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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
980
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Posted - 2015.07.20 10:04:37 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:I once white knighted against a group of Russian gankers operating in Lanngisi who had another Marmite in their group because he was scaring off my targets (this was eventually dealt with) but in the mean while I decided to kill suspects and what not but found they got quite a bit more upset when the target survived. I took it a step further and fitted 2 large rep ospreys and followed their scout about with my own.
It was quite rewarding with the Ruskie tears (google translate probably made it funnier then it was originally) until I saved a praticular RNI bearing it up like a boss with a blinged fit. I brought the ospreys in behind the gankers and as they lit him up I saved him too. He dipped low into structure but my heated reps kept him up just. After the agressors were all popped did I get a thank you? No instead this pilot decided to lock up my ospreys who were now aligning out and start firing... After warping off I tried to convo him and was blocked... Ok he must have thought I was a ganker so I explained to him in local with the other osprey and he blocked it too... If only I had let him shoot the other osprey too because I would have had my own RNI mail from the ungrateful bear who never even left the mission pocket even with 30% structure. This is why I do not white knight much as the bears for the most part are not worth saving Yeah some people are just so ungrateful, but you had fun doing it, which is the main thing. What you should do is send him a bill for services rendered as you are now a Merc and if he does not pay war dec him... I killed it later by can flipping him since he was willing to shoot my ospreys
Well he deserved it, nice one!!!!
Ella's Snack bar. With all the data supplied on API/CREST the game should be renamed to Jabber Online, look something to kill, ping everyone!!!!
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Requimaryon
88th Armored Division Corporation
8
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Posted - 2015.07.20 11:35:18 -
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If hi-sec gankers are bullies like it is said, just STOP talking to/about them. Bullies are attention starved people. They do it because they are flawed, have a need to fill a void but they don't know any way other than doing harm to get attention. So if you really think that way, again I repeat, STOP talking to/about them on the forums or in the game, just ignore their existance and the problem will go away instantly.
If by any chance they are reasonable people just having fun shooting other people who thinks they are safe just because they are in hi-sec, well then this will not make them quit ganking you. Because they are having fun, probably more than you.
I have nothing against hi-sec ganking, especially if it is done for profit. My only complaint is there is not many things that can go wrong for gankers. I mean everybody seems to talk about EVE being risky all around including hi-sec etc, but for gankers, they don't have to risk much and there is no good mechanic that will make them sweat, outsmart the opponent or whatever. There is no "fight" between the ganker and the ganked. I don't know what would you implement to make it happen, I have no idea, but that is the only think that bothers me. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1110
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Posted - 2015.07.20 11:49:30 -
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carebears are bullies, they are always posting these hate threads on the forums and trying to hurt peoples feelings, its not really nice, gankers have feelings too you know
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13741
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Posted - 2015.07.20 11:53:32 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:More people need to just play this in the background while they play eve
Was hoping for "No Rest for the Wicked", was pleasantly surprised. Would click again.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Lady Areola Fappington
2627
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Posted - 2015.07.20 12:16:35 -
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Requimaryon wrote:If hi-sec gankers are bullies like it is said, just STOP talking to/about them. Bullies are attention starved people. They do it because they are flawed, have a need to fill a void but they don't know any way other than doing harm to get attention. So if you really think that way, again I repeat, STOP talking to/about them on the forums or in the game, just ignore their existance and the problem will go away instantly.
If by any chance they are reasonable people just having fun shooting other people who thinks they are safe just because they are in hi-sec, well then this will not make them quit ganking you. Because they are having fun, probably more than you.
I have nothing against hi-sec ganking, especially if it is done for profit. My only complaint is there is not many things that can go wrong for gankers. I mean everybody seems to talk about EVE being risky all around including hi-sec etc, but for gankers, they don't have to risk much and there is no good mechanic that will make them sweat, outsmart the opponent or whatever. There is no "fight" between the ganker and the ganked. I don't know what would you implement to make it happen, I have no idea, but that is the only think that bothers me.
The fight vs a ganker starts well before antimatter starts flying. The easiest way to defeat a ganker is to keep an eye on local, and local space around your ship. Unknown person starts cuddling up next to your barge, dock. Bunch of blinky Reds pop up in local, dock.
