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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp Chao3 Alliance
269
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:19:33 -
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I only have found one source referencing this... is this true? is there is a thread somewhere about this?
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
994
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:24:19 -
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I like this! If people live in their space, they'll certainly notice when there's unknown towers around that shouldn't be there, won't they?
CCHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp Chao3 Alliance
269
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:26:59 -
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Angelica Dreamstar wrote:I like this! If people live in their space, they'll certainly notice when there's unknown towers around that shouldn't be there, won't they? yes, that would be an awesome change if this is true. now that activity is more focused with the new entosis sov, it make sense to remove these notifications, and let the players living in the space they own do their patrols....
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
202
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:22:28 -
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Agreed. Newbros can be set to scout POS's.
Been around since the beginning.
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Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
1278
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:39:28 -
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Troll towers here I come. |
Panthe3 Black
The Branded Few Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2015.07.17 04:13:27 -
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just a test please ignore |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2311
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Posted - 2015.07.17 04:29:40 -
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Probably a bug however this was a change I suggested once that really needs to be in the game. Oddly I was ridiculed for it. It needs to be in game to allow footholds to be established on in Sov space that isn't being used so that smaller entities are able to colonise and grow.
A true sandbox has minimal server limitations. The server needs to provide essential operations while leaving everything else non essential (such as scouting) to players. The server in a sandbox game should not take over player responsibilities unless those responsibilities would become cumbersome and cause playability to suffer. Scouting your home systems for unauthorised structures does not fit into that catagory.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1323
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Posted - 2015.07.17 05:23:57 -
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It's a good start...
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
928
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Posted - 2015.07.17 05:32:13 -
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It makes sense, but I still would like to express my concerns about stealth changes (if that was intended in the first place). |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
217
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Posted - 2015.07.17 06:46:58 -
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I'm not so sure if this really is a good change though. Counting towers in a system every day is not difficult, it's not an accomplishment of any sort. It's just one more really annoying unpaid day-job Sov owners will have to do. Eve should be entertainment, not work. |
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Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2015.07.17 07:14:06 -
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Neuntausend wrote:I'm not so sure if this really is a good change though. Counting towers in a system every day is not difficult, it's not an accomplishment of any sort. It's just one more really annoying unpaid day-job Sov owners will have to do. Eve should be entertainment, not work.
Why would they have to count towers. If the towers are empty and unused, they pose no threat. If they are not, people will shurely notice when the owers hang out in them. |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
218
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Posted - 2015.07.17 07:22:14 -
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But then, the owners are already hanging out in them, which is a bit late. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2312
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Posted - 2015.07.17 07:32:33 -
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Neuntausend wrote:But then, the owners are already hanging out in them, which is a bit late. People to shoot at is not a bad thing
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6378
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Posted - 2015.07.17 07:40:12 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Neuntausend wrote:But then, the owners are already hanging out in them, which is a bit late. People to shoot at is not a bad thing No, but structures with millions of HP to shoot at are.
Seems like a pointless change. Will only add the need for people to do a repetitive task daily or anchor small towers on every moon to block them off, adding clutter. Kinda backwards considering the goal is to encourage people to fight each other for control not endlessly fight structures.
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
767
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Posted - 2015.07.17 08:06:42 -
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Car alarms are stupid. You should have your kids check on it every hour. |
Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2015.07.17 08:26:24 -
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Yarda Black wrote:Car alarms are stupid. You should have your kids check on it every hour.
Car alarms prevent people from removing cars. In this case they are not removing anything, they are adding. |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
219
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Posted - 2015.07.17 08:32:52 -
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You are right. It's much better when people poop into your car.
What's the benefit to holding Sov again? |
Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2015.07.17 08:36:52 -
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You can't poop in a POS, what's with all these straw man comparisons?! |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
219
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Posted - 2015.07.17 09:28:34 -
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I just like to play the real-life comparison game. It's stupid, but fun. Besides - Random people putting a POS into my home system is pretty much like pooping on the backseat of my car - something I really do not want to happen.
Bottom line is: Neutrals (or enemies) putting up structures in the space one supposedly owns is something, space owners consider to be a bad thing. The supposed system owners not even being notified, when some random dude puts down a tower is another one of those things where it really doesn't seem to matter if people hold sov or not, begging the question: Why bother?
