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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
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Posted - 2015.07.14 02:06:55 -
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Did someone say solo in EVE was dead?
Scroll down to next-to-last chart in link.
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-kills-of-2014-overview_14.html
And by a large margin too.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1881
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Posted - 2015.07.14 02:19:31 -
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Hyper dunking. Newbie duelling. Miner ganking. Anti-tackle.
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Starbuck05
Pretty Hate Machine. Symmetric Symbiosis
266
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Posted - 2015.07.14 09:09:29 -
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I would say that nr divided by 3 is the actual nr of actual solo pvp kills... Cause lets face it.. Most of those ",solo kills " are gotten by people who smartbomb pods
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2015.07.14 09:38:03 -
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Most likely miner-ganking and lowsec smartbombing makes the biggest part of the solo kills. However, when people yell that "solo is dead", they often mean that a single ship, supported by three Logistics and two offgrid T3 boosters is hardly "solo", but will show up as such in any statistic. Only a very small part of the kills involving only one shooter are actually from fights where one single guy in one single combat ship fights another guy in a combat ship. These graphs and tables are as useful as every statistic that guy makes ever: Not at all. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1280
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Posted - 2015.07.14 10:50:03 -
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Oh, look who is the #1 elite PvP corp!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
38688
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:20:28 -
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I may have a different view on things but I think it underestimates the true rate of solo pvp.
Anytime a rat has engaged someone (eg. Inside FW complexes) the kills record as not solo, even when a fight really was a solo pvp kill.
So there are a lot of kills occurring in lowsec that have 2 ships as aggressors when it is a 1v1 fight.
So the figures, to a degree, under record the amount of solo pvp occurring.
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Renegade Heart
Carebear Miners R Us
464
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:39:30 -
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But EvE is not a solo game! |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
344
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Posted - 2015.07.14 11:39:48 -
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Starbuck05 wrote:I would say that nr divided by 3 is the actual nr of actual solo pvp kills... Cause lets face it.. Most of those ",solo kills " are gotten by people who smartbomb pods
This, or the classic... "Solo with 3 guardian neutral alts" in Highsec.
What I find shocking was how many Ishtars/Vexor/Navy Vex died last year... I mean they were invincible last year right, which is why we nerfed all drone mods and sentries?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1888
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:53:15 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Oh, look who is the #1 elite PvP corp! Even the birds don't care.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11783
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:01:39 -
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From the article: Quote:75T damage was in highsec, 111 in lowsec, 155 in nullsec and 43 in WH space.
Just posting this here so that I dear high sec partisans friends can understand that a bunch of little frigates and the occasional frightwer going popin high sec doesn't make high sec "more dangerous", and that null (along with low) are still the destruction engines that make the EVE economy work.
You may now return to what ever bullshit that thread was actually about |
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
926
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:05:58 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Hyper dunking. Newbie duelling. Miner ganking. Anti-tackle. Though hyperdunking can not be done solo, it needs a second character to deploy ships.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
181
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:21:38 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:What I find shocking was how many Ishtars/Vexor/Navy Vex died last year... I mean they were invincible last year right, which is why we nerfed all drone mods and sentries?
After a year of everyone and their mother flying Ishtars and Tengus, what did you expect to have died the most? Surely not Drakes or Hurricanes I presume. (Hint: Only ships flown can get shot down.) |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
929
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:30:32 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:What I find shocking was how many Ishtars/Vexor/Navy Vex died last year... I mean they were invincible last year right, which is why we nerfed all drone mods and sentries? After a year of everyone and their mother flying Ishtars and Tengus, what did you expect to have died the most? Surely not Drakes or Hurricanes I presume. (Hint: Only ships flown can get shot down.) Angelica Dreamstar wrote:Though hyperdunking can not be done solo, it needs a second character to deploy ships. That won't appear on the killmail and thus not on the statistic. Therefore it counts as "solo". For you, yes. For every THINKING person who knows it can not be done solo, it doesn't.
It's like saying you went on a roam and killed people solo, with your ogb and logi alts.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
181
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:35:04 -
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You don't have to explain it to me. I don't consider it a solo kill, which is why I don't think this statistic is worth jack ****. Solo is still dead. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6364
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:35:45 -
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Wait a sec. Did someone just cite Gevlon as a source and they were being serious? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Just because his "stats" say it's so, doesn't mean it's actually so. Good luck finding all that solo PvP. The quickest route to it is climbing into a terrible fit frigate and flying into a blob. When one of them oneshots you, congrats, you just died in solo PvP.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1888
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:36:56 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:... Though hyperdunking can not be done solo, it needs a second character to deploy ships. Yes ... Post being how the solo stats are grossly inflated and useless. Jenn aSide wrote:Just posting this here so that I dear high sec partisans friends can understand that a bunch of little frigates and the occasional frightwer going popin high sec doesn't make high sec "more dangerous", and that null ... Plenty of little frigates roaming around Null Sec and orbiting FW plexes.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
181
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:37:09 -
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1295
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:45:17 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Sounds like from a bad looser who did not made it under the top ten.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1888
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:46:48 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:.. Sounds like from a bad looser who did not made it under the top ten. Those goggles filling up with delicious salty tears again?