This is how a miner beats gankers. If the gankers are on grid, it's too late.
The problem is, running away doesn't fulfill the "good guy fight back and defeats baddies " trope that people have come to expect from games.
A ganker isn't playing the same game most eve players are playing, so to speak. You cannot defeat them by killing the ships, as the ships are a disposable item anyway. You can't ISK war them, as the vast majority don't care about losing spacebux to get a kill.
The sole motivation for a ganker is to get a kill. You deny the kill (and tears), then you've denied them the one thing they wanted. The most effective way to do that is to be ATK, paying attention, and docking up when baddies arrive.
7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?
No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided.
--Eve New Player Guide
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2795
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Posted - 2015.07.20 12:20:43 -
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Lan Wang wrote:carebears are bullies, they are always posting these hate threads on the forums and trying to hurt peoples feelings, its not really nice, gankers have feelings too you know You have no idea how bad carebears actually are until you pop one and then get a mail/convo from one and the entire thing is just a continuous stream of death threats, racial and homophobic slurs and accusations about you being a child molester. Mission bears are by far the worst when it comes to doing that kind of thing
Miners are usually all sad and intent on playing the victim maybe with some indignant anger thrown in. Mission bears just totally lose their **** and turn into some kind of terrible hate volcano.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1242
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Posted - 2015.07.20 12:52:43 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:The sole motivation for a ganker is to get a kill. You deny the kill (and tears), then you've denied them the one thing they wanted. The most effective way to do that is to be ATK, paying attention, and docking up when baddies arrive. In other words, follow The Code.
The ganker-gankee relationship is the classic predator vs. prey one. The rabbit doesn't "win" by whipping out a katana and chopping the oncoming wolf into pieces. No, that rabbit wins by either never being seen by that wolf, evolving into a porcupine (some how - ok, this part of the analogy is a little weak) too tough for the wolf to bite, or just dashing into his burrow at the last second with his carrot leaving the wolf howling in frustration outside.
You can easily beat the gankers. I know it may not feel like it, but every time you dock safely with your ore or cargo you have beaten them. Unlike the rabbit though, you can also go out and spoil their efforts too. The punitive highsec mechanics are such that if you know where the gankers are operating it is trivial to beat them if you so desire. It probably isn't worth the effort most of the time to save ungrateful AFK players, but if you want to there is a whole community of Anti-Gankers that do this in their spare time.
But as the Lady says, the best way to beat them is to not let them catch you in the first place, and if they do, save your tears and just congratulate them on their win and move on. Then let just let it go and be more careful in the future, or start plotting your delicious in-game revenge against them. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1357
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:10:53 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Lan Wang wrote:carebears are bullies, they are always posting these hate threads on the forums and trying to hurt peoples feelings, its not really nice, gankers have feelings too you know You have no idea how bad carebears actually are until you pop one and then get a mail/convo from one and the entire thing is just a continuous stream of death threats, racial and homophobic slurs and accusations about you being a child molester. Mission bears are by far the worst when it comes to doing that kind of thing Miners are usually all sad and intent on playing the victim maybe with some indignant anger thrown in. Mission bears just totally lose their **** and turn into some kind of terrible hate volcano. To date I have not had a death threat (other then a death threat against my in game character in a very rp angry mail against Noragen which was extreamly well thought out and I would post here if I didn't delete it while clearing out my mail box for #reasons). I have had angry mails calling me every age from 5-12 and claiming to be supported by my parents and living in a subterranean structure. I've been told that I suck at PvP and if I don't reimburse *victim* immediately my whole alliance will be hell camped out of existence because they were a major goonswarm director. Then they will give my name as the reason to the alliance until they remove me from the alliance. Actually I think I have killed every single goonswarm director ALT in the game especially in my time in w-space when we killed null bears attempting to utilize out wormhole as a highway to highsec without paying the toll (a good fight). But a real life death threat is something I'm yet to experience for playing a game and I can milk tears with the best of them when it seems appropriate. I need to kill more mission bears...
