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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:21:36 -
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not really, whats it matter to you how someone else plays the game? they are doing a vital service that keeps the game turning. I mine everything, gas, ore and ice. I also do PvP, who cares how i play? why dont you CODE people mind your of crap and stay out of how other people play? |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1184
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:23:26 -
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2006 called, they want their ideas back.
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Keno Skir
744
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:23:44 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:not really, whats it matter to you how someone else plays the game? they are doing a vital service that keeps the game turning. I mine everything, gas, ore and ice. I also do PvP, who cares how i play? why dont you CODE people mind your own crap and stay out of how other people play?
I literally just explained about CODE a few posts up. Are you deliberately ignoring the information so you can repeatedly ask why CODE want to sh*t in your cereal?
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13656
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:32:49 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:why dont you CODE people mind your own crap and stay out of how other people play?
This isn't even almost funny, it's outright hilarious.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
89
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:35:03 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:why dont you CODE people mind your own crap and stay out of how other people play? This isn't even almost funny, it's outright hilarious.
why? what gives you the right to decide who's play style is correct? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13656
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:36:08 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:why dont you CODE people mind your own crap and stay out of how other people play? This isn't even almost funny, it's outright hilarious. why? what gives you the right to decide who's play style is correct?
The Savior of Highsec, of course.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Fugly Isktaker
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:37:18 -
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Exhumers now get automatic CONCORD escort.
/thread |
Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
89
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:38:39 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:why dont you CODE people mind your own crap and stay out of how other people play? This isn't even almost funny, it's outright hilarious. why? what gives you the right to decide who's play style is correct? The Savior of Highsec, of course.
funnily enough, i dont live in highsec, i despise highsec and think that the only thing concord should protect are the trade hub and surrounding systems. that does not give ANYONE the right to dictate to anyone else, the 'saviour' of highsec can swing, most likely from his over inflated ego, why doint you come out to null and try to take some sov? |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
946
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:38:45 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:why dont you CODE people mind your own crap and stay out of how other people play? This isn't even almost funny, it's outright hilarious. why? what gives you the right to decide who's play style is correct? Please stop that nonsense. The game allows others to do it, therefore they have the right to do it. It is a game! The community as a whole is long past these discussions. If you don't like it, figure out anway around it. Victims get crushed in EVE, that's the game.
2012 called and they want their nonsense back!
TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
946
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:39:40 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:why dont you CODE people mind your own crap and stay out of how other people play? This isn't even almost funny, it's outright hilarious. why? what gives you the right to decide who's play style is correct? The Savior of Highsec, of course. funnily enough, i dont live in highsec, i despise highsec and think that the only thing concord should protect are the trade hub and surrounding systems. that does not give ANYONE the right to dictate to anyone else, the 'saviour' of highsec can swing, most likely from his over inflated ego, why doint you come out to null and try to take some sov? Look who can't differentiate between game and reality...
TSHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
89
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:40:08 -
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Fugly Isktaker wrote:Exhumers now get automatic CONCORD escort.
/thread
and what would that solve? it would push even more players to afk, i'd like mining to become more active with more ships including a capital to mine with. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1314
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:41:23 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:seriously CODE, please just leave the thread, we all know you all would be happier if nothing was player made and it all just magically spawned out of no where, like every other game out there. We are talking about wanting to revamp mining as a whole, not just in highsec, so please, if you are not going to actively contribute, then please just leave and let other people with actual imput to the topic at hand have a decent and rational conversation.
EDIT:- Lets get back on topic here, this isn't about using procurers or skiffs in highsec, or CODE's circle jerking. Calm down miner! How can you even consider a discussion about mining without involving the official Highsec mining authority? That's just silly.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13665
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:41:33 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:that does not give ANYONE the right to dictate to anyone else
That would be my guns and my warp scrambler. They certainly have that right.
Quote: why doint you come out to null and try to take some sov?
