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Tase Ahashion
TLC Thunder and Lightning Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:55:01 -
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Hello,
You folks have a group of individuals in game that refer to something they call "the CODE". Now what these folks like to do is gank mainly industry and mining ships without warning and then proceed to tell you that you were in violation of their code. They then demand 10 million ISK per pilot, per year for them to leave you alone provided that you do not violate another of their rules as they deem suitable to their needs. They come off sounding like religious zealots. Quoting there leaders name that I cant mention in this forum they feel they are completely justified in their harassing behaviour toward other pilots and claim that high sec is entirely their property with out regard to anyone but themselves. Now if they were in low or null sec I could understand their position, but they are not, they operate exclusively in high sec. They claim they are making high sec a better place for everyone in game and I don't believe that. The problem being that they are making high sec just as dangerous as low sec or null sec. The next point is, What is the purpose of concord when these folks do what they please? They don't care if they get blown up which makes them even more dangerous. Thank you for your help.
CCP has given the wrong doers all the power anymore and the peaceful people are given no regard whatsoever. This is what is unacceptable. You must give the peaceful people some regard. It is only fair. The answer you just gave me is a carbon copy of the exact same answer you have given several other people in game. Now while logging in everyday I have noticed that the number of people that log in is steadily declining. How long are you going to sit on your hands and let the bad guys and gals have all the fun and drive out all the good players. Depending on the outcome of this conversation CCP is going to lose even more players due to their unwillingness to help out. Your constant quote of "Due to the sandbox nature of the game" is no longer acceptable nor is it even relavent to the players that literally suffer at the hands of the GANKERS. According to your own rules, which I have read, this behavior is unacceptable, and the offending players will be spoken to and or banned depending on their attitude toward you folks. Just once I would like to see the GM's and CCP abide to their own rules. I have been in this game for many years and there is no other game like it. My friends and I have put up with many changes in game, some good some bad. and yet we stayed. The situation has now become intolerable with the allowance of these ganker gangs, that needs to be addressed. The complacent attitude you and your other GM's have taken is costing CCP revenue. In actual fact, I would like to speak with somebody that is a part of CCP management. Although I doubt that will ever happen. The peaceful players of this game are BEGGING for mercy. There is just too much evil transpiring in game anymore. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE help. My friends and I love this game and really don't want to leave it, but if nothing is done we must leave. I for one come into game to relax, but lately the game is no longer relaxing, it has become extremely taxing on the people. Again I beg you to please help, otherwise we are going to leave. Thank You for hearing me out.
Tase Ahashion
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
519
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Posted - 2015.07.17 00:57:58 -
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IT'S A TRAP! GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN! |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
100
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:13:35 -
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Welcome to EVE. Fly safe, mine in a Skiff.
"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen."(Zitat eines Singles)
"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind."(Zitat von einem, dem es egal ist)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24294
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:24:06 -
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Yeah, this really needed yet another thread, considering that there's already a thread about exactly the same thing on the first page of this subforum.
It's allowed, it's within the rules, deal with it.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
888
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:24:19 -
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Just ordered up some dynamite sushi from the place around the corner. So excited.
There are all our dominion
Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10808
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:28:14 -
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http://i.imgur.com/wvOW8jF.webm
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Damnskippy
Mad Bombers Hashashin Cartel
58
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:50:50 -
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GROUND FLOOR OF ANOTHER GRRR CODE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is crappy analogy but it's all I got.
Fire up your favorite Battlefield or Call of Duty game. Join a multiplayer match. Now, ****, moan, whine, complain and act surprised when someone shoots you in the face.
Now that we have that out of the way, on suicide ganking.
Code has been around for quite a while and they aren't trying to keep themselves secret. These forums are filled with hundreds of post on how to avoid suicide ganking ( which in most cases is trivially easy ). If you're to lazy to search threads, convo a Code member. Once you get past that whole "permit thing", quite a few of those agents will actually tell you how to avoid them.
I don't feel like writing a how-to guide on safely mining or hauling so I'll suggest something else. Fit out a ship, head to Uedama and go shoot some Codies. They're flashy and not well liked so concorde doesn't mind. You might find it more satisfying than shedding tears on the forums. |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
100
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Posted - 2015.07.17 01:53:17 -
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Pleas don't take everything to serious. It's a game. But here is my advice. Almost every question that you have and lot of the problems that you might have are discussed in the forum in the last 12 years. Please take a search first. And when you really can't find it. CONGRATULATION. You have found something that maybe nobody has seen before. Then please let us know, what we have missed. ;-)
"Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen. Aber Frauen wollen keine Frauenversteher. Weil Frauenversteher wissen, was Frauen wollen."(Zitat eines Singles)
"Wirklich coolen Leuten ist es egal, ob sie cool sind."(Zitat von einem, dem es egal ist)
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Sasha Cohenberg
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling CODE.
