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Cadridorn
Caldari Knowledge Industries Geological Research Unbrella Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:27:00 -
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wow watched a whole match without a buffer? did alot of people give up watching?
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Orchyre
Minmatar The Kennels
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: Orchyre on 01/12/2006 20:31:26 Buffering every 2-10 seconds
The commentary is fine, maybe people stopped watching when the commentary went on, or that the streaming from the match is fubared. ____ http://eve-tribune.com/ - A weekly fan-run magazine.
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Hyu
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:32:00 -
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Hehe, 10mb/elisa Finland = buffering like mad work con: 100mb/telia Finland = buffering like mad too! :)
Jalipo backend is not good enough for this level broadcasts :(
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Xenny Lee
Minmatar The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:33:00 -
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Ive sorta figured out what it was, and its basically a regional thing where the current supplier sure does a good job to UK players but just isnt streaming to ALOT of other regions..... even with the High quality which I though would be better it was worst. Im canadian and it Blows.
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AshrakTheWhite
Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:35:00 -
[275]
12 meg connection Estonia = buffering like mad new sig i need |
freek
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:36:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Xenny Lee Ive sorta figured out what it was, and its basically a regional thing where the current supplier sure does a good job to UK players but just isnt streaming to ALOT of other regions..... even with the High quality which I though would be better it was worst. Im canadian and it Blows.
Buffering like mad for everyone in the UK too
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Corey Grim
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Xyliana understand your frustration, we will try to do as much as we can from the EVETV end of things and sort things as much as we can.
1. Please please tell us what prevents you to going back the old way ?
2. plz plz plz give us at least damn sound broadcast so we even know who win?
Originally by: Xendie i got a 25mbit line up and down and its stable as a rock and lowping in general to anything except china and eve-tv.
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Yalson
Caldari Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:43:00 -
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Interesting change -- server-side changes? No buffering anymore, the last fight streamed without any problem whatsoever. Keeping my fingers crossed this works out for you after all...
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Kittsy
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:48:00 -
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Some are just getting lucky I think, or more people are giving up... I'm still sitting here listening to them all stutter worse then porky pig, watching the video and sound slowy desynch further and further, and trying to make sense of the slideshow after all my friends talked this up as being the event of the year not to miss <sighs>
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Robert Dobbs
Church Of The Subgenius
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Corey Grim 1. Please please tell us what prevents you to going back the old way ?
Ok, i'll clue you in a little about streaming media technology.
17,000 people watching EVE TV at once. That's 4.25 gigabits/second of bandwidth at the 250k bitrate, or 17 gigabits/second of bandwidth at the 1000k bitrate.
Just to put this into comparison, that is the equivalent of 34,000 standard UK ADSL lines.
Using premium UK bandwidth prices, that equates to ú3.40/second, ú204/minute, ú12,240 per hour.
Maybe you can now see why they can't just "switch" back to their old system..
Any implementation takes a LOT of investment, and a LOT of thought.
It seems that Jalipo aren't prepared enough.
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BillyBong2
Amarr Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:54:00 -
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This reminds me of when WoW rolled out. Blizzard wasn't prepared for the amount of poeple/players they were going to get even after their stress tests leading up to the release.
The last championships were so successful, how could anyone not be prepared for this? Eve has seen constant and sustained growth since then and they know how rabid we are about seeing these tournaments.
Jopia should have been clued in and if they couldn't handle it, denied even trying. _______________________________________________
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:55:00 -
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not prepared is an understatement.
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:57:00 -
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Yeah, the old streaming method would have bankrupted CCP in the long run, but these "Jalipo" idiots seem to be hopeless. I can't watch or listen to the feed.
I'd reccomend putting the Tournament on hold until a decent stream provider can be located.
Also, did the feed just go dead? Getting a blank screen. --- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?...
Former player of Andre Ricard (sold). Currently plays a Sekrit CharacterÖ. |
Ridley Tree
Crimson Knights Trade Federation
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:58:00 -
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I'll be happy merely if CCP seeds a torrent of each day's fight after EVE-TV goes off air each day. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.01 20:58:00 -
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Some people have had success with bumping up their cache for the flash application.