Why? We're already the sole sov holding alliance for all of highsec. That's a big enough job as it is. There really aren't that many of us, you understand.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
89
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:43:38 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:seriously CODE, please just leave the thread, we all know you all would be happier if nothing was player made and it all just magically spawned out of no where, like every other game out there. We are talking about wanting to revamp mining as a whole, not just in highsec, so please, if you are not going to actively contribute, then please just leave and let other people with actual imput to the topic at hand have a decent and rational conversation.
EDIT:- Lets get back on topic here, this isn't about using procurers or skiffs in highsec, or CODE's circle jerking. Calm down miner! How can you even consider a discussion about mining without involving the official Highsec mining authority? That's just silly.
as i've said, discussions regarding mining should not be dictated by CODE and revolve around highsec. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
921
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:46:23 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:why dont you CODE people mind your own crap... But that's exactly what they are doing.
Kestral Anneto wrote:why? what gives you the right to decide who's play style is correct? There's no absolute correctness, there's outcome of superposition between different people's decisions and game mechanics.
What we have now is a thread that is a collection of old ideas that never got implemented or even commented on by high-ups. Is it not fair that one doesn't expect a lot of on-topic responses and no derailing? |
Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
75
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:47:09 -
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To come back on topic, a mining revamp could have I guess 3 ways to do it :
- New mechanics like comet mining, a way to mine moon goo or even PI actively in space
- New ships, be it a complete rework of the Rorqual or a bigger mining ship than exhumer (not with a bigger yield than Hulk) with one or more useful ability (not boosts)
- More work related to refining or to get bonused (5 and 10%) ores, with a new module working differently or new mining methods (mini-game or something else)
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Lady Areola Fappington
2581
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:47:26 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:
why? what gives you the right to decide who's play style is correct?
Well, if you want to get really technical CCP has given me the right to decide who's play style is correct. They do this by giving me the ability to impact another person's play, should I so choose (within the EULA/ToS limits, of course)/
I can decide tomorrow that I no longer wish to see miners flying in the system I have claimed as my home, and as long as I have the means and ability to enforce this action, guess what....miners will not be flying in my home system!
7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided.
--Eve New Player Guide
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
90
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:47:57 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:that does not give ANYONE the right to dictate to anyone else
That would be my guns and my warp scrambler. They certainly have that right. Quote: why doint you come out to null and try to take some sov? Why? We're already the sole sov holding alliance for all of highsec. That's a big enough job as it is. There really aren't that many of us, you understand.
your guns and scrams give you the ability to gank and mess with other people. hell, im not even against ganking, what ever floats your boat. Its the sheer sense of entitlement that you CODE people have, its astounding. tell you what though, if CODE actually came into null and took proper sov, rather than deluding yourselfs with this entire highsec sov nonsense, id be willing to listen to you, but not before then. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13666
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:52:50 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote: your guns and scrams give you the ability to gank and mess with other people.
Which is precisely why I have the right to do so. There is no difference in a videogame between something that I have the ability to do, and something that I have the right to do.
The ruleset permits it. I have the right to do so.
Quote: if CODE actually came into null and took proper sov, rather than deluding yourselfs with this entire highsec sov nonsense, id be willing to listen to you, but not before then.
If you could just switch to a different line instead of repeating "go to nullsec", I might get a Miner Bingo. Would you mind mixing it up?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
90
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:53:01 -
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Kiddoomer wrote:To come back on topic, a mining revamp could have I guess 3 ways to do it :
- New mechanics like comet mining, a way to mine moon goo or even PI actively in space
- New ships, be it a complete rework of the Rorqual or a bigger mining ship than exhumer (not with a bigger yield than Hulk) with one or more useful ability (not boosts)
- More work related to refining or to get bonused (5 and 10%) ores, with a new module working differently or new mining methods (mini-game or something else)
the comet mining and moon goo mining ideas would be awesome, i'm not sure about the PI though. Maybe have introduce a varient of the Rorq that could actively mine moons? As for new mining ships, i'd like to see mining ships of the three varients on the size of an orca. I read a thread a while ago regarding an idea that wgen you scanned a rock, it would throw up a heat map of the rock, with the highest densities being marked, so you can actively pick out the bets ore for the rock. |
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1314
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:55:40 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Calm down miner! How can you even consider a discussion about mining without involving the official Highsec mining authority? That's just silly. as i've said, discussions regarding mining should not be dictated by CODE and revolve around highsec. It's like you want to build a bridge but ban all the engineers from the planing phase... reconsider!
