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Xantian Xadi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.16 14:58:40 -
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I am a relati on myvely new player with around 8 mill sp. I'm looking to start null sec exploration, but not looking to get into combat sights yet and completly skipping data sights. I have a good knowledge of null sec travel, I find a wormhole from his to, somewhere deep in null and plan a route to take from there typically consisting of 10-15 jumps. I travel this space first in a interceptor looking for high popularity, camps (creating safe spots and tacticals at gates while doing so). That being said my scanning skills are sufficient for the relic sites. I'm working I am working on astronomics to 4 then 5 My drone skills are weak I can't equip any tier 2 drones. I am trying to get hull upgrades to 5 but it kept getting put on the back burner for the training of scanning and drone skills. Furthermore I did I remap into intelligence and memory (I have 2 bonus remaps available so planned on going back to a balance after I got cloaking to 4 for co-vert ops cloaking device. Which I just finished. So I am unable to fit tier 2 armors. That being said, what do you suggest I fit my stratios with to do these relic sights. I'm not looking to fight just survive and get out of dodge if someone shows up. |
Lianara Eventy
W-Systems
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Posted - 2015.07.16 15:28:10 -
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Xantian Xadi wrote:I am a relati on myvely new player with around 8 mill sp. I'm looking to start null sec exploration, but not looking to get into combat sights yet and completly skipping data sights. I have a good knowledge of null sec travel, I find a wormhole from his to, somewhere deep in null and plan a route to take from there typically consisting of 10-15 jumps. I travel this space first in a interceptor looking for high popularity, camps (creating safe spots and tacticals at gates while doing so). That being said my scanning skills are sufficient for the relic sites. I'm working I am working on astronomics to 4 then 5 My drone skills are weak I can't equip any tier 2 drones. I am trying to get hull upgrades to 5 but it kept getting put on the back burner for the training of scanning and drone skills. Furthermore I did I remap into intelligence and memory (I have 2 bonus remaps available so planned on going back to a balance after I got cloaking to 4 for co-vert ops cloaking device. Which I just finished. So I am unable to fit tier 2 armors. That being said, what do you suggest I fit my stratios with to do these relic sights. I'm not looking to fight just survive and get out of dodge if someone shows up.
Forget about stratios, for a while. Mb astero, or t2 scan frig. |
Orlacc
874
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Posted - 2015.07.16 19:17:55 -
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Lianara Eventy wrote:Xantian Xadi wrote:I am a relati on myvely new player with around 8 mill sp. I'm looking to start null sec exploration, but not looking to get into combat sights yet and completly skipping data sights. I have a good knowledge of null sec travel, I find a wormhole from his to, somewhere deep in null and plan a route to take from there typically consisting of 10-15 jumps. I travel this space first in a interceptor looking for high popularity, camps (creating safe spots and tacticals at gates while doing so). That being said my scanning skills are sufficient for the relic sites. I'm working I am working on astronomics to 4 then 5 My drone skills are weak I can't equip any tier 2 drones. I am trying to get hull upgrades to 5 but it kept getting put on the back burner for the training of scanning and drone skills. Furthermore I did I remap into intelligence and memory (I have 2 bonus remaps available so planned on going back to a balance after I got cloaking to 4 for co-vert ops cloaking device. Which I just finished. So I am unable to fit tier 2 armors. That being said, what do you suggest I fit my stratios with to do these relic sights. I'm not looking to fight just survive and get out of dodge if someone shows up. Forget about stratios, for a while. Mb astero, or t2 scan frig.
Good advice.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Hipqo
Project AIice Whatever.
138
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Posted - 2015.07.16 19:23:41 -
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Like Lianara said, forget Stratios. If you cant fit t2 armor modules and t2 drones, theres no point in getting an expensive ship like that, because it will suck and you will loose is very fast :) If all you wanna do are relic sites, go for a Covert Ops Frig, or an astero if you wanna waste money, your call.
A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
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GordonO
Caldari Provisions
139
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Posted - 2015.07.16 19:47:41 -
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Use an astero.
... What next ??
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
748
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:03:10 -
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A relic analyser.
Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
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Tyler Startide
Furor Teutonicus Lux Aetherna
5
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Posted - 2015.07.17 13:54:53 -
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If you never did any exploration you might start with some simple, cheap T1 exploration frigates. Even an astero isn't that cheap for your first exploration trip. (Except you're really rich and you don't care).
Also I'm not sure about your interceptor scouting. If you've got 2 accounts - okay. Otherwise this costs so much time that it probably isn't even worth it. Especially if you're flying T1 exploration ships. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
929
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Posted - 2015.07.17 15:31:19 -
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There is simply no point in Stratios if you are not going to do combat explo. CovOps will do non-combat simply better while also being cheaper. What if the reason you picked Stratios specifically? |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
351
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Posted - 2015.07.19 23:07:17 -
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elitatwo wrote:A relic analyser. I think this was meant as a joke, but a T2 relic analyzer is very much worth it. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
351
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Posted - 2015.07.19 23:10:49 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:There is simply no point in Stratios if you are not going to do combat explo. CovOps will do non-combat simply better while also being cheaper. What if the reason you picked Stratios specifically? I agree that an Astero is a better fit for what the OP described, but the advantage of an exploration Stratios is that you can do ghost and cache sites much more easily.