14
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:24:16 -
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Hi tase. In my opinion, not following the code is a crime. |
Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
412
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:36:45 -
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You should calm down and listen to the words of the Saviour of High Sec! It will not only enlighten you, it also will make you a better EVE Player! Don't be a Goofus!
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412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite CODE.
304
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:41:21 -
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Hi Tase,
Are you coming here to offer me an apology for screaming at me on comms?
A True Champion of High Security Space
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5183
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:44:20 -
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Thank you for calling the CODE. Client Relations and Tear Extraction Department.
All of our Client Relations Officers are busy laughing at other callers at the moment.
Rest assured that your feedback is important to us, and the first available Client Relations Officer will laugh at you shortly.
Please enjoy this hold music while you wait. (Slightly NSFW, mild language) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
P.S. The sandbox nature of the game offers plenty of opportunities for you to seek revenge, through the wardec mechanic or hiring mercenaries if that's your thing.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Paranoid Loyd
6293
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Posted - 2015.07.17 02:47:28 -
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In case anyone was wondering.
Also, Yaar!
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2167
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Posted - 2015.07.17 03:27:57 -
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ouchie. is there a killmail for the webbing alt as well? just curious. this is my dinnertime reading, so I like to get all the facts when I can.
Or... wait for it. wait for it... Let me guess, there is not such a mail because there was no webbing alt, nor a scout that could have said 'oh, hay. there's like over 10 CODE. people in UEDAMA. I wonder what they're doing?'
Must consult my Magic 8 Ball.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24298
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Posted - 2015.07.17 03:53:52 -
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Should have bought a permit, should have fitted bulkheads, should have had some friends for support....OP you got of lightly considering you failed to take common sense steps to protect your ship
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics CODE.
124
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Posted - 2015.07.17 04:09:03 -
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*clears throat*
STAND UP FOR YOURSELF.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Freya Sertan
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
515
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Posted - 2015.07.17 04:16:01 -
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Peace is in the hands of those who can enforce it.
You are not them.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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Super Perforator
New Order Logistics CODE.
68
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Posted - 2015.07.17 04:28:55 -
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Starting to feel like starting a thread about unnecessary and illegal walls of text!
But I found it entertaining once I waded through it. 6/10
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5610165#post5610165
Praise James!
CODE. Diplo
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Asia Leigh
The Conference Elite CODE.
253
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Posted - 2015.07.17 05:19:12 -
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Glorious Tears :D
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
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Kaely Tanniss
Black Hydra Consortium.
438
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Posted - 2015.07.17 05:22:14 -
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Whoa...hey now. Not all of Code. are gankers. Perhaps you need a lesson on what Eve is and what a spaceship combat game is all about. With all due respect, whine somewhere else please. If you can't handle what Eve is, you're playing the wrong game. Don't be angry because others are having fun and you're not. It's a game. Play it
Also..since Code. doesn't do "real PvP" ...come visit me sometime..I'd be happy to prove you wrong
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Domino Vyse
Element Connective
187
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Posted - 2015.07.17 05:32:13 -
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Could I get a tl;dr? |
Orlacc
876
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Posted - 2015.07.17 05:33:03 -
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"The Peaceful Players?" Wrong game I am afraid.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5187
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Posted - 2015.07.17 05:38:43 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:ouchie. is there a killmail for the webbing alt as well? just curious. this is my dinnertime reading, so I like to get all the facts when I can. Or... wait for it. wait for it... Let me guess, there is not such a mail because there was no webbing alt, nor a scout that could have said 'oh, hay. there's like over 10 CODE. people in UEDAMA. I wonder what they're doing?' Must consult my Magic 8 Ball.
Exactly.
