets fast. You see with widow in the usual armour or jam spec fits....what I don't jam, what my boys do not kill quick enough will not have to work very hard to kill me.
Enter the officer fit with shiny tank. I can't afford to run it. be nice though. 3 officer multi's just a point or 2 shy of racial t2, I actually have a shield tank...be nice. just don't have the isk to burn to lose an assload of isk in officer mods alone.
Why I have seen blops used only in muggings if not bridging really. 5 on say 2...yeah they will win. that is damn near any fight with most ships really though. |
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Posted - 2015.07.13 14:56:38 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:show me a solo blop mail...? (that isnt smart bombing on a gate)
and when on earth did i say that fit was for solo work lol
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47839285/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47839291/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47831287/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47831301/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47817502/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/47806719/
you're idea that a bomber does more dps than a blops which renders the blops useless because something can do 1 thing better is totally flawed, i said solo because it doesnt matter how you paint it a blops will last longer than a bomber and a blops is more useful than a bomber because it can do more
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:03:35 -
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so of the 6...
one was a cyno
2 were'nt even solo
and 1 was a suicidal hero taclle
i clap for finding two (il give you an extra half for the hero tackle) ... that i can only put down to the stupidity of the pilots.... and would of been done better with a T1 hull
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:04:52 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
they are not powerful? are you being serious? dropping onto any target instantly at range with over 800dps is not powerful?
redeemer...yes. others need love. When people say blops are fine...I correct them and say redeemers are fine. Its my thing tbh.
and exactly what is wrong with the others? remote rep sins are a thing, panthers are pretty awesome, never flown a widow but i cant see the issue with blops, they jump in, kill stuf, mjd out, cloak and jump out, working as intended imo
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:06:04 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:so of the 6... one was a cyno 2 were'nt even solo and 1 was a suicidal hero taclle i clap for finding two (il give you an extra half for the hero tackle) ... that i can only put down to the stupidity of the pilots.... and would of been done better with a T1 hull
if you actually took time to look at the link i first posted instead assuming they were all km whoring bomber fleets you would see they are not.
now lets see your polarized 900dps solo bombers killmails
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:29:28 -
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Lan Wang wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:so of the 6... one was a cyno 2 were'nt even solo and 1 was a suicidal hero taclle i clap for finding two (il give you an extra half for the hero tackle) ... that i can only put down to the stupidity of the pilots.... and would of been done better with a T1 hull if you actually took time to look at the link i first posted instead assuming they were all km whoring bomber fleets you would see they are not. now lets see your polarized 900dps solo bombers killmails
I did... smartbombing, pos bashes, and the gank fleets... not really surprised...
As if my bomber is used for solo lol... i might as well ask to see your fleet fit blop go solo
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:37:41 -
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i would quite happily fly my fleet fit blops solo because the fit has everything a solo blops would have, you have been told they are gank ships anyway hense the name "black ops".
but that is the point my blops can be used in a fleet and solo, your bomber will just die horribly to anything it engages. so a blops is not useless.
anyway no point arguing as this is going nowhere, you stick to bombers, im quite happy with my panther
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ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:44:18 -
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Lan Wang wrote:i would quite happily fly my fleet fit blops solo because the fit has everything a solo blops would have, you have been told they are gank ships anyway hense the name "black ops".
but that is the point my blops can be used in a fleet and solo, your bomber will just die horribly to anything it engages. so a blops is not useless.
anyway no point arguing as this is going nowhere, you stick to bombers, im quite happy with my panther
Pfft you joking i use the right tool for the job... i have my panther too for fleet work. Or that bomber if we have enough blops. Il also use more effective ships that dont cost a bil to roam around in. (or at least more effective ships that do)
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:52:54 -
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ofcourse but any opportunity i will undock a blops over a bomber. the rest of your reply i didnt really understand :/
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Mister Holder
Faceless Men
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Posted - 2015.07.13 21:25:21 -
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I can use all Blops, with jump skills at 5, blops at 5, etc, etc.