All I do in the game revolves around mining, I am an expert on the topic (I'm also an elite PvP legend, #74 in 2014). Why would you not embrace such an expert in your important discussion?
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Lady Areola Fappington
2582
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:56:57 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote: Its the sheer sense of entitlement that you CODE people have, its astounding. tell you what though, if CODE actually came into null and took proper sov, rather than deluding yourselfs with this entire highsec sov nonsense, id be willing to listen to you, but not before then.
Yes, because saying "LoL play the way I want you to, ganker scrub" comes purely from a position of humility and acceptance of other people's play styles.
Excuse me sir, would you mind addressing the plank in your eye, before giving me a hand with the speck in mine?
7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided.
--Eve New Player Guide
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13668
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Posted - 2015.07.15 12:59:37 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Excuse me sir, would you mind addressing the plank in your eye, before giving me a hand with the speck in mine?
I've always thought that this was very allegorical about the average miner.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
90
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:05:52 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote: Its the sheer sense of entitlement that you CODE people have, its astounding. tell you what though, if CODE actually came into null and took proper sov, rather than deluding yourselfs with this entire highsec sov nonsense, id be willing to listen to you, but not before then. Yes, because saying "LoL play the way I want you to, ganker scrub" comes purely from a position of humility and acceptance of other people's play styles. Excuse me sir, would you mind addressing the plank in your eye, before giving me a hand with the speck in mine?
not at all, i dont mind CODE ganking and doing what CODE does, but, please, for the love of BoB, knock the chip off your shoulder. I mean come on "Saviour of High Sec" and "High Sec Sov Holders", you people act religious and James315 is your ******* pope. This thread was about how to revamp mining as a mechanic, not about CODE. So, one last time, if you have nothing constructive to add to the thread about how mining mechanics can be changed in such a way as to improve them, please leave. |
Lady Areola Fappington
2583
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:16:20 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I've always thought that this was very allegorical about the average miner.
I'd have to say i agree, yep. There's a pretty steady level of hypocrisy falling out of the typical miner who hates gankers. "I just want to be left alone to play the game like I want. Someone should stop those other people from playing the game like they want!"
Now, to get on-topic, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the entire concept of mineral mining as we know it in Eve is basically flawed. The core mechanic of it just doesn't work well with the way Eve plays now, and no matter how many band-aids we try to stick on this sucking chest wound, it isn't going to be fixed.
I honestly think we should just scrap the whole idea of a player directly controlling the base resource acquisition process. Boiled down to the basics, all mining is ends up being "generate X units of resource out of thin air in Y time minus skill level. To fix mining, that equation needs to change into "Resources=Time minus skill level minus player activity level multiplied by risk"
I personally don't know of a good way to do that.
7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided.
--Eve New Player Guide
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13671
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:21:20 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote: I mean come on "Saviour of High Sec" and "High Sec Sov Holders", you people act religious and James315 is your ******* pope.
Tell me you can't picture this face doffing a long white miter. I dare you.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
922
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:44:58 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:Maybe have introduce a varient of the Rorq that could actively mine moons? I'd rather go with an old idea that current moon extractors should be replaced with some sort of "orbital industrial laser" that "chips" on moons when activated, creating debris in space to be mined by mining ships for moon goo.
There you go, uses either current or any replacement mechanics for mining, offers natural opportunities for players to interact in space, don't shake up global economy in unmanageable ways unless you are specifically aiming at revamp. |
Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
91
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:48:08 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Maybe have introduce a varient of the Rorq that could actively mine moons? I'd rather go with an old idea that current moon extractors should be replaced with some sort of "orbital industrial laser" that "chips" on moons when activated, creating debris in space to be mined by mining ships for moon goo. There you go, uses either current or any replacement mechanics for mining, offers natural opportunities for players to interact in space, don't shake up global economy in unmanageable ways unless you are specifically aiming at revamp.