I exercise more care taking a ship into Uedama than I do taking a ship into Olletiers (lowsec system that's on the shortest safe Jita to Dodixie route). And I do that despite me and my alts being blue to the main ganking alliance.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Tolui Azaph
Tiny Maids Provisional Unit
0
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Posted - 2015.07.17 06:03:59 -
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What people like you fail to realize is that your actions can be just as offensive to others as what the gankers did to you. As a hauler, I find it infuriating that you fly a fail-fit freighter with no support ships of any kind through the most dangerous system in the game during peak ganking hours and still have the audacity to call yourself a victim of unfair behaviour. Friend, you made every single mistake and you deserved to lose your ship. Removing risk from hauling would also remove the reward, meaning that people who actually take their time to learn the game and act accordingly by taking the appropriate precautions would have to lose any benefit for doing so and make as much ISK as the incompetent, lazy "pilots" who don't even bother to be at the keyboard. Therefore, you see, getting rid of highsec piracy would negatively impact the good haulers. The profession is already a mess. Years of practical highsec safety and relative ease of access made it so courier contracts have appallingly low ISK/hour ratio, especially considering the ridiculous investments required, even for groups like red frog. What we need is more ganks, not less. Those who can't keep up will be forced to leave the trade to those able to adapt. With increased risks and reduced competition, prices will rise. Make no mistake. Those who act to slow this progress don't just fight for their own safety. You do so at the cost of other people's gaming experience. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1336
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Posted - 2015.07.17 06:40:41 -
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Calm down citizen! Can I have your stuff, you don't need it anymore if you quit?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1338
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Posted - 2015.07.17 06:52:30 -
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Domino Vyse wrote:Could I get a tl;dr? His Freighter was killed pobably because he was not willing to protect his assets. Now he is crying for CCP to change the game so he can continue to not playing it. The usual you know
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
876
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Posted - 2015.07.17 06:52:48 -
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Tase Ahashion wrote:Hello, You folks have a group of individuals in game that refer to something they call "the CODE". Now what these folks like to do is gank mainly industry and mining ships without warning and then proceed to tell you that you were in violation of their code. They then demand 10 million ISK per pilot, per year for them to leave you alone provided that you do not violate another of their rules as they deem suitable to their needs. They come off sounding like religious zealots. Quoting there leaders name that I cant mention in this forum they feel they are completely justified in their harassing behaviour toward other pilots and claim that high sec is entirely their property with out regard to anyone but themselves. Now if they were in low or null sec I could understand their position, but they are not, they operate exclusively in high sec. They claim they are making high sec a better place for everyone in game and I don't believe that. The problem being that they are making high sec just as dangerous as low sec or null sec. The next point is, What is the purpose of concord when these folks do what they please? They don't care if they get blown up which makes them even more dangerous. Thank you for your help.
Hello Tase.
1. Aggression against players in Highsec is allowed.
2. If you lack a permit and are compliant, you risk ship and/or pod removal. This includes all ships that mine, or use minerals directly or indirectly to operate. Since each ship was built using minerals, each ship falls under the Law of Highsec.
3. His name is James 315 and he is the savior of Highsec. He also owns all of Highsec. #codesov4life
4. Please use more space to separate your paragraphs next time.
5. It is not considered harassment to point and laugh at someone who deserved to lose their ship. This happens all across Eve and numerous third party sites. Look through my lossmails long enough and you'll find something to laugh at. It's happened to us all.
6. There is nothing wrong with creating content and making Highsec less safe. Even if that means conflicting with your style of game-play. This is a sandbox after-all. Welcome to the Sandbox(tm).
7. Concord, often times compared to IRL police, are meant to punish -not protect-. Protection comes from you, the player and your corp, alliance and coalition if you belong to one; but, first and foremost it begins with the player him or herself.
Tase Ahashion wrote:CCP has given the wrong doers all the power anymore and the peaceful people are given no regard whatsoever. This is what is unacceptable. You must give the peaceful people some regard. It is only fair. The answer you just gave me is a carbon copy of the exact same answer you have given several other people in game. Now while logging in everyday I have noticed that the number of people that log in is steadily declining. How long are you going to sit on your hands and let the bad guys and gals have all the fun and drive out all the good players. Depending on the outcome of this conversation CCP is going to lose even more players due to their unwillingness to help out. Your constant quote of "Due to the sandbox nature of the game" is no longer acceptable nor is it even relavent to the players that literally suffer at the hands of the GANKERS. According to your own rules, which I have read, this behavior is unacceptable, and the offending players will be spoken to and or banned depending on their attitude toward you folks. Just once I would like to see the GM's and CCP abide to their own rules. I have been in this game for many years and there is no other game like it. My friends and I have put up with many changes in game, some good some bad. and yet we stayed. The situation has now become intolerable with the allowance of these ganker gangs, that needs to be addressed. The complacent attitude you and your other GM's have taken is costing CCP revenue. In actual fact, I would like to speak with somebody that is a part of CCP management. Although I doubt that will ever happen. The peaceful players of this game are BEGGING for mercy. There is just too much evil transpiring in game anymore. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE help. My friends and I love this game and really don't want to leave it, but if nothing is done we must leave. I for one come into game to relax, but lately the game is no longer relaxing, it has become extremely taxing on the people. Again I beg you to please help, otherwise we are going to leave. Thank You for hearing me out. Tase Ahashion