Do we even need a sov system anymore? |
Rat Scout
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2015.07.17 09:59:09 -
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Patrol your system if you don't want people coming in there. |
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1227
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Posted - 2015.07.17 09:59:45 -
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Neuntausend wrote:I'm not so sure if this really is a good change though. Counting towers in a system every day is not difficult, it's not an accomplishment of any sort. It's just one more really annoying unpaid day-job Sov owners will have to do. Eve should be entertainment, not work.
so you need a tool who does the job for you? tzz
YouTube
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Anthar Thebess
1231
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:08:00 -
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This is very, very , VERY nice feature!
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
219
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:18:18 -
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Harry Forever wrote:so you need a tool who does the job for you? tzz
Hello Harry. Unlike social interaction, having to count sticks every day is not a good thing. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
928
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:18:21 -
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Harry Forever wrote:so you need a tool who does the job for you? tzz Pretty sure it was you arguing for replacement of human factor with automation wherever possible. And some kind of tool in particular |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
219
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:20:15 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Harry Forever wrote:so you need a tool who does the job for you? tzz Pretty sure it was you arguing for replacement of human factor with automation wherever possible
He's being sarcastic. He apparently puts the need to talk to people in order to form a fleet at one level with having to do a repetetive and stupid task over and over and over again. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
337
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:35:14 -
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IMHO placing a game changer like this into the game off the radar violates communication ccp promised to their customers.
if its not in patch notes upon release then it is a problem, not a new feature.
ccp you need to officially comment on this and fozzie needs to speak up and stop hiding.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6380
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:36:39 -
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Rat Scout wrote:Patrol your system if you don't want people coming in there. You realise EVE is a game right? Designed for entertainment. There's nothing entertaining about flying around looking for towers, which is why if this change is here to stay, most people will just anchor small towers and be notified when they get attacked.
The real question is how will it work in the new POS system when you can put up a POS anywhere you want. Seems to me there's becoming less point in holding the actual named sov on a system, since you can effectively own it without that.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2272
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:41:01 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:You realise EVE is a game right? Designed for entertainment. There's nothing entertaining about flying around looking for towers, which is why if this change is here to stay, most people will just anchor small towers and be notified when they get attacked.
The real question is how will it work in the new POS system when you can put up a POS anywhere you want. Seems to me there's becoming less point in holding the actual named sov on a system, since you can effectively own it without that. You also stop needing a tower on every moon with the new structures system, since you can't block them from placing a structure anyway. So structures will only exist from true need/use, which will make it a lot easier to simply deep scan them, since you don't have to count the 47 towers already in system, just the 5 mining platforms, 1 refining platform and 1 citadel that your alliance deployed.
The new structures are also probably going to be beacons to keep with the current theme of 'You can warp to a POS without probes' though it would be nice if you had to at least deep scan them first and they put a limit on them of deep scan range from a permanent orbital, so you have to bother looking rather than simply overview as soon as you enter system. Or maybe some kind of alternate anomaly scanner where you open it up, but basically something you open and press scan on, rather than instant beacon would be the perfect world. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
1003
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:43:21 -
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Neuntausend wrote:I'm not so sure if this really is a good change though. Counting towers in a system every day is not difficult, it's not an accomplishment of any sort. It's just one more really annoying unpaid day-job Sov owners will have to do. Eve should be entertainment, not work. Sov is not entertainment and EVE as a whole isn't entertnment either when you try to play beyond what John Doe does. Running a proper corp or alliance definitely isn't entertainment either. EVE is hard, fulfilling work for those who see beyond the shallowness of fun and the stupidity it attracts.
So no, you're pretty much wrong with lots of evidence against you.
"Even if I am the best battleship pilot ever to have played eve and funded by the richest alliance how long will it take before I can fly one from 0sp? Months? Years?" - Eleygen I'cey, instant gratification addict and proud of not making any sense.
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Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
1003
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:45:57 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Rat Scout wrote:Patrol your system if you don't want people coming in there. You realise EVE is a game right? Designed for entertainment. There's nothing entertaining about flying around looking for towers, which is why if this change is here to stay, most people will just anchor small towers and be notified when they get attacked. The real question is how will it work in the new POS system when you can put up a POS anywhere you want. Seems to me there's becoming less point in holding the actual named sov on a system, since you can effectively own it without that. No, EVE is not designed for entertainment. See post above. If itmwas, it eouldn't be what it is. You just parrot the nonsense of instant gratification idiots.
Ask your corp and alliance leaders how much fun all the necessary work is to keep things running. FUN is for peasants with no higher goals. You peasant.
"Even if I am the best battleship pilot ever to have played eve and funded by the richest alliance how long will it take before I can fly one from 0sp? Months? Years?" - Eleygen I'cey, instant gratification addict and proud of not making any sense.
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