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1117
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:13:07 -
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rp mails make me happy, i always send them to people who shoot my mtu's i forget about :)
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2799
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:15:17 -
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If you haven't had a dude formerly in a golem threaten to kill/**** you and/or your family while simultaneously telling you that you are a psychopath and child molester then you are delinquent on your ninja-ing and I suggest you go to osmon, simela or sheroo and get to probing. |
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1358
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:15:52 -
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I love RP when it's done right/fun. Needs just that right mix of your character and game facts without going too silly. Like Tisi from CODE. who I love to argue/support depending on their current relations with my current alliance
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1358
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Posted - 2015.07.20 13:17:29 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:If you haven't had a dude formerly in a golem threaten to kill/**** you and/or your family while simultaneously telling you that you are a psychopath and child molester then you are delinquent on your ninja-ing and I suggest you go to osmon, simela or sheroo and get to probing. Well the Apanake hub constellation is a regular hunting ground of mine. So is Lanngisi. I don't make it up to Osmon enough I will have to try it out
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Desk Averti
Averti Corporation
0
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Posted - 2015.07.20 16:51:06 -
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Thats a lot of opinions....
Mine is that high sec gankers currently have it too easy.
There is no effective downside to their activity: losing a cheap ship is no great pain, and no pain at all if reimbursed, as practised by CODE; and low sec status is no great penalty if one has an alt for other activities.
The high sec ganker can currently sit in a high sec station and be brought out to kill a target scouted out by a high sec status alt, then left to be concorded. Its all too easy, and annoyingly far many eve players find this amusing.
Most things in Eve are difficult and its players mostly like it this way. Some of the many suggestions in this thread would make ganking a bit more difficult, such that gankers actually had to work the 'gf' they seem to think they deserve. Eve would be better for it.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1358
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Posted - 2015.07.20 17:08:01 -
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Desk Averti wrote:Thats a lot of opinions....
Mine is that high sec gankers currently have it too easy.
There is no effective downside to their activity: losing a cheap ship is no great pain, and no pain at all if reimbursed, as practised by CODE; and low sec status is no great penalty if one has an alt for other activities.
The high sec ganker can currently sit in a high sec station and be brought out to kill a target scouted out by a high sec status alt, then left to be concorded. Its all too easy, and annoyingly far many eve players find this amusing.
Most things in Eve are difficult and its players mostly like it this way. Some of the many suggestions in this thread would make ganking a bit more difficult, such that gankers actually had to work the 'gf' they seem to think they deserve. Eve would be better for it.
It takes far less people to prevent a gank then to commit a gank. Just saying. Also it takes equally cheap ships. Cheaper even. I'm unsure why the ag community struggle so much
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1233
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Posted - 2015.07.20 17:09:19 -
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Desk Averti wrote:Thats a lot of opinions....
Mine is that high sec gankers currently have it too easy.
There is no effective downside to their activity: losing a cheap ship is no great pain, and no pain at all if reimbursed, as practised by CODE; and low sec status is no great penalty if one has an alt for other activities.
The high sec ganker can currently sit in a high sec station and be brought out to kill a target scouted out by a high sec status alt, then left to be concorded. Its all too easy, and annoyingly far many eve players find this amusing.
Most things in Eve are difficult and its players mostly like it this way. Some of the many suggestions in this thread would make ganking a bit more difficult, such that gankers actually had to work the 'gf' they seem to think they deserve. Eve would be better for it.
I'll agree that it's easy. It's just math. Concord response time, assumed tank (from ship scan) then figure the dps needed based on the time and tank.
Execution does take a bit of work. We use it for team building. It's a nice day trip, guys get to feel good about being bad. There are quite a few benefits for us. We only do it for one afternoon once in a great while. It's a nice change of pace.
If you're just rolling around in thrashers or cats wonking noobs in barges, then you can take out the math, the scanning and the teamwork. It's just lowskill meh gameplay. I don't care how much role play you spin it with.
