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Hal Heluene
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.11 22:40:35 -
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First of all, let me say, I heard about this second hand. I think it was brilliant in the way the pulled it off, but can't help feel its an exploit. They no longer allow peeps to pull out of an orca once criminal, and they can't warp, once they undock in a new ship, but seems if a bowhead drops ships, they can just reship that way. As I understand the way it happened::
Freighter jumps gate, CODE (alt, who else), starts by bumping the freighter. Then comes in 2 bombers and a bowhead. They start killing freighter. Of course no way 2 can do the job. After they die, they get another alt to hit something to call away CONCORD. Then the bowhead drops 2 more bombers, and they jump into them and continue. This goes on for about 20 minutes and 25 bombers until they finally get the freighter with 3 bulkheads and nothing in hold.
https://zkillboard.com/system/30001381/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47788759/
So, I ask, Brilliant? or exploit?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.07.12 03:29:24 -
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It's called hyperdunking, it is officially considered to be creative gameplay, not an exploit.
CCP Falcon wrote:Since the introduction of the Bowhead freighter, weGÇÖve become aware of a tactic that has been introduced which has become known as GÇ£HyperdunkingGÇ¥. This involves leaving a grid where a criminal action occurs to draw away CONCORD and reshipping to continue shooting at a target. ThereGÇÖs been much discussion among members of the community regarding this tactic, and whether or not it is considered legitimate gameplay.
After meeting with members of the game design and customer support teams and discussing this in depth, we have come to the consensus that due to the fact no rules are being broken and any ship that is involved in a criminal act is being destroyed by CONCORD as intended, that this tactic is simply an unintended but legitimate use of new game mechanics, and is not in breach of the rules. Tactics similar to this have been used with previous hulls before the Bowhead was introduced, and have been considered perfectly legitimate in the past.
With this in mind, at this time we do not consider this tactic to be in breach of the game rules, and as such our customer support team will not be offering reimbursements for hulls lost in this manner.
Players are also reminded that if someone is criminally flagged, they are fair game to be attacked in self-defense. Feel free to use this to your advantage.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
98
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Posted - 2015.07.12 04:53:20 -
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So, yes, it is absolutely brilliant.
The New Order, bringing New Eden fresh content... DAILY.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Vivien Meally
Des-Meisters-Lakaien Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2015.07.12 11:12:34 -
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Just for me it is a exploit, because you avoid concord.
But CCP says its legal, because CCP dont know how to fix it. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2752
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Posted - 2015.07.12 11:20:42 -
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Don't you know OP? Any mechanic that can be used to do PVP in highsec is an exploit that needs to be "fixed".
But no, it's not an exploit because you don't actually avoid CONCORD in any way. There's nothing in the games rules that prohibits people from being able to shoot at you or operate a spaceship while criminal flagged. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1271
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Posted - 2015.07.12 11:21:11 -
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Vivien Meally wrote:Just for me it is a exploit, because you avoid concord.
But CCP says its legal, because CCP dont know how to fix it. But they don't avoid CONCORD. Otherwise they would not need so many destroyers.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Vivien Meally
Des-Meisters-Lakaien Brothers of Tangra
60
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Posted - 2015.07.12 11:24:26 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Vivien Meally wrote:Just for me it is a exploit, because you avoid concord.
But CCP says its legal, because CCP dont know how to fix it. But they don't avoid CONCORD. Otherwise they would not need so many destroyers.
I dont see any destroyers in this Killmail, only some Bombers. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1271
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Posted - 2015.07.12 11:30:49 -
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Vivien Meally wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Vivien Meally wrote:Just for me it is a exploit, because you avoid concord.
But CCP says its legal, because CCP dont know how to fix it. But they don't avoid CONCORD. Otherwise they would not need so many destroyers. I dont see any destroyers in this Killmail, only some Bombers. Oh you are right, they probably used bombers because this was in 0.9, because of the alpha
We will, we are worried about the player decline as well and try to kill as many newbros as we can to stop them from leaving the game out of boredom.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2752
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Posted - 2015.07.12 12:12:56 -
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It's 2015 and people still maintain that people exploding in highsec (something that has been happening consistently since highsec has existed) is in some way killing the game or hurting player retention or something, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. |
Vivien Meally
Des-Meisters-Lakaien Brothers of Tangra
60
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Posted - 2015.07.12 12:39:42 -
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Its ok to gang some Peoples in HiSec. And hisec gangs were always there. But not on the scale that we have its now. Since a couple of patches is hisec ganking has become much easier as before. Thx to Tornado, catalyst etc ... Earlier peoples have gank with Tempest. And now with Catalyst or Tornado. |
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lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
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Posted - 2015.07.12 12:57:53 -
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25 bombers for a single obelisk. Seriously what the hell? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.07.12 13:14:32 -
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Vivien Meally wrote:Just for me it is a exploit, because you avoid concord. Nope that doesn't happen, every ship that someone with a GCC timer boards is exploded in short order, by Concord. There is no avoidance going on.