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
345
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:55:22 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:From the article: Quote:75T damage was in highsec, 111 in lowsec, 155 in nullsec and 43 in WH space. Just posting this here so that I dear high sec partisans friends can understand that a bunch of little frigates and the occasional frightwer going popin high sec doesn't make high sec "more dangerous", and that null (along with low) are still the destruction engines that make the EVE economy work. You may now return to what ever bullshit that thread was actually about
Doesn't take a genius to figure out that total damage is a **** stat to use to prove your point... Since there are ships in null that CAN take so much more damage than anything in highsec
You want to pump your chest out like that big boy? Look at those lowsec numbers... that is where real pvp apparently takes place. Not your little blue donut ring.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1296
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Posted - 2015.07.14 15:58:53 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:.. Sounds like from a bad looser who did not made it under the top ten. Those goggles filling up with delicious salty tears again? Wait... your corp is not even on that list!
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
181
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Posted - 2015.07.14 16:07:35 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Doesn't take a genius to figure out that total damage is a **** stat to use to prove your point... Since there are ships in null that CAN take so much more damage than anything in highsec
True. Another point where the statistic is misleading at best. Nullsec PvP may yield more total damage in the end, but many of the ships lost in null are meant for PvP and unironically already replaced when they are lost (SRP 'n ****.). They can be seen as mere ammunition. People go into a big brawl knowing, that stuff on all sides will explode. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11784
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Posted - 2015.07.14 16:08:05 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:From the article: Quote:75T damage was in highsec, 111 in lowsec, 155 in nullsec and 43 in WH space. Just posting this here so that I dear high sec partisans friends can understand that a bunch of little frigates and the occasional frightwer going popin high sec doesn't make high sec "more dangerous", and that null (along with low) are still the destruction engines that make the EVE economy work. You may now return to what ever bullshit that thread was actually about Doesn't take a genius to figure out that total damage is a **** stat to use to prove your point... Since there are ships in null that CAN take so much more damage than anything in highsec You want to pump your chest out like that big boy? Look at those lowsec numbers... that is where real pvp apparently takes place. Not your little blue donut ring.
lol, 'real pvp', because smashing buttons in a video game makes you a man I guess.
Not surprising that you'd miss the point, but here it is again: The people (high sec people) who like to point at the star map (that just lights up with kills but doesn't tell you the circumstances) and proclaim that high sec is THE main event in EVE, they are wrong, that crown belongs to null (you know, that space with a FRACTION of high sec's population), with low sec in second place.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2015.07.14 16:18:42 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Doesn't take a genius to figure out that total damage is a **** stat to use to prove your point... Since there are ships in null that CAN take so much more damage than anything in highsec You want to pump your chest out like that big boy? Look at those lowsec numbers... that is where real pvp apparently takes place. Not your little blue donut ring. But it is ISK damage and not HP damage. Go on, make something else up to discredit the list.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
181
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Posted - 2015.07.14 16:38:45 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:But it is ISK damage and not HP damage. Go on, make something else up to discredit the list.
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.14 16:44:42 -
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I dont care much for the data here. I however will say that real solo pvp'rs do exist, as I am one. No links, alts, scouts, HG tank implants etc. I do use an HG jackal set in one of my clones to help defend against ECM for minny ships bit thats pretty much it.
Now i cant fight 20 ppl in a BS like is portrayed in videos of people using links, but i am able to hold my own in most 1v1 to 1v5's. Just about dividing and conquering.
I roam null and low. Sometimes get the occasional fight from a WT in HS. Regardless though, solo pvp is not dead. Just most people dont know how or care to do it. I used to be in nullblobs, but it was boring and too easy. Then started joining home d fleets and that was a lot more fun as it was a smaller group of people to fight against. Then that became too easy. So i roamed solo.
To those that reference EVE as an MMO, and say its supposed to be gang fights is dumb. Its a sandbox, we play it how we want. Regardless if i am playing solo, i am still interacting with other people and not NPCs.
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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp Chao3 Alliance
269
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Posted - 2015.07.14 16:52:13 -
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Stitch Kaneland wrote:To those that reference EVE as an MMO, and say its supposed to be gang fights is dumb. Its a sandbox, we play it how we want. Regardless if i am playing solo, i am still interacting with other people and not NPCs.
Well said!
Regarding the numbers from the blog referenced by the OP, I can say that even if I am also playing solo, my fleet composition is rarely only one pilot. I do not know if the data means only one pilot on the kill mail or if this really account for fleet size at the time of the kill.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1888
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Posted - 2015.07.14 17:09:21 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Those goggles filling up with delicious salty tears again? Wait... your corp is not even on that list! Jenn aSide wrote:lol, 'real pvp', because smashing buttons in a video game makes you a man I guess. (I always imagine Jenn as one of those plump guys who keeps hitching his pants closer to his arm pits over his stomach, that corners people at parties to try explain to them how Jenn sees the world).
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
345
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Posted - 2015.07.14 17:18:56 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Doesn't take a genius to figure out that total damage is a **** stat to use to prove your point... Since there are ships in null that CAN take so much more damage than anything in highsec You want to pump your chest out like that big boy? Look at those lowsec numbers... that is where real pvp apparently takes place. Not your little blue donut ring. But it is ISK damage and not HP damage. Go on, make something else up to discredit the list.
Her quote directly claimed DAMAGE. Also, same applies. A Titan is going to cost more than 20 bling fit marauders... nothing in Highsec can get remotely close to the isk/HP of null.
But continue to spin please, it is amusing seeing CODE coming to Jenn's defense... again
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
930
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Posted - 2015.07.14 17:22:30 -
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I like how this escalated.
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