I don't recommend harsher punnishment for gankers, I would recommend ccp put a new concord ship in each HS belt. The asteroid sentinel. Make it a quick locking cruiser that can easily handle up to 2 destroyers and prevent noob ganking right at the source - the asteroid belt. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1358
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Posted - 2015.07.20 17:14:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote: I don't recommend harsher punnishment for gankers, I would recommend ccp put a new concord ship in each HS belt. The asteroid sentinel. Make it a quick locking cruiser that can easily handle up to 2 destroyers and prevent noob ganking right at the source - the asteroid belt.
I don't reccomend harsher penalties but I would recommend harsher penalties
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Daerrol
Krieger Industries Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
191
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Posted - 2015.07.20 17:14:04 -
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can we stop the "Highsec is less safe than Null" bullcrap? Please? Just because Jita-Perimeter gate is more dangerous to badly fit haulers than backwater Venal does not make this true. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1233
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Posted - 2015.07.20 17:19:28 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: I don't recommend harsher punnishment for gankers, I would recommend ccp put a new concord ship in each HS belt. The asteroid sentinel. Make it a quick locking cruiser that can easily handle up to 2 destroyers and prevent noob ganking right at the source - the asteroid belt.
I don't reccomend harsher penalties but I would recommend harsher penalties
Your point is valid. My point is make it harsher for noob wonkin barge belt bonkers but leave it alone for folks like me who gank expensive mission cream puffs. It will get to the root of this ganking problem and leave the glorious part alone. |
Freya Sertan
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
577
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Posted - 2015.07.20 17:37:38 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: I don't recommend harsher punnishment for gankers, I would recommend ccp put a new concord ship in each HS belt. The asteroid sentinel. Make it a quick locking cruiser that can easily handle up to 2 destroyers and prevent noob ganking right at the source - the asteroid belt.
I don't reccomend harsher penalties but I would recommend harsher penalties Your point is valid. My point is make it harsher for noob wonkin barge belt bonkers but leave it alone for folks like me who gank expensive mission cream puffs. It will get to the root of this ganking problem and leave the glorious part alone.
This assumes ganking is a problem, which CCP has said is not. So, there is no "problem" to solve.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1236
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Posted - 2015.07.20 18:25:53 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: I don't recommend harsher punnishment for gankers, I would recommend ccp put a new concord ship in each HS belt. The asteroid sentinel. Make it a quick locking cruiser that can easily handle up to 2 destroyers and prevent noob ganking right at the source - the asteroid belt.
I don't reccomend harsher penalties but I would recommend harsher penalties Your point is valid. My point is make it harsher for noob wonkin barge belt bonkers but leave it alone for folks like me who gank expensive mission cream puffs. It will get to the root of this ganking problem and leave the glorious part alone. This assumes ganking is a problem, which CCP has said is not. So, there is no "problem" to solve.
'CCP has said is not' ASSUMES CCP is always correct. Are you saying CCP is always correct, or are they correct as long as they agree with your point of view?
It's interesting that the folks who claim CCP was is and was wrong for nerfing HS one minute are standing on CCPs unerring claims the next.
Here, I'll just out w/ it. I think it would be super eve funny if CCP fooked with CODE. where CODE. had zero recourse. They would have to feel like the poor miner saps they wonk on day in and day. It would be even more super eve funny if CCP contrived some 'saviour of (fill in blank in creative roleplaying way)' and used that to justify taking a dump on CODE. operations.
It would just be funny. It would also be interesting to see if CODE. would then HTFU and keep going or just dissolve into the history books. I know where I would place my bets. |
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Mag's
the united
19859
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Posted - 2015.07.20 18:35:04 -
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Tears. Not interested per se. But if you're so angry and upset and to give them, then why is this my problem? If your attitude is poor and you start vile name calling, sexual or racial slurs, then damn right I'll laugh at you. The funny thing is, there are often times when the victim is pretty cool about it. I have given ISK along with advice in the past, when having those chats.
Gankers are bullies. Ridiculous statement to make and you really need to grow up.
Ganking is too easy. Being proficient at something, doesn't mean it's too easy. But many will never accept this and will ask: "Just one more nerf and it will be balance." Trouble is, most will never stop asking it.