Quote:But CCP says its legal, because CCP dont know how to fix it. CCP could fix it very simply if it was actually broken, by preventing people from boarding a ship while under a GCC timer; however, they don't see it as broken so they see no need to do so.
Quote:Its ok to gang some Peoples in HiSec. And hisec gangs were always there. But not on the scale that we have its now. Hisec ganking is incredibly easy to avoid, hyperbumping even more so, and on a per capita basis is extremely rare.
Quote:Since a couple of patches is hisec ganking has become much easier as before. Thx to Tornado, catalyst etc ... Earlier peoples have gank with Tempest. And now with Catalyst or Tornado. Would you rather go back to the days of being ganked by people using fully insured battleships? If ganking is so much easier than it has been in the past, why are so few doing it? Why are there only a very small number of dedicated groups that are able to raise the necessary numbers and funds to carry out hisec ganks?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
99
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Posted - 2015.07.12 13:37:18 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Vivien Meally wrote:Just for me it is a exploit, because you avoid concord. Every ship that someone with a GCC timer boards is exploded in short order, by Concord. The ships they board can't warp as per the fix to counter the boomerang exploit, so how are they avoiding Concord? Avoiding Concord is an exploit, if you suspect someone is doing so report them to CCP; it is not what is happening during a hyperdunk. Quote:But CCP says its legal, because CCP dont know how to fix it. CCP could fix it very simply if it was actually broken, by preventing people from boarding a ship while under a GCC timer; however, they don't see it as broken so they see no need to do so. Quote:Its ok to gang some Peoples in HiSec. And hisec gangs were always there. But not on the scale that we have its now. Hisec ganking is incredibly easy to avoid, hyperbumping even more so; ask Red Frog or PushX, two of the biggest players in the hisec hauling game, who manage to deliver >99% of their courier contracts despite the efforts of gankers. On a per capita basis it is extremely rare. Quote:Since a couple of patches is hisec ganking has become much easier as before. Thx to Tornado, catalyst etc ... Earlier peoples have gank with Tempest. And now with Catalyst or Tornado. Would you rather go back to the days of being ganked by people using fully insured battleships? If ganking is so much easier than it has been in the past, why are so few doing it? Why are there only a very small number of dedicated groups that are able to raise the necessary numbers and funds to carry out hisec ganks?
I like you, Jonah.
To answer your question - Why are there only a very small number of dedicated groups that are able to raise the necessary numbers and funds to carry out hisec ganks? - Because elite PvP.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Vivien Meally
Des-Meisters-Lakaien Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2015.07.12 13:51:24 -
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Elite PVP ... LOL ... HiSec ganking ... lol elite pvp. Hisec ganking is Pussy pvp |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24207
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Posted - 2015.07.12 14:20:27 -
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Vivien Meally wrote:Elite PVP ... LOL ... HiSec ganking ... lol elite pvp. Hisec ganking is Pussy pvp That's as maybe; you're better than some in that you recognise that it is PvP.
It's probably the most effective method of affecting the operations of those who use NPC corp alts for money making activities in support of their operations elsewhere. Hence there's plenty of nullsec players who indulge in hisec ganking, both using alts and their mains, to support their own operations elsewhere; are they also pussy PvPer's?
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Renegade Heart
Carebear Miners R Us
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Posted - 2015.07.12 15:36:58 -
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Vivien Meally wrote:Pussy pvp
Vivien Meally:
Kills 254 Solo Kills 0
Seems you know much about this category of PvP. |
Vivien Meally
Des-Meisters-Lakaien Brothers of Tangra
60
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Posted - 2015.07.12 15:53:30 -
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http://puu.sh/iWtEm/674bab3dcc.jpg |
ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.07.12 20:01:47 -
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Topic locked, the original thread was linked in the first reply.
Quote:Forum rules17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
ISD Supogo
Lieutenant Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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