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Geopoly
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.12 17:24:21 -
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I started mining in 1.0 and as soon as I switched from ventures to barges, I felt the rocks lack volume. I had to switch rocks too often. After moving to 0.5 I was disappointed as rocks there were the same size but rats were harder. With 4 mining ships (12 strips) boosted by orca, switching every 10-20 seconds becomes hard work.
I've been mining in 0.5 to 1.0 systems and most of ore belts contain rocks that last 2-3 cycles max. I was thinking about moving to WH but the risk and logistics scares me. Hunting anomalies in hisec is just not productive.
So is hisec limited to 2-3 mining laser cycle rocks? Is it possible to find find large ore asteroids in hisec? Is my only choice is to move to WH / null if I want larger rocks? Do WH corps need miners at all? Is mining in null slavery & exploitation? |
Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.12 19:11:34 -
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Nullsec ore anomalies have very very big asteroids, wormhole too but to daytrip with a mining fleet in them is complete madness. Both low and null sec asteroid belts are not really better in terms of size of rocks. With the new fozzie sov coming, smaller groups are supposed to be able to take and hold a little square with their name on it, so maybe less big renter slavery like it was everywhere for now ( I said maybe).
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.12 19:18:39 -
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Try ice mining if you want to minimize keyboard activity.
With ore, the size of the asteroids will build over about 3 days to their maximum size. If you mine the same belts every day they will never get big. If you go to an out of the way spot with no station in system you might find bigger rocks than what you are used to - in which case switch one of your barges for a freighter to minimize hauling. |
Geopoly
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.12 19:46:55 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Try ice mining if you want to minimize keyboard activity.
With ore, the size of the asteroids will build over about 3 days to their maximum size. If you mine the same belts every day they will never get big. If you go to an out of the way spot with no station in system you might find bigger rocks than what you are used to - in which case switch one of your barges for a freighter to minimize hauling.
The problem with Ice mining is that belt is empty after about 2h of mining. Currently I mine in 3 adjacent no station systems with POS (compression array) and added freighter. But the rocks are small. I guess I have to live with it.
I've also tried lvl 4 mining missions. I don't know why there are so many articles promising gold heaps in rewards. They are far inferior to regular mining in terms of ISK and require a lot of warping and ship switching / ore hauling. |
Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.12 21:58:19 -
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If you plan to actually set yourself in a wormhole, then I think it's a good idea, radically different from highsec mining too .
If you're not afraid of losing a lot of isk in the process that is, not sure if a highsec static is a good idea though, I sometimes go into highsec C1 or C2 to mine ABC in a prospect or do combat anomalies and fly around with a recon, lot of people fly in stealth bomber and such to wreck havok too.
But if you manage to find a quiet environment, you'll be able to mine a lot of ore just for yourself, and maybe ice too if you're lucky.
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2015.07.13 16:21:00 -
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If you want to mine volume, with the minimum of clicks, then 0.0 is where you want to be.
HS is no good, as you have already learned.
LS is no good, as it is barely better than HS and the risk and effort profiles are worse. It's actually safe, like most things in EVE, once you know how to do it right. But, since the yield is still miserably poor, it makes no sense to do it no matter how safe you make it.
WH is no good, as you can only mine from Grav sites. This means that a lot of the time there is zero ore in your WH and even when you get a Grav site it is not likely to wow you with the amount of ore in it. WHs are also far harder to render "safe" than any other mining location.
0.0 is good. You get all the yield you want from the combination of belts and anoms. It's safer than HS. You get better refines. Whats not to like? Just do it.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.07.13 21:13:45 -
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The largest asteroid I've ever seen was a Veldspar rock the size of a small moon. It had a diameter roughly the size of the entire asteroid belt.
The system residents had an unspoken agreement to never mine it. The asteroid was around for many months, and continued to grow.
Of course, one day someone came through and did mine it all. It never returned to its former glory. |
Taunrich Kaufmann
Executive Resources Group Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.07.14 07:24:34 -
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Asteroids grow over time. Theoretically the biggest would be in 0.0 space where there are fewer miners due to the increased risk. It's up to you to decide whether the risk/reward ratio is worthwhile.
Also, if you're mining solo your net profits p/h are going to be limited regardless of where you mine.
CEO, Executive Resources Group Ltd.
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Kaivar Lancer
Hier Trading Company
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Posted - 2015.07.14 10:47:30 -
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1) Mine in a high-sec pocket, or a lowly-populated region (e.g. Derelik).
