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Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.14 13:58:36 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Sleepaz Den wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I don't think a t2 battleship comes under the realms of "basic fits" Basic fit, as in base or foundation. On a redeemer, 2 plates, 2 heat sinks, dcu and two platings are your *basic fit*, fyi. but if you are fitting t1 modules to a blops then you are probably too poor to fly it and doing it all wrong
If you faction the **** out of it, your most likely using at to hotdrop scrubs that have 0 chance to fight back. Thats a pretty poor base for balancing a ship. It could have 100x the EHP and all that changes is what numbers you see on your fitting screen (already choose targets that wont kill you)
BO have 2 reason for use, bridge and hotdrop from high sec (low/null can use titan+capitals for same effect) Bringing the BO on grid is mainly for KM whoring or that you just dont have enough pilots to just send bombers/recon |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:20:03 -
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Haatakan Reppola wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Sleepaz Den wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I don't think a t2 battleship comes under the realms of "basic fits" Basic fit, as in base or foundation. On a redeemer, 2 plates, 2 heat sinks, dcu and two platings are your *basic fit*, fyi. but if you are fitting t1 modules to a blops then you are probably too poor to fly it and doing it all wrong If you faction the **** out of it, your most likely using at to hotdrop scrubs that have 0 chance to fight back. Thats a pretty poor base for balancing a ship. It could have 100x the EHP and all that changes is what numbers you see on your fitting screen (already choose targets that wont kill you) BO have 2 reason for use, bridge and hotdrop from high sec (low/null can use titan+capitals for same effect) Bringing the BO on grid is mainly for KM whoring or that you just dont have enough pilots to just send bombers/recon
thats the idea of a blops...dropping on something that doesnt stand a chance of winning, im not trying to balance anything i feel blops are fine as they are.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1225
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:46:47 -
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Sleepaz Den wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I don't think a t2 battleship comes under the realms of "basic fits" Basic fit, as in base or foundation. On a redeemer, 2 plates, 2 heat sinks, dcu and two platings are your *basic fit*, fyi.
This is your idea of a "basic fit"
that's not a standard set by CCP. |
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
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Posted - 2015.07.14 17:16:05 -
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Gotta say I am also wondering what the main "problem" with Blops Battleships is. They are niche, surgical tools primarily used for ganking or baiting. They are meant to either bridge, jump in, or uncloak, then gtfo. Giving gank ships a substantial tank feels wrong; your "tank" is the element of surprise.
That said, dscan immunity would certainly be cool, just not sure what use cases necessitate it.
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Konrad Kane
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Posted - 2015.07.14 18:34:00 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:the point is you drop on top of some unsuspecting ratter and take all his stuff and then disappear. Easier to just jump other ships. Theres a reason black ops arent used, too much effort for little gain.
I think that's the general problem with them. For the almost billion isk you pay for them everything else makes more sense to drop ships with. So you end up with a ship you just use to bridge.
They appear super tricky to balance so i don't really have an answer.
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.14 18:55:00 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:Gotta say I am also wondering what the main "problem" with Blops Battleships is. They are niche, surgical tools primarily used for ganking or baiting. They are meant to either bridge, jump in, or uncloak, then gtfo. Giving gank ships a substantial tank feels wrong; your "tank" is the element of surprise.
That said, dscan immunity would certainly be cool, just not sure what use cases necessitate it.
Im wondering how dscan immunity would benefit a blops, they dont roam because they have a jumpdrive, fit a mjd and it cloaks or warps, i see no real use for dscan immunity because if you see a blops then usually you are into armour and away to die
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Mister Holder
Faceless Men
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Posted - 2015.07.14 19:32:40 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:That said, dscan immunity would certainly be cool, just not sure what use cases necessitate it.
All cases. I would like to be able to use my Blops for more than a bridge. That is basically all it is at the moment. A big, highly skill intensive, expensive, shiny, pile of bridging. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2015.07.14 20:03:04 -
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Konrad Kane wrote:ChromeStriker wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:the point is you drop on top of some unsuspecting ratter and take all his stuff and then disappear. Easier to just jump other ships. Theres a reason black ops arent used, too much effort for little gain. I think that's the general problem with them. For the almost billion isk you pay for them everything else makes more sense to drop ships with. So you end up with a ship you just use to bridge. They appear super tricky to balance so i don't really have an answer.
You guys have it all wrong. Put everyone in a blops. Add a few bombers for quick point capability and go. It just feels good to drop 9 bil worth of blops BS on a ratting carrier or anything for that matter.
If you're going to have blops fun bring a pile of blops BS. Quite being a bunch of cheap scrubs. The bridge should only be used to bring a few quick locks and maybe a recon or two.
In todays risk averse world as soon as the cyno goes up, 99% of folks only think 'bug out!' so normally you just try to catch what doesn't run away fast enough. A blops BS would benefit more from a scan resolution bonus than anthing else, but that's a slippery slope and you'll end up w/ a redeemer on every LS gate in eve.