So sort of like the planet crackers from Dead Space? I fully support that idea, it would be awesome. |
Lady Areola Fappington
2584
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Posted - 2015.07.15 13:54:53 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Kestral Anneto wrote:Maybe have introduce a varient of the Rorq that could actively mine moons? I'd rather go with an old idea that current moon extractors should be replaced with some sort of "orbital industrial laser" that "chips" on moons when activated, creating debris in space to be mined by mining ships for moon goo. There you go, uses either current or any replacement mechanics for mining, offers natural opportunities for players to interact in space, don't shake up global economy in unmanageable ways unless you are specifically aiming at revamp.
What I'd like to see (and sadly it's likely pretty impossible in Eve), is something more along the lines of a "capture" mechanic for mining.
Along the lines of, a miner (or more preferably a mining group) finds an asteroid. They have to scan and analyze it to determine mining yield. Then using something like tractor beams, built-on rockets, or the like, they have to physically move the asteroid from it's location to a deployable type dohickey elsewhere, for it to be broken down into minerals. Maybe throw in a few steps and some time lag for refining, to make group/corp style play more attractive. Then they can take the minerals, and do what they will.
Every step of the way, make it something that requires active attention on the part of the miners. Include some PVP risk in the endeavour, then make the payoff be worth it. No more "park ship start beams and wait".
7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided.
--Eve New Player Guide
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Jhani Bralhast
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.07.15 14:01:52 -
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Seen this thread and wanted to toss my two cents in as I'm pretty well 99% a miner in this game. That's pretty much all I do because I want to branch out into major manufacturing, which in of itself is a very long and tough slog with much dedication before seeing any profitable results, but I digress.
To me it seems the majority of gripes by miners focuses not on making it 'easier' (which would be a cop-out) but the balance of effort and reward offered in mining with the way it's currently set up in the game.
Miners are gank targets; they will always be gank targets. This dynamic will never change as it is based on player behavior and is not dependent on system security ratings. But perhaps it is frustrating having a perpetually-painted bulls-eye on your back while also participating in one of the most mundane and unrewarding activities in the EVE universe. Mining - as it currently is in this game - is not a skill. Anyone can do it and make a small fortune of pocket change within a short period and investment of skill points.
Anyone who commits to mining as a primary career should be rewarded for such efforts somehow, making a career miner a more specialized and rewarding profession than it currently is - but perhaps also more interactive and challenging in order to both increase player stimulation and weed out the 'AFK miners'.
Some previous posters in this thread may have touched upon similar ideas which influenced me, so I do not claim sole credit for the following suggestions:
- An 'expert' mining strip miner/laser that requires constant manual re-calibration in order to extract the most quantity and/or most exotic minerals efficiently. This would pretty muck kill the 'AFK miner' and make the most-efficient mining a very intensive skill - also possibly diverting one's attention away from one's defense.
- Mining probes which could scan hidden asteroid belts that others would not find or reach so easily.
- The ability to pay off NPC belt rats to avoid harassment while mining. I envision a different way of 'dealing' with hostile NPC's as a means to encourage more miners into low-sec mining, where the more-powerful rats would otherwise mean miners might need an escort to survive. One used to be able to pay pirates a ransom in order to be released unharmed in the age of sail. Why not in space?
- Some minute exotic minerals in all asteroids that could be extracted by the most-skilled miners and refiners. Would perhaps encourage miners to attempt manufacturing if given a wider variety of minerals, even in tiny quantities.
- Longer re-spawn times on common asteroid belts in higher-populated systems. This would force career high-sec miners to go out and hunt and explore for more resources.
These ideas are not intended to make mining easier, but to make it far more player interactive and rewarding for hardcore miners while also making such rewards more difficult for the more casual or multi-account miner to exploit at the same time.
The lack of such rewards doesn't dissuade me from being a miner. I enjoy the idea of building and creating as opposed to the constant pew-pew that dominates the universe around me. It will always be my goal, but a little bit of glamor and respect for my chosen profession wouldn't be a bad thing, either.
Oh well, back to the asteroid fields. My mining crystals are getting cold and my manufacturing queues are almost finished... |
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