They need some loving either through a boost to their stats, or a complete overhaul of their bonus abilities. Redeemer is pretty much the only one that could be considered semi-combat capable, and it lacks in a horrible way. It is not a ship I would ever consider taking out of the station without a fleet. They just don't feel like the type of ship they should by any standard. The cost of the hull, the time it takes to train one up, the time it takes to get the skills to a point where it is viable to use them, etc. They are lacking in a bad way. D-scan immunity would go a very long way to help them out.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.07.13 23:07:12 -
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did you even look at the character i linked on zkill? Solo blops (with hunter loki alt) is almost all he does. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.14 02:53:26 -
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T2 resists would be nice on a BLOPS BS.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.07.14 07:02:12 -
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Lan Wang wrote:that hound will die before a panther That's why you drop shitton of easy to train and replace bombers that do similar DPS each instead of using BLOPs on field. The latter is inferior choice, hence it may be considered "weak".
The point is not to make it strictly powerful, but to provide reasons to use it beyond lacking friends to gank someone in the middle of nowhere. |
Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.14 07:15:04 -
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people keep sayin they need loving but what is actually wrong with blops that they need loving? as i say i have no issues using my panther and every alliance i have been in have used them whenever possible, no point in t2 resists, cov ops cloaks or dscan immunity so i see nothing to really improve on that wouldnt make blops "op"
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2015.07.14 09:18:26 -
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am I the only one who thinks blops are fine for what they are? |
Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.14 09:25:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:am I the only one who thinks blops are fine for what they are?
no, i think the same
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2015.07.14 10:08:05 -
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Mister Holder wrote:So it seems like the entire ship tier rebalancing has hit a stale mate on all accounts (minus a few tweaks here and there i.e. Ishtar taking a stick up the pooper).... I am just wondering if CCP had any intentions of getting back to rebalancing all tiers, and finally giving the BLOPS class some much needed attention?
Any info would be much appreciated.
Given the cocnept of blops, I thikn it is better for them to finish the new SOV mechanics first. Then they will have a static target to aim on a tool that can be used effectively on that context.
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Kagura Nikon
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Posted - 2015.07.14 10:08:53 -
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Lan Wang wrote:people keep sayin they need loving but what is actually wrong with blops that they need loving? as i say i have no issues using my panther and every alliance i have been in have used them whenever possible, no point in t2 resists, cov ops cloaks or dscan immunity so i see nothing to really improve on that wouldnt make blops "op"
Well, they could be a bit less absurdly hard to fit :P Some 10% cpu for everyone would be great :P
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.14 10:12:12 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Lan Wang wrote:people keep sayin they need loving but what is actually wrong with blops that they need loving? as i say i have no issues using my panther and every alliance i have been in have used them whenever possible, no point in t2 resists, cov ops cloaks or dscan immunity so i see nothing to really improve on that wouldnt make blops "op" Well, they could be a bit less absurdly hard to fit :P Some 10% cpu for everyone would be great :P
really? ive never had cpu issues on my blops and it has everything it needs, bearing in mind i feel a blops should have as much faction mods as possible so maybe this helps with cpu issues?
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Evanga
Trust Doesn't Rust Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.07.14 10:42:16 -
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Just drop the fatigue, that is all. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:23:09 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Lan Wang wrote:people keep sayin they need loving but what is actually wrong with blops that they need loving? as i say i have no issues using my panther and every alliance i have been in have used them whenever possible, no point in t2 resists, cov ops cloaks or dscan immunity so i see nothing to really improve on that wouldnt make blops "op" Well, they could be a bit less absurdly hard to fit :P Some 10% cpu for everyone would be great :P really? ive never had cpu issues on my blops and it has everything it needs, bearing in mind i feel a blops should have as much faction mods as possible so maybe this helps with cpu issues?
It was long ago, but I remember when CCP increased the CPU of the mega because "A ship should be always possible to fit with T1 and T2 modules and never absolutely require faction modules for a basic fit".
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Tsukino Stareine
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Posted - 2015.07.14 13:17:37 -
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I don't think a t2 battleship comes under the realms of "basic fits" |
Sleepaz Den
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2015.07.14 13:45:13 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:I don't think a t2 battleship comes under the realms of "basic fits"
Basic fit, as in base or foundation. On a redeemer, 2 plates, 2 heat sinks, dcu and two platings are your *basic fit*, fyi. |
Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.14 13:50:32 -
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Sleepaz Den wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I don't think a t2 battleship comes under the realms of "basic fits" Basic fit, as in base or foundation. On a redeemer, 2 plates, 2 heat sinks, dcu and two platings are your *basic fit*, fyi.
but if you are fitting t1 modules to a blops then you are probably too poor to fly it and doing it all wrong
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