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Captain Cean
Holy Cookie
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:26:59 -
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IMHO T3 Destoyer should not be able to enter small Fw Plexes cause theier Firepower and Tank is over the Top compared to other ships of the Class.
for the same Reason are T3 Cruiser/BC Banned from Medium.
And i am realy Annoyed that T3 Destoyer are the only thing you see in FW low-sec at the Moment (i can understand it ,low-cost, high Tank, can enter nearly ever Plex) |
Yngvar ayShorn
Einheit X-6
56
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:29:00 -
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+1 supported!
30 Tage EVE testen! -->> Klick mich <<--
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Valkin Mordirc
1247
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:35:48 -
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I don't even fly in FW and I know that letting the T3D's into a small plex is ********.
+1
#DeleteTheWeak
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2015.07.17 10:55:20 -
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Captain Cean wrote:IMHO T3 Destoyer should not be able to enter small Fw Plexes cause theier Firepower and Tank is over the Top compared to other ships of the Class.
for the same Reason are T3 Cruiser/BC Banned from Medium.
And i am realy Annoyed that T3 Destoyer are the only thing you see in FW low-sec at the Moment (i can understand it ,low-cost, high Tank, can enter nearly ever Plex)
Which T3Ds are you referring to? |
Nyalnara
AdAstra. Beach Club
81
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Posted - 2015.07.17 11:17:29 -
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Well, all of them.
In case of ponies, keep calm and start running.
French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2015.07.17 11:19:28 -
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Nyalnara wrote:Well, all of them.
Na, only the Svipul should be banned from small plexes and the rest allowed.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10813
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Posted - 2015.07.17 11:30:06 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Nyalnara wrote:Well, all of them. Na, only the Svipul should be banned from small plexes and the rest allowed. nope, smack them all or none of them.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2272
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Posted - 2015.07.17 11:42:15 -
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Are T2 Destroyers allowed in Small Plex? If so then T3 should, if not then T3 shouldn't. |
Anthar Thebess
1231
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Posted - 2015.07.17 12:44:20 -
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Why? Those are for small ships after all.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Solarus Explorer
The Church of Awesome Heiian Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2015.07.17 13:31:17 -
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-1
T3Ds are just fine in smalls. They get killed easily in mediums, where cruisers with medium neuts abound. |
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
418
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Posted - 2015.07.17 13:41:35 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Are T2 Destroyers allowed in Small Plex? If so then T3 should, if not then T3 shouldn't.
You mean like how t3 cruisers get into medium plexes? Oh wait, they dont.
While its not a huge issue.. i can see for certain people, especially newbros, how it can be discouraging to run from these things. As the t3d would have to be very dumb or poorly fit to die to anything that isnt a t3d.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Valkin Mordirc
1249
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Posted - 2015.07.17 15:56:55 -
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Solarus Explorer wrote:-1
T3Ds are just fine in smalls. They get killed easily in mediums, where cruisers with medium neuts abound.
And they kill everything that is in a small unless the T3D is an idiot.
T3 cruisers are not allowed in mediums yeah?
#DeleteTheWeak
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Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
189
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Posted - 2015.07.17 16:26:54 -
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Captain Cean wrote:IMHO T3 Destoyer should not be able to enter small Fw Plexes cause theier Firepower and Tank is over the Top compared to other ships of the Class.
for the same Reason are T3 Cruiser/BC Banned from Medium.
And i am realy Annoyed that T3 Destoyer are the only thing you see in FW low-sec at the Moment (i can understand it ,low-cost, high Tank, can enter nearly ever Plex)
makes sense to me +1
[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
858
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Posted - 2015.07.17 17:10:47 -
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Captain Cean wrote:IMHO T3 Destoyer should not be able to enter small Fw Plexes cause theier Firepower and Tank is over the Top compared to other ships of the Class.
for the same Reason are T3 Cruiser/BC Banned from Medium.
And i am realy Annoyed that T3 Destoyer are the only thing you see in FW low-sec at the Moment (i can understand it ,low-cost, high Tank, can enter nearly ever Plex)
While I find it hilarious to sit in a small plexes and blap everything that flies in that isn't another T3 Destroyer, it is kind of ridiculous.