Here's how you do that:
How to bump the cache from 1KB to Unlimited
It's a little late for today, but might help for tomorrow! -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | CCG Card Lookup |
Tar om
Minmatar Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:07:00 -
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Sadly, despite all the effort that has been put into this the results are utterly worthless. I feel sorry for the guys who have worked so hard, and utterly bemused at the decision to change formats. Put it back to what it was for tommorow pls, or you may as well cancel it all. -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
"The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions." |
SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:20:00 -
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So is the video stream officially offline for today? --- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?...
Former player of Andre Ricard (sold). Currently plays a Sekrit CharacterÖ. |
Lonak Silu
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:41:00 -
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Why they did change the format ?
I think it went like this :
<--CCP dude(DrunkMode=off) : Hey, this thing cost us a lot, just to add some more amazing FREE content to our game... <--EveTv doode : Ya...
<--CCP dude(DrunkMode=off) : Lets find a "cheap" solution to get a bit of money back from it... <--EveTv doode : Ya...
20 minutes later...
<--CCP dude(DrunkMode=StillOffNotSureTho) : Hello mister Jalipo, we would like to use you Flash solution to broadcast our tourney for....ehh...last time, they were 5 or 8 thousands of our dearly customers. <--Mister Jalipo : 8000 connections, sure, no probs. <--EveTv doode : keewl...
The day of the broadcast has come, and.....
EveTv doode : They are....17000 <--CCP dude(DrunkMode=OnForSureNow) : <--Mister Jalipo : woops
Nah, seriously guys, chill out, it free, the 250K stream is not THAT bad, and i'm sure that those guys do ALL they can to make it even better.
Have a little patience, open the window, and breaaaath
Good night all, and looking forward for tomorrows matches
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:49:00 -
[289]
youtube the fights and be done with it.
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Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2006.12.01 21:53:00 -
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The way I look at it, they have a week to get this better. Everyone is gonna tune in for the Finals so I hope it's working then.
They need to fix the quality and sound before then or scrap it all together.
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lonak Silu the 250K stream is not THAT bad
Actually it was. There wasn't a single match or commentary segment where I didn't have at least an annoying, important part missing, amount of buffering. Sometimes three to four complete disconnects in a row.
Now, sometimes the old stream was bad too, but then it was a-ok, because since it used a standard transmission method people were able to record and upload it rather quickly, meaning that I was able to go back and view the parts that were garbled.
More importantly I was able to go back and watch what I missed. While this tournament is on "at night" for Iceland, it's early morning and afternoon for USA players, meaning we were at work for today and alseep for part of it tomorrow and Sunday. Since people can't record this flash crap I'm going to completely miss parts of EVE TV. And since they only put matches on the DVDs, I'll totally miss the parts I didn't get to watch. That's way uncool. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | CCG Card Lookup |
Urban Mongral
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Urban Mongral on 01/12/2006 22:33:56
Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Corey Grim 1. Please please tell us what prevents you to going back the old way ?
Ok, i'll clue you in a little about streaming media technology.
17,000 people watching EVE TV at once. That's 4.25 gigabits/second of bandwidth at the 250k bitrate, or 17 gigabits/second of bandwidth at the 1000k bitrate.
Just to put this into comparison, that is the equivalent of 34,000 standard UK ADSL lines.
Using premium UK bandwidth prices, that equates to ú3.40/second, ú204/minute, ú12,240 per hour.
Maybe you can now see why they can't just "switch" back to their old system..
Any implementation takes a LOT of investment, and a LOT of thought.
It seems that Jalipo aren't prepared enough.
While bandwidth is expencive, its not "that" expencive. For a broadcast such as this if you were hiring your own servers, you would expect to pay somthing like $0.40 to $0.60 per Gigabyte. Its expencive but its not that expencive.