At the end of the day there is no way you can talk about half of the chumps in eve to jump a 1B+ BS into any pvp situation. They just won't do it. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.14 20:06:05 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:In todays risk averse world as soon as the cyno goes up, 99% of folks only think 'bug out!' so normally you just try to catch what doesn't run away fast enough. A blops BS would benefit more from a scan resolution bonus than anthing else.
this. i was actually thinking this today only thing i could see a blops with is a bonus to scan res
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Konrad Kane
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Posted - 2015.07.14 21:01:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote: You guys have it all wrong. Put everyone in a blops. Add a few bombers for quick point capability and go. It just feels good to drop 9 bil worth of blops BS on a ratting carrier or anything for that matter. .
Be nice to see your kill-mails on those ratting carriers. |
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1225
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Posted - 2015.07.14 22:31:30 -
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/47363082/
stop being so bad |
Orlacc
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Posted - 2015.07.15 02:29:58 -
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Was the Loki.
On topic though, blops are an expensive, long train niche item. But very good in that niche.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.15 08:07:22 -
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Mister Holder wrote:Chance Ravinne wrote:That said, dscan immunity would certainly be cool, just not sure what use cases necessitate it. All cases. I would like to be able to use my Blops for more than a bridge. That is basically all it is at the moment. A big, highly skill intensive, expensive, shiny, pile of bridging.
well thats your fault for only using at as bridge, its completely battle ready and its up to you to find the content to use it
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
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Posted - 2015.07.15 08:53:37 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Chance Ravinne wrote:Gotta say I am also wondering what the main "problem" with Blops Battleships is. They are niche, surgical tools primarily used for ganking or baiting. They are meant to either bridge, jump in, or uncloak, then gtfo. Giving gank ships a substantial tank feels wrong; your "tank" is the element of surprise.
That said, dscan immunity would certainly be cool, just not sure what use cases necessitate it. Im wondering how dscan immunity would benefit a blops, they dont roam because they have a jumpdrive, fit a mjd and it cloaks or warps, i see no real use for dscan immunity because if you see a blops then usually you are into armour and away to die
It would create too much of a problem: not detectable while warping in, not scannable when left alone at safespot and forgotten to cloak it while your combat ships do the work, and would increase their usefulness outside the gank scenario, in actual normal combat. It'd be hilariously good/useful for all the wrong reasons. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
947
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:31:21 -
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Make Etana a regular ship and give me a Scimitar, Guardian and Oneiros version of it.
Alternatively make a Nestor blop hull.
Thanks from your friendly neighborhood logi buddy.
Not today spaghetti.
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Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:46:49 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Make Etana a regular ship and give me a Scimitar, Guardian and Oneiros version of it.
Alternatively make a Nestor blop hull.
Thanks from your friendly neighborhood logi buddy.
A CovOps logi would be nice, ofc the repping power have to stay way behind normal logi but need good range on those reps (around Nestor ranges)
Current BO ships are more or less tied with their T1 counterparts for combat ability (spend the same isk on T1 and you get same or even better dps/ehp). 1vs1 a BO would never take the fight against an equaly fitted T1 battleship (1vs1 as in not dropping someone with shield/armor dmg or using more than 1 pilot total) |
Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
492
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Posted - 2015.07.15 16:15:55 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Make Etana a regular ship and give me a Scimitar, Guardian and Oneiros version of it.
Alternatively make a Nestor blop hull.
Thanks from your friendly neighborhood logi buddy.
Blops aren't supposed to go toe to toe with equal numbers of dedicated combat ships.
Damage, tank, and maneuverability; pick two, as having all three would be horribly unbalanced. Blops have absurd damage and extreme maneuverability.
If you want to fly blops logi, there are extremely good cloaky t3 fits that fit the bill just fine. Yes, you have to be disciplined with their use, but they shouldn't have the full functionality that normal T2 logistic ships have. A few blops BS, recons, and T3 logi can actually take a small fight and do great.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:32:37 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Make Etana a regular ship and give me a Scimitar, Guardian and Oneiros version of it.
Alternatively make a Nestor blop hull.
Thanks from your friendly neighborhood logi buddy.
Your desire to soil the majesty of blops fleets w/ logi sickens me.
You can't go into this blops stuff w/ the standard risk averse pansy point of view. This is not an activity for scrubs.
Man up and JUMP JUMP JUMP. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:18:03 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Make Etana a regular ship and give me a Scimitar, Guardian and Oneiros version of it.
Alternatively make a Nestor blop hull.
Thanks from your friendly neighborhood logi buddy. Your desire to soil the majesty of blops fleets w/ logi sickens me. You can't go into this blops stuff w/ the standard risk averse pansy point of view. This is not an activity for scrubs. Man up and JUMP JUMP JUMP.
we always have triage on standby when we blops and most of the sins are fitted with remote reps anyway :) blops is an adrenaline rush, i love it
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Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2015.07.15 20:21:45 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Make Etana a regular ship and give me a Scimitar, Guardian and Oneiros version of it.
Alternatively make a Nestor blop hull.
Thanks from your friendly neighborhood logi buddy. Your desire to soil the majesty of blops fleets w/ logi sickens me. You can't go into this blops stuff w/ the standard risk averse pansy point of view. This is not an activity for scrubs. Man up and JUMP JUMP JUMP.