+1
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1326
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Posted - 2015.07.17 17:33:43 -
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While I support your idea, they could also just balance T3 Destroyers. If they were closer in power to T2 Destroyers, this would not be such an issue.
Crazy thoughts, I know.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
504
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Posted - 2015.07.17 21:08:31 -
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+1. They could, yes, just fix them as stated, but they don't seem to be in any real hurry to do that. Either direction will work for now.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
206
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Posted - 2015.07.17 22:22:31 -
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+1
T3 cruisers are not allowed in mediums. The T3 destroyers should and must be banned from the smaller plexes as well. |
Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2015.07.18 01:34:04 -
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I agree, these things can punch evenly with cruisers and tear through frigs and even other destroyers. Give them the same treatment as T3's and bump them up.
This will give at least a niche use for AF and other T2 frigs as well, if only until you balance them out with T3Ds
+1 supported |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
583
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Posted - 2015.07.18 03:43:46 -
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I can't believe this **** still hasn't been worked out.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2015.07.18 04:26:47 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:While I support your idea, they could also just balance T3 Destroyers. If they were closer in power to T2 Destroyers, this would not be such an issue.
Crazy thoughts, I know.
They have been BALANCED enough as is, anymore BALANCING really will make them totally redundant.
I'm sure CCP is already aware of this and is getting ready to exile them from small plexes soonish. The whiners just have to keep their pants on a little longer.
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Valkin Mordirc
1250
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Posted - 2015.07.18 05:41:06 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:While I support your idea, they could also just balance T3 Destroyers. If they were closer in power to T2 Destroyers, this would not be such an issue.
Crazy thoughts, I know. They have been BALANCED enough as is, anymore BALANCING really will make them totally redundant. I'm sure CCP is already aware of this and is getting ready to exile them from small plexes soonish. The whiners just have to keep their pants on a little longer.
You wear pants when you play EVE?
Weird.
#DeleteTheWeak
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James Baboli
The.Primary..
1009
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Posted - 2015.07.18 06:10:19 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:While I support your idea, they could also just balance T3 Destroyers. If they were closer in power to T2 Destroyers, this would not be such an issue.
Crazy thoughts, I know. They have been BALANCED enough as is, anymore BALANCING really will make them totally redundant. I'm sure CCP is already aware of this and is getting ready to exile them from small plexes soonish. The whiners just have to keep their pants on a little longer. You wear pants when you play EVE? Weird. Figured out why his t3D isn't as op as the rest. lowslot eaten by pants.
Talking more,
Flying crazier,
And drinking more
Making battleships worth the warp
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2015.07.18 07:00:57 -
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James Baboli wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:While I support your idea, they could also just balance T3 Destroyers. If they were closer in power to T2 Destroyers, this would not be such an issue.
Crazy thoughts, I know. They have been BALANCED enough as is, anymore BALANCING really will make them totally redundant. I'm sure CCP is already aware of this and is getting ready to exile them from small plexes soonish. The whiners just have to keep their pants on a little longer. You wear pants when you play EVE? Weird. Figured out why his t3D isn't as op as the rest. lowslot eaten by pants.
re edited for your eyes only. And for your info I play eve in the nude.
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Catherine Laartii
Crimson Serpent Academy Heiian Conglomerate
561
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Posted - 2015.07.18 07:11:43 -
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Sound reasoning; it's obscene that this hasn't been fixed sooner. +1 |
Angelica Dreamstar
Miner's House of ill repute
1040
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Posted - 2015.07.18 07:41:48 -
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I'm for this. Everything that hinders the worthless isk farmers is a goos thing. These ships are OP as **** anyway.
"People need to realise that saying "someone else will do it" also mean that other someone else might be thinking the exact same thing..."
-- Frostys Virpio, very attentive person, thoughtful, smart responses. Understands self responsibility.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
700
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Posted - 2015.07.18 12:33:47 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:While I support your idea, they could also just balance T3 Destroyers. If they were closer in power to T2 Destroyers, this would not be such an issue.