2) I found that Plagioclase (sp?) asteroids have the highest maximum volume, compared to other high-sec asteroids. But it's worth less than Veldspar these days. |
erg cz
ErgoDron
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Posted - 2015.07.14 10:59:31 -
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Try to mine out this. Its a high sec, you are alone in a pocket, that is needed to be scanned down etc... There are more L4 missions like this, that offers tonns of asteroids to mine. Yes, in high sec. |
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Kaivar Lancer
Hier Trading Company
647
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Posted - 2015.07.14 12:56:57 -
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erg cz wrote:Try to mine out this. Its a high sec, you are alone in a pocket, that is needed to be scanned down etc... There are more L4 missions like this, that offers tonns of asteroids to mine. Yes, in high sec.
+1. Break Their Will is a lvl 1 mission that offers plenty of Scordite and Veldspar. |
Geopoly
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.14 13:01:05 -
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erg cz wrote:Try to mine out this. Its a high sec, you are alone in a pocket, that is needed to be scanned down etc... There are more L4 missions like this, that offers tonns of asteroids to mine. Yes, in high sec. I've looked at the topic of mining in L4 missions. I guess I will need a scanning alt. But I'm not sure it will be productive unless I find a system with heavy mission traffic. |
Saleani Tsolyani
Bey Su
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Posted - 2015.07.15 15:00:17 -
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People tend not to mine in systems that lack stations. As one example, the constellation of Frar in Metropolis is one highsec area with a number of stationless systems. In that constellation there are 51 asteroid (and 1 ice) belts in the 4 systems lacking a station. Depending on the economics of your situation, you may want to set up a small POS with a compression array and maybe ammo assembly array (so you can make fuel blocks and mining crystals). |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
347
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Posted - 2015.07.16 01:34:31 -
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Geopoly wrote:I've looked at the topic of mining in L4 missions. I guess I will need a scanning alt. I think he was suggesting that you accept the mission yourself from an agent. You clear the rats from the mission, but don't complete it. Then you can mine all the asteroids. Each day the mission respawns and you repeat for 7 days.
This is usually done by players who are paranoid about being ganked.
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erg cz
ErgoDron
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Posted - 2015.07.16 08:12:06 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Geopoly wrote:I've looked at the topic of mining in L4 missions. I guess I will need a scanning alt. I think he was suggesting that you accept the mission yourself from an agent. You clear the rats from the mission, but don't complete it. Then you can mine all the asteroids. Each day the mission respawns and you repeat for 7 days. This is usually done by players who are paranoid about being ganked.
There is no rat to kill in the mission I mentioned. But it is a third mission in chain, so you will have to kill rats in the first mission. But then you have 7 days of AFK mining with plenty of roids only for you. Never done this myself, but always saw this as missed opportunity as I get this mission chain a lot.
If you will jump into someone else mission roids will disapear when mission is complete. You need your own mission.
I also noticed even low sec ore in high sec combat anomaly once... Also good opportunity, IMHO. |
Rose Roses
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Posted - 2015.07.16 11:32:39 -
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Geopoly wrote:Do WH corps need miners at all?
We do mine, though not necessarily for the monetary gain, but rather to have alts occupied with lucrative activities while other activities like mapping, scouting or logistics are done on a main.
However Ore anomalies are sparse enough for even three people living in a hole, especially since you become so picky you only mine MAB and sometimes C or D cause that good rock is so far away... |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.16 13:41:24 -
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As mentioned, systems without stations don't get mines regularly. Also, systems with non-popular corporations (not fed or caldari navy for instance) will have better belts.
Basically you need to do some research. If it's out of the way or a highsec island, you'll get better belts. Simply put find less people.
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Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.16 19:43:32 -
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Some missions have massive Ore deposits. You can try finding those too. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.07.18 03:58:12 -
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Awkward Pi Duolus wrote:Some missions have massive Ore deposits. You can try finding those too. Level 3 Break Their Will is probably the best-known for mining (Veldspar & Scordite, roughly 50 or so asteroids). Also the mission objective can be obtained AFTER mining, but beware of others crashing your deadspace and triggering.
Level 2 Artifact Recovery is easily the oddest one: there is a small chance for an Arkonor asteroid to be spawned, and upon mining it, 6 NPC cruisers spawn and violence you. I lost my first Retriever (borrowed from a friend) on this one, and never found Arkonor in it again.
There are several more, but those are the most memorable for me.