1. You couldn't be more wrong, it's sad. Over the years CCP has buffed Highsec and nerfed aggression.
2. Do you understand what the term "sandbox" means when used to describe a video-game? I take it you don't and you should look it up.
3. Ganker gangs? I like it.
Real talk: Sit down. It's all your fault. You took a Freighter with no cargo through Uedama with modules that reduced your tank and died because of the mistakes you made. The ability to avoid being ganked is at your fingertips, but you would rather CCP hand you everything and do it for you.
Why did you fit 2 expanded cargohold II's on an empty Freighter? Why didn't you fit Reinforced Bulkheads, or at least Inertia Stabilizers? Why didn't you scout Uedama? Why didn't you bring your corpmates to help move the Freighter seeing as this Freighter was important to you? Why didn't you plan an event with said corpmates? Why didn't a corpmate web the Freighter? Why didn't the corpmates scout?
Do you see where this is going? Mistakes were made because you failed to use the assets you had available to you and now you're demanding CCP intervention.
I hope you bounce back from this, I really do, but this isn't CCP's fault, this is your fault because you didn't check the system on the star-map, scout, fit a tank and so on and now you need to learn this lesson the hard-way. Welcome to Eve.
Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2170
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Posted - 2015.07.17 07:00:20 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:ouchie. is there a killmail for the webbing alt as well? just curious. this is my dinnertime reading, so I like to get all the facts when I can. Or... wait for it. wait for it... Let me guess, there is not such a mail because there was no webbing alt, nor a scout that could have said 'oh, hay. there's like over 10 CODE. people in UEDAMA. I wonder what they're doing?' Must consult my Magic 8 Ball. Exactly. I exercise more care taking a ship into Uedama than I do taking a ship into Olletiers (lowsec system that's on the shortest safe Jita to Dodixie route). And I do that despite me and my alts being blue to the main ganking alliance.
The thing is I do feel a bit of sympathy for the newer player who drives their t1 hauler into lowsec unscouted and gets popped. It's frustrating, but it's also part of the learning curve. It's also happened to me at least once if not two or three times in my career... I can be a slow learner at times. That's fine, it is part of the game and sometimes you lose when you gamble.
Freighter pilots are a different story though. With a freighter you're talking about a sizeable investment of both time and isk to get the thing up and running. Need factors in as well, being that they are only really handy for carrying large quantities of resources, also representing a healthy investment of isk and time usually.
By the time said pilot has this all settled and ready to rock they should have at least bothered to learn how to do the thing they plan on doing. Routes have to be scrutinized and possible hazards need to be assessed. Identify those groups that are likely to try to harm you mid-route and flag them red as a baboon's backside. A suitable escort needs to be arranged for each trip, as these ships are not meant to operate solo. A scout to ensure the way is clear. A webber to expedite warps, reducing the freighter's exposure time in any given system. While not necessary, it's also a very good idea to have a friendly logistics ship or two riding shotgun as well to provide emergency reps if things DO go wrong...
There are even more safeguards that can be put in place to further reduce explosion enroute, but I'm not going to go into them. The bottom line is that protecting one's investment in these cases is not really that hard, it just takes some teamwork and forethought. People being lazy, stupid, antisocial, or just too cheap to hire an escort are the ones allowing their big shiny loot balloons to be violated with impunity.
And then they come crying here.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Major Triscuits
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.07.17 07:33:40 -
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Your freighter was wrecked a month ago and just now you you're coming to the forums to whine about it?
This air is thick of bait. |
Domino Vyse
Element Connective
187
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Posted - 2015.07.17 08:52:21 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Domino Vyse wrote:Could I get a tl;dr? His Freighter was killed pobably because he was not willing to protect his assets. Now he is crying for CCP to change the game so he can continue to not playing it. The usual you know
Thanks mate. Glad I wasn't forced to read that trash. |
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