Then with the addition of faction sentry drones you can start doing lower level DED sites. |
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Orlacc
882
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Posted - 2015.07.20 01:09:22 -
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He has 8m SP. Not ready for an expensive ship like Strat.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
52
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Posted - 2015.07.20 12:54:19 -
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use a Covert ops frig or the astero.... the Stratios is more of a hunter killer....
also if/when you get caught you wont lose so much isks... |
Adrindo Arandai
Fallen Reich Two Inch Terror
0
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Posted - 2015.08.20 20:56:28 -
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astero is probably gonna be easier for a low skilled pilot. cheaper too and still works well on those relic sites. its smaller and easier to get outta trouble too if someone finds ya (faster to align and warp out) not to mention the smaller sig radious of a frigate gives you a little extra time to get out if someone pops in on you. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
557
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Posted - 2015.08.20 22:05:53 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:There is simply no point in Stratios if you are not going to do combat explo. CovOps will do non-combat simply better while also being cheaper. What if the reason you picked Stratios specifically?
Likely because others may have directed him to getting one, simply for sake of "It's good for exploration." More specifically, as others have pointed out, the Statios is more for the combat side of exploration.
The Astero would have been a better pick, if your heart is set on an SoE ship. Realistically, to run data and relic sites, nothing beats the Magnet/Heron/Imicus/Probe T1 ships in terms of affordability, bonuses perfectly suited for that line of work, and easy of access. Later, upgrading to the CovOps frigs present more powerful and some newer bonuses to the hulls, better fitting options, and more survivability.
Later on, a Statios can be a formidable upgrade, but not to start with or unless you intend to run combat sites as well. I would also advise you to check out JonnyPew's youtube channel to get some helpful tips on things related to exploration, he's been doing that line of work for several years now and knows well how to go about running them fast, efficiently, and safely, both in and out of high sec.
https://www.youtube.com/user/JonnyPew
Btw, CCP, your spell check sucks donky ****. No offense intended, but it doesn't even know that survivability is a real word.
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"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Fenris Mars
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.08.22 21:55:42 -
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How high do you need to train the Pinpointing skills to get good results? Can a low level at 3 find things? |
Triakis Cadelanne
La Fine Equipe
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Posted - 2015.08.23 00:42:22 -
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Fenris Mars wrote:How high do you need to train the Pinpointing skills to get good results? Can a low level at 3 find things?
Yes, if you're using a bonsued ship.
To the OP : as everybody said don't use the Stratios. Stratios is set up for long exploration run, especially in wormholes. It's a jack of all trades, able to run exploration site or act as a dedicated combat ship refitted with a mobile depot. That's the point of the ship.
If you're just going to probe down relic sites in null, just get a classic Covert Ops and make money. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.24 02:40:04 -
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Fenris Mars wrote:How high do you need to train the Pinpointing skills to get good results? Can a low level at 3 find things? Having spent the time to train an alt to perfect scanning skills I found it is definitely an example of diminishing returns. For an explorer I'd suggest Astrometrics 4 Rangefinding 3 Pinpointing 3 Acquisition 3
Be sure to use sisters probes, and possible launcher.
Later train Astrometrics 5 for the T2 scanners so you can dump the sisters launcher
Rangefinding 4 to finish off scanning skills
Keep in mind you can use scanning rigs and implants.
Eveeye.com has an excellent tool you can use to determine your scan strength. It is under 'calculators' in the top right of the tool bar. |
Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
10
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Posted - 2015.08.24 03:04:30 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote: Astrometrics 4 Rangefinding 3 Pinpointing 3 Acquisition 3
Be sure to use sisters probes, and possible launcher.
Overkill. I have those skills with frigate III and my imicus can efficiently probe down anything that isn't a standard or superior sleeper cache. I found my first wh relics with 3/2/2 and using a rangefinding mod on my imicus. The amount of skillpoints players absolutely need to explore is grossly over-estimated. If you can get around 80 probe strength, you'll be fine.
The biggest learning curve in exploration is figuring out how to efficiently move your probes and avoid being killed while hacking. |
Rengor Elongur
30plus Fidelas Constans
7
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Posted - 2015.08.24 11:49:34 -
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I think pinpointing to 4 helps a lot
Its the ability to "double zoom" on most Sites. Skipping one step to get to a close answer helps to speed your scanning on the long run. Its the difference between 6 or 3 scans to nail a site down...
Zihao wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote: Astrometrics 4 Rangefinding 3 Pinpointing 3 Acquisition 3
Be sure to use sisters probes, and possible launcher.