Good place to check: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
EDIT: Note that the mission-space (everything, including NPCs and asteroids) re-spawns daily for one week (when the mission expires), until the mission objective it achieved. Complete the mission objective, and turn it in before expiry or suffer a standing loss. |
DHuncan
Minerva Group Scibere est Agere
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Posted - 2015.07.18 15:01:55 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:If you want to mine volume, with the minimum of clicks, then 0.0 is where you want to be.
HS is no good, as you have already learned.
LS is no good, as it is barely better than HS and the risk and effort profiles are worse. It's actually safe, like most things in EVE, once you know how to do it right. But, since the yield is still miserably poor, it makes no sense to do it no matter how safe you make it.
WH is no good, as you can only mine from Grav sites. This means that a lot of the time there is zero ore in your WH and even when you get a Grav site it is not likely to wow you with the amount of ore in it. WHs are also far harder to render "safe" than any other mining location.
0.0 is good. You get all the yield you want from the combination of belts and sites. It's safer than HS. You get better refines. You can upgrade the space. You can get bigger mining boosts. Whats not to like? Just do it.
My advice to the OP would be the same. It is often thought you have to be a great PvPer to move to nullsec or that those places are way too dangerous. This is only true if you go alone. Find yourself a good corporation or alliance to join and you will get the necessary coverage to be safer than you are in high sec. You will find the volume you want and will be mining the type of ores you choose.
What did you say about CODE?
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
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Posted - 2015.07.20 11:21:18 -
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Kiddoomer wrote:Nullsec ore anomalies have very very big asteroids, wormhole too but to daytrip with a mining fleet in them is complete madness. Both low and null sec asteroid belts are not really better in terms of size of rocks. And multiple battleship spawns.
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Whipple Shai
Time and all Eternity DeepSpace.
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Posted - 2015.07.21 14:43:20 -
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Geopoly wrote:Is mining in null slavery & exploitation?
It costs to live in null if you want to ship stuff back to Jita and sell it run a SRP, multiple POS's, yada, yada, yada. You can contribute via various different ways depending on the alliance. The DeepSpace Alliance has an Industrial wing where you don't have to PvP, but there are a couple 2hr mining ops/week were everything goes towards that corps cost of POS fuel, shipping expenses, etc.
I've lived in null for the better part of 2.5 years and I'm telling you its much safer and better ISK and LOTS more fun than dealing with high sec. Here's the recruitment thread for the aliance: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=404256&find=unread
I just joined this Corp 11 days ago but because of RL stuff I've only been able to log in for about 5 days and I've made about 3.8 billion ISK. I've got 8 accounts mining, 1 boosting and one killing rats that show up in the belts. There's plenty of ore. Come on down.
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Geopoly
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.21 14:54:58 -
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Well I think they need miners to raise their indexes while taxing them. I'm a bit scared of being used. |
Whipple Shai
Time and all Eternity DeepSpace.
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Posted - 2015.07.21 17:05:34 -
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Geopoly wrote:Well I think they need miners to raise their indexes while taxing them. I'm a bit scared of being used.
It's a win than win for everyone. You experience the social aspect of the game, make mad ISK and learn about mining in null which is much safer than hi sec and you're contributing toward something, being part of a team. As part of that it easier for the pvp people to defend the space. It's as simple as that.
If you're using a freighter in the belt you're taxing yourself since that removes a miner from your income stream. Mine in the system I'm, or another alliance member is in, and the boosts are provided; you just join the fleet and now that toon can fly a mining ship.
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.07.22 08:07:16 -
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Actually Yes. You find a Wormhole and go mining in nullsec.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
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Huttan Funaila
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2015.08.05 04:19:38 -
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Geopoly wrote:Well I think they need miners to raise their indexes while taxing them. I'm a bit scared of being used. There is no mechanism in the game to tax mining at the corp/alliance level. You will get taxed on beating up the rats that tried to beat you up (the game has a mechanism for taxing ratting bounties). |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1798
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Posted - 2015.08.05 16:16:59 -
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Huttan Funaila wrote:Geopoly wrote:Well I think they need miners to raise their indexes while taxing them. I'm a bit scared of being used. There is no mechanism in the game to tax mining at the corp/alliance level. You will get taxed on beating up the rats that tried to beat you up (the game has a mechanism for taxing ratting bounties).
refining can be taxed. it's indirect though |
Kestrix
Bedlam Escapees Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2015.08.08 23:17:41 -
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There are high security systems that are surrounded by low security space. I've found in the past that these systems are less mined due to the fact players have to travel through low sec to get to them. In high sec space these systems are where I'd expect to find the best belts. |
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