Crazy thoughts, I know. They have been BALANCED enough as is, anymore BALANCING really will make them totally redundant. I'm sure CCP is already aware of this and is getting ready to exile them from small plexes soonish. The whiners just have to suck it up until then.
They aren't balanced if this is a problem.
You don't fix problems by banning ****. . Especially in this case. Yes we know you ship is OP....so the the only thing we will do is not allow it here. its still unabalanced....nothing is solved.
These plexes are meant to be run by dessies and frigates. The "noob" ships. T3C i can see vaguely the banning. A proper t3c is not a quick train. And the larger size. We start banning t3d....dessies are a lower sp ship ffs. This is what makes up FW...its what it tries to recruit from even Still not fixing underlying issues with the t3d.
how far will this go really. Ban pirate if THE fit is found that it owns, again.
For the years leading up to this when the dessie people whined about lack of a t2 combat dessie i said pulll the bubbles off a dictor and there you go. I was smart enough to train for sabres. You go guns only on these things....lets the good times f'ing roll really. If other races dic's sucked (bulltetcatcher until ccp finally tweaked some things for example....took them friggin years to do so though)...that was a hey pimp my ride request thread to resolve the issue better..
Now we have the t3d....that surpass even pure damage (no bubble dictors). This was a benchmark ccp could have used to reign t3d in day 1.....and chose not too. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
585
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Posted - 2015.07.18 19:05:21 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:While I support your idea, they could also just balance T3 Destroyers. If they were closer in power to T2 Destroyers, this would not be such an issue.
Crazy thoughts, I know. They have been BALANCED enough as is, anymore BALANCING really will make them totally redundant. I'm sure CCP is already aware of this and is getting ready to exile them from small plexes soonish. The whiners just have to suck it up until then.
Mate. Real talk time.
The svipul is the most brokenly OP piece of **** to ever come out of CCP. This one ship made every other dessy and below and half of the cruiser hulls completely irrelevant.
And some of that is due to CCP and their hard on for the 10mn AB being only 55grid while almost literally every single other medium module is 150+.
And the rest of it is due to OP sigradius/speed ratio and generous tank on a hull that doesn't/didn't deserve it.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
284
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Posted - 2015.07.19 02:57:43 -
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Solarus Explorer wrote:-1
T3Ds are just fine in smalls. They get killed easily in mediums, where cruisers with medium neuts abound. Given choice between one ship cant find a place in mediums or smalls and one ship class owns smalls, ill take the former.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Ella Echerie
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.07.19 04:23:24 -
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The meta in small plexes was pretty good before t3 destroyers came along - a place for t2 frigs and dessies to tangle.
+1 |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
702
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Posted - 2015.07.19 14:07:41 -
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Ella Echerie wrote:The meta in small plexes was pretty good before t3 destroyers came along - a place for t2 frigs and dessies to tangle.
+1
psst...the t3 dessie is still dessie.
Why I said where do we stop this ban madness. Lets have for giggles ccp have lots of eve nerds cream themselves as they release....duh duh duh.....t3 frigates.
We'd be back here days after release going ban the t3F.
You got t3 cruisers banned because of size. Logically this flows. This is banning a dessie from dessie combat. And the start of a slippery slope really. Lets see this happen. Then some actually take my advice and run bubbleless dictors. Sabre I know is quite fun in this setup. Will that then be banned?
Its time for faction warfare to to face some realities. Some people will pay more isk for the performance. The want to run trash suicide trasher while old boy/girl wants to splurge on svipul. That's eve. Some aren't scared to cough up isk. Svipul I know why they do it. It tbh is the first ride that small arty truly shines on.
Svipul....was the arty boat minmatar was due for many many years. So not gonna fault people for spamming it. Its worth the cost of admission to actually enjoy any effort put into small arty training. Especially when runner up is a usually tankless (mine had cdfe....not very tank lets be honest), not properly bonuses arty wolf. Arty jag (which has bonuses for arty for the wtf moment) solid third place since it just lacks really in its ability to run them decent. |
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