You mean to say that blops is MORE risk averse than normal fleets, hotdropping is NOT a risky activity. Its the most risk averse form of PvP you will ever find (yes that include SRP fleets) |
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:56:31 -
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Haatakan Reppola wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Make Etana a regular ship and give me a Scimitar, Guardian and Oneiros version of it.
Alternatively make a Nestor blop hull.
Thanks from your friendly neighborhood logi buddy. Your desire to soil the majesty of blops fleets w/ logi sickens me. You can't go into this blops stuff w/ the standard risk averse pansy point of view. This is not an activity for scrubs. Man up and JUMP JUMP JUMP. You mean to say that blops is MORE risk averse than normal fleets, hotdropping is NOT a risky activity. Its the most risk averse form of PvP you will ever find (yes that include SRP fleets)
What's a SRP fleet?
EDIT ADD: I was saying that a lot of players are risk averse and won't ever ever ever jump a billion iks or better BS into any sort of pvp. Fleets (all types) are inanimate space pixel things and therefore are not measurable in terms of risk taking. Pilots are risk averse or not risk averse. When I blops (which is rare) I dual box a sin and a redeemer. I think that makes me stupid, but it doesn't slow me down.
I know a guy that won the original bpo lotteries and got a DCII bpo. He literally has over a trillion isk. He gets stressed flying t2 cruisers into pvp and when pods start popping he totally feaks out - he will never fly a blops into pvp. He's a poster child for risk aversion. If I had a trillion isk - I'd soloing Amamake every sunday night in a swaglefar. It's a pilot thing, not a fleet thing. |
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.16 19:17:24 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:
What's a SRP fleet?
Its a fleet that is covered by a "Ship Replacement Program" so basicly free ships for the pilots.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1214
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Posted - 2015.07.16 19:35:04 -
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Haatakan Reppola wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:
What's a SRP fleet?
Its a fleet that is covered by a "Ship Replacement Program" so basicly free ships for the pilots.
That's insane. How can large corporations and alliances afford to do that? Where do they get the isk?
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.16 19:40:35 -
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dunno but never had a blops srp'd, only ship that really never gets srp'd
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1201
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Posted - 2015.07.16 20:34:42 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Haatakan Reppola wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: What's a SRP fleet?
Its a fleet that is covered by a "Ship Replacement Program" so basicly free ships for the pilots. That's insane. How can large corporations and alliances afford to do that? Where do they get the isk?
If you only got two a month, one of them ain't happening and the other time you run when your second skythe goes down, that's not really expensive at all. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
902
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Posted - 2015.07.16 21:50:49 -
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They get SRP'd because they so rarely lose one lol
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2015.07.17 06:28:07 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:blops is for ganking, you pick a target you know you can kill. No need for increased combat stats otherwise they just become T2 battleships and would see regular use which is not the point of them. They're only for ganking because that's all they're good for. They need a cov ops cloak option that's not able to be onlined with GPG. They'd still be inferior for ganking in comparison to covert T3's so the argument they'd be OP is moot.
Wait... You were being sarcastic :)
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Lan Wang
V I R I I
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Posted - 2015.07.17 06:53:01 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:blops is for ganking, you pick a target you know you can kill. No need for increased combat stats otherwise they just become T2 battleships and would see regular use which is not the point of them. They're only for ganking because that's all they're good for. They need a cov ops cloak option that's not able to be onlined with GPG. They'd still be inferior for ganking in comparison to covert T3's so the argument they'd be OP is moot. Wait... You were being sarcastic :)
no they dont, stop being a scrub, cov ops cloak is utterly pointless on a ship with a jumpdrive. "inferior for ganking in comparison to covert T3's" lol ok
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2015.07.17 07:38:50 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:blops is for ganking, you pick a target you know you can kill. No need for increased combat stats otherwise they just become T2 battleships and would see regular use which is not the point of them. They're only for ganking because that's all they're good for. They need a cov ops cloak option that's not able to be onlined with GPG. They'd still be inferior for ganking in comparison to covert T3's so the argument they'd be OP is moot. Wait... You were being sarcastic :) no they dont, stop being a scrub, cov ops cloak is utterly pointless on a ship with a jumpdrive. "inferior for ganking in comparison to covert T3's" lol ok Jumpdrive is not useful for PvP, only dropping other ships onto a gank or travelling. Mobility, firepower, scan res, tank, warp speed, sig of T3 even with covert cloak are far superior to blops for actual pvp.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.17 08:30:50 -
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its already been established thats what blops are for, ganking, a cov ops cloak aint going to make them be used anymore because of the tank, align time, speed etc (imagine taking gates in a panther and jumping into a gatecamp, no way you are cloaking and getting away), a battleship is a roaming ship and suits that role better because it has tank to deal with other roaming ships, a blops is for suprise attacks, a t3 is not better at ganking because you need a bridge (titan, or a blops), you lose tons of dps having a t3 as a cov ops and once you bridge you have to roam home, a blops doesnt its a versatile hot dropping ship.
i certainly won't use a blops if they put a cov ops cloak on it and remove the jumpdrive because its ruining what the whole ship is about
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