Tools currently available. There are plenty of tools currently available, to counter gankers. But these may require a little effort and a few friends. You'll find these ideas given freely in many threads like these, by those supposed evil gankers.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24350
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Posted - 2015.07.20 19:23:41 -
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Mag's wrote:Tools currently available. There are plenty of tools currently available, to counter gankers. But these may require a little effort and a few friends. You'll find these ideas given freely in many threads like these, by those supposed evil gankers. Obligatory "but my yield/cargo space", "I should be able to..", "why should I?" comments
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Black Legion.
419
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Posted - 2015.07.20 21:47:02 -
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Wait hold on, so how does this work, the OP comes by drops a deuce of a thread, (only thread or post made it appears) and vanishes leaving us with this abortion of a topic? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13742
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Posted - 2015.07.20 21:48:01 -
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Desk Averti wrote: Mine is that high sec gankers currently have it too easy.
The difficulty of our actions is directly proportional to the amount of effort that carebears put in to play the game.
Afk and autopilot is zero effort, so quite naturally it's relatively easy to kill them.
In a related note, our reward is also directly proportional to the greed of carebears.
Their problems stem from their (in)actions, not ours. Nothing should be nerfed just because you're bad at the game.
Quote: Most things in Eve are difficult and its players mostly like it this way.
Most things in EVE are only difficult as a result of player actions. Without other people, EVE would be very easy indeed. That goes double for highsec.
What you want is for our game to be made harder(when we alone have a playstyle that has mechanical consequences), and yours immensely easier. Without ganking, there is no risk to NPC corps whatsoever.
Highsec is not supposed to be safe. Deal with it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Renegade Heart
Carebear Miners R Us
504
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Posted - 2015.07.20 22:13:53 -
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Baaldor wrote:Wait hold on, so how does this work, the OP comes by drops a deuce of a thread, (only thread or post made it appears) and vanishes leaving us with this abortion of a topic?
I think OP is some kind of master bread roll baker. |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
882
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Posted - 2015.07.20 23:02:57 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
So you don't believe in watching how the enemy operates before jumping in, and in any case kills are only denoting that you shot something, yesterday I saved a freighter from Globby and I was FC'ing the fleet that saved it, did not get a kill then either....
You've already jumped in.
I am more of the player who does indeed 'jumps in'; to me it's just more fun that way. Yes, I die a lot, but it's fun deaths.
Dracvlad wrote: Miners have the ability to jump into a Skiff that can be tanked so well that they will not be bothered unless they are someone that the gankers really want to kill.
Definitely! They also have a few other strategies that can help as well, most don't bother with it though.
Dracvlad wrote: I played a PBM game called the Hunting in the 80's, was a brutal game and there is a tragedy around it, you know nothing ...
Before my time, but sounds like an interesting game. What was it about?
Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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John E Normus
The Conference Elite CODE.
612
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Posted - 2015.07.20 23:57:26 -
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Starfox, do you even gank anymore?
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
248
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Posted - 2015.07.21 00:27:41 -
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Today I talked to a miner who complained to me that CODE. ganks "the little guy" in Covetors, Retrievers, and Hulks, but barely bothers rich Skiff-piloting multiboxers, who invade Caldari ice belts in locust swarms.
Ganking is too easy, but we don't seem to be ganking miners well enough. |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
902
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Posted - 2015.07.21 02:14:58 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: I don't recommend harsher punnishment for gankers, I would recommend ccp put a new concord ship in each HS belt. The asteroid sentinel. Make it a quick locking cruiser that can easily handle up to 2 destroyers and prevent noob ganking right at the source - the asteroid belt.
I don't reccomend harsher penalties but I would recommend harsher penalties My point is make it harsher for noob wonkin barge belt bonkers They already did.
There are all our dominion
Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24353
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Posted - 2015.07.21 02:38:45 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote: I don't recommend harsher punnishment for gankers, I would recommend ccp put a new concord ship in each HS belt. The asteroid sentinel. Make it a quick locking cruiser that can easily handle up to 2 destroyers and prevent noob ganking right at the source - the asteroid belt.
I don't reccomend harsher penalties but I would recommend harsher penalties My point is make it harsher for noob wonkin barge belt bonkers They already did. That requires thinking and doing something for oneself; some will accept nothing less than CCP wiping their arses for them.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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