Overkill. I have those skills with frigate III and my imicus can efficiently probe down anything that isn't a standard or superior sleeper cache. I found my first wh relics with 3/2/2 and using a rangefinding mod on my imicus. The amount of skillpoints players absolutely need to explore wormholes and nullsec is grossly over-estimated. If you can get around 80 probe strength, you'll be fine. The biggest learning curve in exploration is figuring out how to efficiently move your probes and avoid being killed while hacking.
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Fenris Mars
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.08.24 12:43:47 -
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Is there a career agent for exploration? |
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1340
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Posted - 2015.08.24 12:54:31 -
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There is indeed. |
Fenris Mars
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.08.24 13:06:44 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:There is indeed. thanks! i will try doing that today. exploration sounds like it is fun. i can fly a lowbie ship, just need to get the other scanning skills up now. i watched some videos and putting probes out in the right formation seems tricky.
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Rengor Elongur
30plus Fidelas Constans
8
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Posted - 2015.08.24 14:14:37 -
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Fenris Mars wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:There is indeed. thanks! i will try doing that today. exploration sounds like it is fun. i can fly a lowbie ship, just need to get the other scanning skills up now. i watched some videos and putting probes out in the right formation seems tricky.
Not anymore... You only have 2 "real" settings... "Pinpoint" and "Area scan"...
Out of those you only use pinpoint. There is one reason to touch these layouts... If you hit a sleeper cache (In that case you have to zoom in by moving your drones clother together instead of the usual scan range zoom)
Besides that... Just load 16 Probes (for Auto reload, and downtime security (Only way to loose probes)) and try your luck...
And please be nice... Also do those damned data sites to clean them up! |
Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:06:16 -
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Rengor Elongur wrote: Its the ability to "double zoom" on most Sites. Skipping one step to get to a close answer helps to speed your scanning on the long run. Its the difference between 6 or 3 scans to nail a site down...
I don't know the specifics of pinpointing as a mechanic, but I will say that I have never needed 6 scans to get a warpable hit, even with my old skills. 5 would be worst-case, assuming you don't get a good hit within 4au of a celestial. 3 is the average for me now, 4 was average with my skills bare basic. It's also worth a mention that the SOE ships have a baseline signal bonus much better than my frigate III.
Obviously faster and more efficient scan times helps, but in the context of minimum skills required to participate in exploration outside of empire space it isn't necessary. Locating just one null relic is a goldmine for a new player, not being able to locate as many as possible per hour is a problem they can solve later on. Better they get a head-start when they can first locate the sites at all than wait until they can be efficient at it. |
Fenris Mars
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.08.24 23:02:56 -
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Is there a Overview that's easier to explore with? Seeing "ALL" is pretty cluttered. And I looked at the Stratios ship, it shows bonuses for lasers, but a lot of the builds I searched seem to use auto-cannons instead? Something I'm running into learning the game, I train a certain gun skill and then people put different ones and I wonder if I just wasted time training skills. |
Xan Pendragon
Transcendere
4
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Posted - 2015.08.28 13:45:24 -
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Astero would be a good choice. With the right skills in can do low level combat sites with ease. Can do 4/10 Guristas with little trouble, except drone aggro. A stratios can do 5/10 but be much better to go with an Ishtar or, with fewer skill points, a Gila. And for relic and data sites, practice in a T1 then either an Astero or a covert ops frigate. |
Vendraen
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
9
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Posted - 2015.08.28 15:41:18 -
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Xan Pendragon wrote:Astero would be a good choice. With the right skills in can do low level combat sites with ease. Can do 4/10 Guristas with little trouble, except drone aggro. A stratios can do 5/10 but be much better to go with an Ishtar or, with fewer skill points, a Gila. And for relic and data sites, practice in a T1 then either an Astero or a covert ops frigate.
How in the world can Astero do combat sites? O_O
I've never even seen a fit that has any weapons at all.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1355
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Posted - 2015.08.28 16:23:00 -
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Vendraen wrote:Xan Pendragon wrote:Astero would be a good choice. With the right skills in can do low level combat sites with ease. Can do 4/10 Guristas with little trouble, except drone aggro. A stratios can do 5/10 but be much better to go with an Ishtar or, with fewer skill points, a Gila. And for relic and data sites, practice in a T1 then either an Astero or a covert ops frigate. How in the world can Astero do combat sites? O_O I've never even seen a fit that has any weapons at all.
It has drones |
Vendraen
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
9
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Posted - 2015.08.28 16:29:24 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:
It has drones
True - only enough bandwidth for 2 Mediums though (or 5 small).
Not a lot of punch there.
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Xan Pendragon
Transcendere
4
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Posted - 2015.08.29 23:24:06 -
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Vendraen wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:
It has drones
True - only enough bandwidth for 2 Mediums though (or 5 small). Not a lot of punch there.
117 dps with 5 Hob II. Enough, if slow. |
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