**Please don't think for one second that I am critizing the EVETV people currently working on this. I know just how difficult it is to set up one of these events and I think they are doing a fantastic job under very difficult circumstances** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.12.01 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Corey Grim 1. Please please tell us what prevents you to going back the old way ?
Ok, i'll clue you in a little about streaming media technology.
17,000 people watching EVE TV at once. That's 4.25 gigabits/second of bandwidth at the 250k bitrate, or 17 gigabits/second of bandwidth at the 1000k bitrate.
Just to put this into comparison, that is the equivalent of 34,000 standard UK ADSL lines.
Using premium UK bandwidth prices, that equates to ú3.40/second, ú204/minute, ú12,240 per hour.
Maybe you can now see why they can't just "switch" back to their old system..
Any implementation takes a LOT of investment, and a LOT of thought.
It seems that Jalipo aren't prepared enough.
Smart people that stream live video, make use of a little something in the ip stack called multicast. Wikipedia is your friend.
Please read up on how stuff actually works, before you start throwing around huge numbers based on your own imagination.
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Robert Dobbs
Church Of The Subgenius
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 01/12/2006 23:57:32
Originally by: Urban Mongral While bandwidth is expencive, its not "that" expensive.
That is entirely dependant on the quality and the location of the pipe, as i'm sure you're aware. And a very high quality pipe is needed for a 1mbps stream on a large scale. "Renting servers" isn't sufficient in this case, since all server farms / dedicated server providers over-sell their bandwidth to make it much cheaper.
Originally by: Eilene Fernite Please read up on how stuff actually works, before you start throwing around huge numbers based on your own imagination.
Multicast is irrelevant, since 90% of ISP's and routers don't support it. I suggest you read the article you're spamming before you start smacking me about it..
Originally by: Wikipedia IP Multicast is not in general use in the commercial Internet.
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NereSky
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:11:00 -
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well the only good thing to come out so far is that im not the only one who gets to see total unwatchable buffering pausing stuttering commentary, i thought it was only me for a while. question i have if i pay for the service rather than watching the free stream do i get a watchable stream?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: NereSky well the only good thing to come out so far is that im not the only one who gets to see total unwatchable buffering pausing stuttering commentary, i thought it was only me for a while. question i have if i pay for the service rather than watching the free stream do i get a watchable stream?
Today, apparently the pay-per-view was even worse than the free one. Go figure. -----------------------------------------------
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:20:00 -
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So those of us that forked out RL cash to watch our screens tell us they are "buffering" all night, what can we expect?
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Urban Mongral
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.02 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Urban Mongral on 02/12/2006 00:38:47
Originally by: Robert Dobbs Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 01/12/2006 23:57:32
Originally by: Urban Mongral While bandwidth is expencive, its not "that" expensive.
That is entirely dependant on the quality and the location of the pipe, as i'm sure you're aware. And a very high quality pipe is needed for a 1mbps stream on a large scale. "Renting servers" isn't sufficient in this case, since all server farms / dedicated server providers over-sell their bandwidth to make it much cheaper.
Very true, However there are companies who specialise in renting large broadcast servers in "good" locations for just this kind of thing. For example on the first EVETV these were gaurenteed 700 mb/s broadcast servers. By the end of the event we useing a total of 8 of these servers sited in vairous locations around the world.
The price I qouoted was in the correct ballpark for the servers which were used on that event and other simmilar events I have worked on.
I would imagine there was a very simmilar setup for this EVETV, but based on the forum post by 4p's, it seems that Jalipo were let down by one of their suppliers. Its unfortunate when these things happen.
I do agree with you on the multicast issue however. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.12.02 01:06:00 -
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Whats the name of this company CCP has hired??
Becuase im preatty sure alot of the EVE community wanna know so we can tell them dont mess with CCP and its playerbase
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Delezar
Hellfire-Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:15:00 -
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I had severe problems at all, with buffering, losing connection the stream, it was horrible and it was of no use to actually see how the other teams were doing. Sound and and video were never syncronized on my side and I stopped trying after the first half of the tournament where I was only able to see some screenshots of the fights instead of a video.
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